Unbelievable sermon by a Catholic priest

[KS Toronado]

This story was told to me by my Aunt who just spent a week in our local hospital. Her and my Uncle
were visiting relatives in another northwestern Ks town and went to a Saturday night mass there
when tensions were heating up for the 2020 election.

The Priest started by reminding parishioners that in the New Testament Jesus said the old laws
(the Ten Commandments) were replaced by one simple Commandment "Love your neighbor as
yourself" and went on to explain how important love is in this world and how God and Saint Peter
hate those who hate.

Then he talked about all the hate he was hearing from his parishioners about "Those Liberal voters"
and about how wrong it was to hate others because they vote differently.

He ended with reminding everyone that God and Saint Peter hate haters and he doesn't see haters
getting into Heaven because they never obeyed the only New Testament Commandment. Plus the
hate he sees in his community was coming from only one party, republicans.

[mountain grammy]

1. Inspiring. Thanks for sharing.

[canetoad]

2. Isn't it funny

How so-called Christians revert to the violent, bloodthirsty and intolerant ways of the old testament and call themselves 'followers of the bible". Wrong bible, people.

[deRien]

3. I was in

a women's meeting today and one of the women mentioned John Fugelsang's book. I think this is in his new book: they love Jesus but they don't follow his way or something similar to that. We also remembered the old WWJD (what would Jesus do) bracelets that none of them would probably wear now.

[travelingthrulife]

6. I was talking to my MAGA, evangelical christian brother about this.

He said the words attributed to jesus in the new testament don't apply anymore. They have a new covenant. The new agreement is that you say you believe in your heart and then you're good to go. I laughed and said, so you say you believe and then you can lie, steal, hate and harm others.

This is just what we used to refer to as 'cheap grace'. This is why we see so many young women in the Trump administration wearing crucifixion crosses around their necks while they lie their asses off. They can commit as many sins as they want. They are saved. 😜

[irisblue]

9. From the lyrics of One Tin Soldier...

🎶🎵Go ahead and hate your neighbour
Go ahead and cheat a friend
Do it in the name of heaven
Justify it in the end🎶🎵

[canetoad]

16. Blast from the past

I saw Billy Jack at the drive-in in the 70s.

[hibbing]

33. A different one...

Hate your next door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace.

Eve Of Destruction
Song by Barry McGuire ‧ 1965

[1WorldHope]

13. But we wear them now.

Or put bumper stickers on our cars:
Who Would Jesus Deport?

[marble falls]

4. He'll be reassigned soon enough.

[rurallib]

5. yeppers - Wonder if he is in Dolan's diocese

where Charlie Kirk is mistaken for St. Paul?

[ancianita]

10. Not likely. Bishops of Catholic diocese know their priests, and know this priest is truly representing the church's

thought.

The church knows that the word hate in Hebrew means "staying away from,"
AND the church also knows how the modern use of the word "hate" is about completely secular judgmental and emotional enmity, hostility, animosity, antagonism, opposition, feuding, strife, conflict, discord, bitterness, rancor, resentment, ill feeling.

So no, the priest isn't gonna get transferred.

[KS Toronado]

12. My Aunt said he was reassigned soon after that sermon

If the Bishop had any backbone he would have told the parishioners to go to hell since that's where
they was headed anyway. But he was probably just another MAGAt repug.

[pnwmom]

30. The sermon happened 5 years ago, according to the post. nt

[AverageOldGuy]

7. I sense . . .

. . . another church shooting and burning on the horizon.

[BidenRocks]

8. So we agree!

This church ditches the Bible in favor of the Golden Rule.

As an Atheist I live by the golden rule.

That was Easy!

[ancianita]

17. No it doesn't. The Catholic Church's leadership in the Magisterium -- made up of the world's bishops and the pope --

defines itself as "the servants of the Word of God." Nowhere in the Bible are humans called to hate (and especially from Jesus in the New Testament, which is totally about him) in the sense that mistaken right wing Catholics feel it -- theirs is a sin against God and their neighbor. And their priest was telling them that.

The Golden Rule dates back to 2040–1650 BCE first written down in Egypt, and universally practiced at that time.
The Bible's original manuscripts date back to 700 BCE, but its texts claim moral concepts dating back to 4,000 BC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_literalist_chronology

[BidenRocks]

19. That is why I clearly stated

'This church'.

[ancianita]

23. And what I'm telling you is that's a mistake.

No Catholic church "ditches the Bible." None. And not this one.

ALL -- meaning millions across six continents, every single day -- Catholic Churches' Masses words and prayers (except for the Nicene Creed of the first ecumenical council of 325 AD) are entirely from The Bible, and entirely about Jesus, and priests explain what the Gospel reading for that Mass means for those who want to be literate about the oldest text in the West, and how to turn that meaning into action in the churchgoers' daily lives.

[markodochartaigh]

27. At least the Catholic church kept the Book of Sirach which the protestants ditch.

Sirach 13:




1
Touch pitch and you blacken your hand;

associate with scoundrels and you learn their ways.

2
Do not lift a weight too heavy for you,

or associate with anyone wealthier than you.

How can the clay pot go with the metal cauldron?

When they knock together, the pot will be smashed:

3
The rich do wrong and boast of it,

while the poor are wronged and beg forgiveness.

4
As long as the rich can use you they will enslave you,

but when you are down and out they will abandon you.

5
As long as you have anything they will live with you,

but they will drain you dry without remorse.

6
When they need you they will deceive you

and smile at you and raise your hopes;

they will speak kindly to you and say, “What do you need?”

7
They will embarrass you at their dinner parties,

and finally laugh at you.

Afterwards, when they see you, they will pass you by,

and shake their heads at you.

8
Be on guard: do not act too boldly;

do not be like those who lack sense.

9
When the influential draw near, keep your distance;

then they will urge you all the more.

10
Do not draw too close, lest you be rebuffed,

but do not keep too far away lest you be regarded as an enemy.

11
Do not venture to be free with them,

do not trust their many words;

For by prolonged talk they will test you,

and though smiling they will probe you.

12
Mercilessly they will make you a laughingstock,

and will not refrain from injury or chains.

13
Be on your guard and take care

never to accompany lawless people.†

15
Every living thing loves its own kind,

and we all love someone like ourselves.

16
Every living being keeps close to its own kind;

and people associate with their own kind.

17
Is a wolf ever allied with a lamb?

So the sinner with the righteous.a

18
Can there be peace between the hyena and the dog?

Or peace between the rich and the poor?*

19
Wild donkeys of the desert are lion’s prey;

likewise the poor are feeding grounds for the rich.

20
Humility is an abomination to the proud;

and the poor are an abomination to the rich.

21
When the rich stumble they are supported by friends;

when the poor trip they are pushed down by friends.

22
When the rich speak they have many supporters;

though what they say is repugnant, it wins approval.

When the poor speak people say, “Come, come, speak up!”

though they are talking sense, they get no hearing.

23
When the rich speak all are silent,

their wisdom people extol to the clouds.

When the poor speak people say: “Who is that?”

If they stumble, people knock them down.b

[FakeNoose]

11. This priest is telling the truth ... I hope the parishioners were listening

[KS Toronado]

14. Nope, they got him reassigned

[ancianita]

21. I won't believe that until I see a link.

[KS Toronado]

24. There are no links to any articles

just passing on a life event that she witnessed first hand around 5 years ago. This event was the
reason she reevaluated how she looked at politics, her husband has FQX news on daily and I was
sworn to secrecy that she now votes a straight Democratic ticket. Uncle has a bad temper.

[ancianita]

26. I see. Well, thanks for sharing.

It's a nice, positive story, but the transfer thing doesn't sound at all like how the Catholic bishops pastorally deal with "just" one homily from one priest.
Yes, there are priests who travel from one parish to another because it's their job to help the parish priest in case he has to be away to deal with church affairs. But that's it.
She might have mistaken a visiting priest's leaving with a transfer, but if it were, it wouldn't at all have been because of his homily, since complaints by parishioners would not arrive on a bishop's desk unless the complaint fell under the Church's Canon Law.

[soldierant]

32. There are some bishops who are MAGA or MAGA-like.

They are a problem. Some of them have been removed from their sees, but by no means all.IMO they don't belong in the church, they belong on the Blue Army (which could use a new name too.) One of them, in San Francisco, is Cordileone (it's pure coincidence he is two letters away from a mob boss, but it fits.) He's the one who denied Nancy Pelosi communion.

I don't know where the line is, but if they cross it, they should expect to get removed.

[ancianita]

34. Then they sin against the deposit of faith of the Church. That's not what the Church is about.

The very few bishops of this kind should be assigned to read Fugelsang's book ...

[soldierant]

38. I do love John Fugelsang.

Does he mention that his mother was at one time a nun? The first monologue I ever heard from him - and it's been a minute, so I'll have to paraphrase - included that when growing up he didn't know much about Jesus, but had respect for him, as anyone would for their mother's first husband. I was immediately hooked. Yes, they ought to be forced to read it. Or to have someone read it to them and be searched for earplugs while doing so. I would not trust them not to throw it across the room like a common bottle of catsup.

[H2O Man]

15. Recommended.

There are numerous Catholic groups at the grass roots level that are actively opposing the administration's inhumane policies.

[markodochartaigh]

18. Growing up in Amarillo

I was very inspired by our bishop, Bishop Matthiesen. He put out a call for workers of any religion to quit their jobs at the Pantex nuclear plant and said that he would help anyone who quit to find a new job. He won an award for his social justice activities, and after he retired he celebrated a mass for an lgbtq+ Catholic organization even though it was against Pope JP II's wishes.
He was absolutely as progressive as a bishop could be in that time and place, and more so.

[KS Toronado]

22. The Catholic Church could use more men like him.

Of the 4 Priests I have meet locally, everyone is a right-to-lifer and they never vote Liberal.

[markodochartaigh]

25. Well,

like the Pope says, if they are in favor of the death penalty they are not "right to life".

[Skittles]

28. I wish people would behave decently without expecting a reward in the end

[Initech]

29. MAGA are the ones who hate us because we vote differently.

[pnwmom]

31. I believe it. I heard lots of sermons like that when I was growing up. nt

[FakeNoose]

36. Yes I received a Catholic education in the 50's and 60's

As a rule, politics with reference to Democrats and Republicans was almost never discussed in Catholic school. However the nuns and priests (that I knew) all seemed to live by "liberal" philosophy without politics, and they did walk the walk.

I can't remember the subject of abortion EVER being discussed in Catholic schools of the 60's. If any discussion of the Vietnam War ever came up, you knew they were anti-war, period. The one thing I remember vividly is that they all loved John F. Kennedy completely and unreservedly. When he was killed it really affected a lot of nuns and priests in a bad way.

[pnwmom]

37. Yes, I was a 60's and 70's kid, and that sounds like my experience, too.

Anti-war and talking about sharing with the poor.

[patphil]

35. God doesn't hate anything. How could God hate part of his creation?

God is Love. Hate is a result of living a loveless life.
When you're in a state of love, you can't hate.
And when you embrace hate you can't tolerate love.
The other thing he didn't get right is that Jesus gave us 2 commandments to live by:

Matthew 22: 37-40
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”