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oxymoron

(4,076 posts)
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 10:36 PM Jul 28

A request for our LGBTQ+ allies.

Please do not include us in the discussion of pedophilia, on any level. It is the ugliest of the right-wing talking points that we endure daily. Whether it be a conversation about a flag or a seemingly minor issue, we don't need our side bolstering their hateful accusations. I know it's often unintentional, but keep in mind the optics.

Thanks!

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A request for our LGBTQ+ allies. (Original Post) oxymoron Jul 28 OP
huh? marble falls Jul 28 #1
I was trying to be a bit vague. oxymoron Jul 28 #2
I figured that's what you were talking about. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 28 #3
Roger that Teammate BOSSHOG Jul 28 #4
Thanks. my friend. That means a lot to me. nt oxymoron Jul 28 #5
ding. AllaN01Bear Jul 28 #6
a previous post seems to have been alerted multiple times but met the standards of DU members on those juries nt msongs Jul 28 #7
I'm shocked that it is still up on DU oxymoron Jul 28 #8
I thought my Adblock was preventing alerting oxymoron Jul 29 #13
K&R Solly Mack Jul 28 #9
I just wrote a reply to a message that showed prior to this one. slightlv Jul 29 #10
it happens Skittles Jul 29 #11
Yes, I'm on that thread. oxymoron Jul 29 #15
You stepped on no-one's toes. marble falls Jul 29 #18
92% of pedophiles are heterosexual.. Permanut Jul 29 #12
That's the percentage of heterosexuals vs LGBTQ.... Melon Jul 29 #16
Roger that.. Permanut Jul 29 #17
So many allies and well-meaning people... Otterdaemmerung Jul 29 #14

BOSSHOG

(43,884 posts)
4. Roger that Teammate
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 10:48 PM
Jul 28

Old Straight Guy here never worried about LGBTQ+. Always worried about GOP+. There is zero rational reason to oppose or denigrate LGBTQ+. There is every rational reason to oppose GOP.

msongs

(72,680 posts)
7. a previous post seems to have been alerted multiple times but met the standards of DU members on those juries nt
Mon Jul 28, 2025, 11:13 PM
Jul 28

oxymoron

(4,076 posts)
13. I thought my Adblock was preventing alerting
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 12:42 AM
Jul 29

So I resent it about three times in about five minutes. That's all. I haven't been a mod in a very long time, so not sure how it works these days.

slightlv

(6,853 posts)
10. I just wrote a reply to a message that showed prior to this one.
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 12:22 AM
Jul 29

And now I'm wondering, did I screw up? If so, please accept my apology. It sure wasn't intentional. I have a gender fluid grandson, and at least one of my marching signs is always about gender/sexual equality. But geesh! Now I'm worrying I stepped on toes I'd never mean to step on.

Skittles

(168,201 posts)
11. it happens
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 12:33 AM
Jul 29

even us most rabid libs get it wrong sometimes.......but we live and LEARN!

oxymoron

(4,076 posts)
15. Yes, I'm on that thread.
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 12:56 AM
Jul 29

Last edited Tue Jul 29, 2025, 02:33 AM - Edit history (1)

He said I alerted too much. Okay, I was a moderator a very long time ago, and I'm not sure how it works these days. I was having issues, and I thought it was either my old, shaky hands or my ad block. I alerted, I don't know, maybe three times over five minutes. It went through at least once, but I could have messed it up.

Anyway, who knows. I know you didn't offend me at all. I didn't see your post before he deleted it. I wouldn't worry about it.

Permanut

(7,656 posts)
12. 92% of pedophiles are heterosexual..
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 12:36 AM
Jul 29

As reported by the National Institute of Health.

Of course that information will never be reported on Fox.

Melon

(819 posts)
16. That's the percentage of heterosexuals vs LGBTQ....
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 12:58 AM
Jul 29

That may not be the strongest stat! 7.6%

Permanut

(7,656 posts)
17. Roger that..
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 01:47 AM
Jul 29

Nevertheless there are eleven heterosexual pedophiles "out there" preying on our children for every one homosexual.

The statistics are more nuanced than that, but it's clear which is the more serious threat.

Otterdaemmerung

(135 posts)
14. So many allies and well-meaning people...
Tue Jul 29, 2025, 12:55 AM
Jul 29

...just don't know how we LGBT+ people are compared to or accused of being pedophiles constantly.

It's at the root of the book ban controversy, and often behind the massive push for homeschooling. They think that "sexuality" means sexual activity, so every LGBT+ teacher is suspect, and so is every age-appropriate curriculum that teaches about "sex ed," even if it has nothing to do with sexual activity. In reality, "sexuality" means all forms of human attraction, not just sexual.

And then there's guilt by association. They think that if we're "perverted" in even the most innocent of ways, then that means we must be more seriously perverted further down, as in being a danger of preying upon children. It's also a variation on the old trope that LGBT+ people "recruit," when nothing could be further from the truth. Personally, I had inklings I was different from as far back as I can remember, and I didn't fully realize I was gay until I was 19 and in college. Never knowing anyone else until then who was gay didn't stop me from being gay -- it only delayed my self-realization, and I wouldn't engage in any sort of same-sex sexual activity until a year and a half later. That REALLY confused my relatives: they couldn't fathom how I could know I was gay even though I'd never had sex with anyone. 32 years later, my same-sex marriage has outlasted all of theirs! Yet still, somehow, I'm the one who's persona non grata. And online, whenever I hold homophobes and transphobes to facts instead of conspiracy theories, I get accused (baselessly) of being a pedophile. They really have no idea I'm infinitely more likely to be attracted to a kid's dad than anyone who's underage or even a young adult. Simply speaking, I'm a grown man who's attracted exclusively to other grown men. The accusation is so off-target from my actual sexual preferences as to be laughable in the extreme. But I digress.

The problem is that the accusation of pedophilia against LGBT+ people has very real negative potential consequences. We need to disassociate the idea of pedophilia from legitimate sexual orientation and gender identity, because even a quasi-plausible accusation of pedophilia could cost a LGBT+ person their life or lifelihood. Scientific studies have shown that the overwhelming majority of pedophiles are heterosexual (not to put down heterosexuals).

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