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pat_k

(11,474 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:01 AM Friday

My latest flight of fantasy...

So, 47 has ordered Bondi to make a futile effort to get Epstein grand jury testimony released. (I'm not a lawyer, but as far as I can tell, none of the exceptions to the secrecy of grand jury testimony apply here.)

It seems clear this is an empty gesture his "people" have come up with to quell the revolt. And they undoubtedly hope that it has the added bonus of giving them another cudgel to hit the courts with ("We asked for it, the corrupt judiciary are the ones keeping it all secret." )

Now here's my little flight of fantasy:

The court finds that some of the testimony needs to be released in the public interest, not for whatever bullshit argument Bondi's DOJ makes, but "on it's own motion," with a finding that the nation has a right to know its president's involvement.

An appeal to block that would sure stir up the hornets nest!


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My latest flight of fantasy... (Original Post) pat_k Friday OP
The problem is that a grand jury transcript is just a tiny slice of a total case. Ocelot II Friday #1
All true. My little fantasy is indeed a fantasy. pat_k Friday #2

Ocelot II

(126,090 posts)
1. The problem is that a grand jury transcript is just a tiny slice of a total case.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:06 AM
Friday

It's the material the prosecutor wants the jurors to see in order to get an indictment (which is just a probable cause finding), and it's just the tip of a much larger iceberg. And certainly it would be selectively edited even if a judge did approve its release.

pat_k

(11,474 posts)
2. All true. My little fantasy is indeed a fantasy.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 12:17 AM
Friday

The part that is true is that this is a ploy to quell the revolt. It is an utterly empty gesture, given both the limited nature of the testimony (as you point out) and the statutes and precedent protecting the secrecy of grand jury testimony (with some very specific exceptions that aren't present.)

They are betting that the parts of the MAGAverse who believe that Epstein's death in custody and failure to prosecute any perpetrators is the quintessential symbol of the "deep state" covering for the evil, liberal elites will somehow shift their growing anger with Bondi and 47 to the court that denies the motion for release.

I really don't think the effort will ultimately fly, but so far, Charlie Kirk seems to be eating it up, so who knows?

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