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AStern

(541 posts)
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 09:00 AM Sep 17

Vanity Fair: Charlie Kirk, Redeemed: A Political Class Finds Its Lost Cause

Before he was killed last week, Charlie Kirk left a helpful compendium of words—ones that would greatly aid those who sought to understand his legacy and import. It is somewhat difficult to match these words with the manner in which Kirk is presently being memorialized in mainstream discourse. New York Times columnist Ezra Klein dubbed Kirk “one of the era’s most effective practitioners of persuasion” and a man who “was practicing politics in exactly the right way.” California governor Gavin Newsom hailed Kirk’s “passion and commitment to debate,” advising us to continue Kirk’s work by engaging “with each other, across ideology, through spirited discourse.” Atlantic writer Sally Jenkins saluted Kirk, claiming he “argued with civility” and asserting that his death was “a significant loss for those who believe engagement can help bridge disagreements.”

The mentions of “debate” and “engagement” are references to Kirk’s campus tours, during which he visited various colleges to take on whoever come may. That this aspect of Kirk’s work would be so attractive to writers and politicians is understandable. There is, after all, a pervasive worry, among the political class, that college students, ensconced in their own bubbles, could use a bit of shock therapy from a man unconcerned with preferred pronouns, trigger warnings, and the humanity of Palestinians. But it also shows how the political class’s obsession with universities blinds it to everything else. And the everything-else of Kirk’s politics amounted to little more than a loathing of those whose mere existence provoked his ire.

It is not just, for instance, that Kirk held disagreeable views—that he was pro-life, that he believed in public executions, or that he rejected the separation of church and state. It’s that Kirk reveled in open bigotry. Indeed, claims of Kirk’s “civility” are tough to square with his penchant for demeaning members of the LGBTQ+ community as “freaks” and referring to trans people with the slur “tranny.” Faced with the prospect of a Kamala Harris presidency, Kirk told his audience that the threat had to be averted because Harris wanted to “kidnap your child via the trans agenda.” Garden-variety transphobia is sadly unremarkable. But Kirk was a master of folding seemingly discordant bigotries into each other, as when he defined “the American way of life” as marriage, home ownership, and child-rearing free of “the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school,” adding that he did not want kids to “have to hear the Muslim call to prayer five times a day.” The American way of life was “Christendom,” Kirk claimed, and Islam—“the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America”—was antithetical to that. Large “dedicated” Islamic areas were “a threat to America,” Kirk asserted, and New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani was a “Mohammedan,” with Kirk supposing that anyone trying to see “Mohammedism take over the West” would love to have New York—a “prior Anglo center”—“under Mohammedan rule.”

Kirk habitually railed against “Black crime,” claiming that “prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people.” He repeated the rape accusations against Yusef Salaam, a member of the exonerated Central Park Five who is now a New York City councilman, calling him a “disgusting pig” who had gotten away with “gang rape.” Whatever distaste Kirk held for Blacks was multiplied when he turned to those from Haiti. Haiti was, by Kirk’s lights, a country “infested with demonic voodoo,” whose migrants were “raping your women and hunting you down at night.” These Haitians, as well as undocumented immigrants from other countries, were “having a field day,” per Kirk, and “coming for your daughter next.” The only hope was Donald Trump, who had to prevail, lest Haitians “become your masters.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates


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markpkessinger

(8,866 posts)
16. If all you read was the headline . . .
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 03:37 PM
Sep 17

. . . then you completely missed the point of the article!

lostincalifornia

(4,678 posts)
3. Kirk is a piece of racist garbage, and much of the MSM "redeemtion" of him is a disgrace. Hint, there are NOT
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 09:15 AM
Sep 17

two sides to racism. There is only one side, and that is racism is WRONG.

markpkessinger

(8,866 posts)
17. And the author, Ta Nehisi Coates, knows that as well or better than anyone . . .
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 03:39 PM
Sep 17

. . . The headline is ironic. Read the article, and you'll see what I mean.

underpants

(193,405 posts)
4. Great piece. Rec'd. The Nazi in The Blues Brothers (1980) summed this up
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 09:19 AM
Sep 17

At least Charlie’s message:

The Jew is using the black as muscle against you! And you are left there, helpless. Well? What are you gonna do about it, whitey? Just sit there?

Gawd I hate all Nazis.

BTW - the “joke” about killing 4 more…was (sadly) stolen from Howard Stern who got suspended from DC 101 for making the same “joke” when MLK Day started being inacted around the country.

Bottom line is that none of Kirk’s message was new. It’s all been here for a long time.

EYESORE 9001

(29,131 posts)
5. Far from redeemed
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 09:21 AM
Sep 17

The right is pinning all their hopes & aspirations onto a specious representative that is going to become even more unpopular very soon.

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drmeow

(5,791 posts)
9. Anyone who says
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 10:28 AM
Sep 17

"Words are not violence," has never been verbally abused and/or bullied. Words absolutely can be violent - one of the definitions of violence is "Extreme or powerful emotion or expression."

Mblaze

(805 posts)
11. I've seen videos of him being reasonable during debates in front of others
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 11:52 AM
Sep 17

But I've also seen videos of him being disgusting and lying in his podcasts when there is no audience near.

eppur_se_muova

(40,271 posts)
13. Very apt use of the phrase "Lost Cause" ---
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 02:42 PM
Sep 17
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy

They're trying to whitewash the truth about Kirk and replace it with a heroic myth, in the same way they tried to "redeem" the Confederacy the very same way.

Initech

(106,498 posts)
14. Charlie Kirk didn't debate people - he baited them with impossible to answer questions.
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 02:45 PM
Sep 17

And then made them look like idiots on Youtube when they couldn't answer them and sold it to the people who bought Rupert Murdoch's attempts to destroy public education anyways.

SWBTATTReg

(25,751 posts)
15. Lost cause? As long as djt is alive, there will be no other causes around, to compete w/ any and all djt causes.
Wed Sep 17, 2025, 03:36 PM
Sep 17

Period. Djt is too vain, too much of an ego hound to allow anything that would gain a foothold against tRUMP.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,954 posts)
18. Excellent piece. I hadn't seen so much of TNC's writing around recently
Thu Sep 18, 2025, 09:09 AM
Sep 18

He hits the nail on the head here. Klein needs to read this, and then have a long talk with someone who gets it. Newsom ought to talk to Coates too.

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