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lostincalifornia

(4,650 posts)
3. I don't think you need those details. It was a demand for an unconditional surrender of Hamas, and
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 03:27 PM
Monday

release of all remaining hostages.

At least that is how I read it.

Torchlight

(5,788 posts)
2. Even odds they publicly assert acceptance with zero follow-up
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 03:25 PM
Monday

But given that Hamas doesn't recognize the state of Israel though, I'd lean towards them ignoring it altogether.

yellow dahlia

(3,293 posts)
6. No. Bibi is giving himself more license to kill -
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 03:34 PM
Monday

"they can do this the easy way, or they can do this the hard way".

The whole thing is performative. Just another cliff hanger episode in the surreal reality tv show being directed by the grifter.

AloeVera

(3,793 posts)
14. Yup. All for show. They know Satanyahu will scupper it as always.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 06:46 PM
Monday

With his usual trick of inserting a last-minute, outrageous demand or two.

Then they can blame Hamas before obliterating mountains more Palestinians.

Trump is just vain and stupid enough to believe he is in control here.

comradebillyboy

(10,875 posts)
8. Both Trump and Hamas bargain in bad faith.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 03:57 PM
Monday

There will be no agreement. If anything Hamas wants more martyrs. And Trump wants to deflect from Epstein.

chowmama

(904 posts)
9. Does anyone believe that Netanyahu will accept this Plan?
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 03:58 PM
Monday

The idiot in the White House routinely comes up with this shit without consulting any of the parties involved.

Don't forget the recent meeting with Don Jr and Tony Blair, arranging how Trump's new resort would occupy the newly available territory. No one present had any authority to decide any such thing, and no agreement was sought from anybody who did have it.

lostincalifornia

(4,650 posts)
13. Yes he did. and why not. It is for Hamas to unconditionally surrender, and release all hostages.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 05:49 PM
Monday

If Hamas hadn't done October 7th, we wouldn't even be here.

If Hamas had released all the hostages, and surrendered those responsible for October 7, this would have been over two years ago.

Now it is essentially, surrender unconditionally and release all hostages or else.

As far as I read it, there is no more negotiations with hamas. Unconditional surrender.





TommyT139

(1,973 posts)
16. Of course he _said_ he did.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 11:04 PM
Monday

Because Netanyahu gets to continue his vile genocide, starvation of children, murder of doctors, and ethnic cleansing...to stay out of jail and maintain his role at the head of a militarized theocracy. And Trump is happy to help with that, of course.

From the article:

Trump said that if Hamas rejects the proposal, he will continue to support Israel’s war effort.

“If Hamas rejects the deal, which is always possible—they’re the only one left, everyone else has accepted it—but I have a feeling that we’re going to have a positive answer,” Trump said. “If not, as you know, Bibi, you’d have my full backing to do what you would have to do.”

AloeVera

(3,793 posts)
15. Well, apparently Tony Blair has been working closely for months with Jared Kushner.
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 06:54 PM
Monday

In other words, they just followed whatever Bibi told them.

Now watch for Netanyahu, as he has done many times before, to insert a last-minute absurd demand he knows Hamas will reject and then it's bombs away!

sarisataka

(22,027 posts)
12. I was going to ask what plan, but then I realized it doesn't matter
Mon Sep 29, 2025, 05:07 PM
Monday

Unless the plan involves Israel being dissolved, Hamas will not truly accept it.

AloeVera

(3,793 posts)
17. Bitter LOL. Netanyahu has ALREADY scuppered it, as he usually does.
Tue Sep 30, 2025, 01:52 PM
Tuesday

He stated right after the meeting with Trump in which he supposedly "accepted" the proposal, that not only will he "forcefully resist" the creation of a Palestinian state but also the withdrawal of IDF forces from Gaza.

Please someone explain how one can "accept" a plan but then turn around and reject the two elements that he KNOWS are the most important for Hamas to accept the deal?

How do you say "SABOTAGE" in Hebrew?

How do you say performance art? What about BULLSHIT?

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