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Kablooie

(18,951 posts)
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:18 PM Thursday

Something no one mentions...

Trump was the owner of the Miss Teen USA beauty pageant when he was friends with Epstein.
I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

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Something no one mentions... (Original Post) Kablooie Thursday OP
It would be interesting if some researcher interviews those girls kimbutgar Thursday #1
There are already so, so many interviews out there intrepidity Thursday #3
This. WhiskeyGrinder Thursday #6
A modeling agency as well malaise Thursday #2
Notoriety OKIsItJustMe Thursday #4
Trump not just a dirty old man leering at young girls. He was identifying potential victims Irish_Dem Thursday #5
There is absolutely no evidence for that. Wiz Imp Thursday #16
Ummm, hold on a minute... AntiFascist Thursday #20
I hadn't seen that before, but this person's story is the exact opposite of what was being claimed. Wiz Imp Thursday #25
Trump likely saw her at the beauty pageant... AntiFascist Thursday #28
Edit. Proof You are wrong. Wiz Imp Thursday #30
LOL, you're starting to sound desperate... AntiFascist Thursday #35
Ha ha ha ha Irish_Dem Thursday #23
Agreed DENVERPOPS Thursday #29
I have heard that mentioned a number of times on markodochartaigh Thursday #7
Lurker Kid Berwyn Thursday #8
drumpf bragged about walking in on underage girls getting undressed JoseBalow Thursday #9
One girl is said to have complained to Ivanka and she replied, "Oh, daddy just does that" Hekate Thursday #11
That is incorrect. In the interview, he was asked about Miss USA & Miss Universe, NOT Miss Teen USA Wiz Imp Thursday #15
Duck, I says JoseBalow Thursday #22
It's sad that you don't think it's important to be truthful in what you post. Wiz Imp Thursday #27
Oh no! JoseBalow Thursday #33
Post removed Post removed Thursday #34
Defending a convicted rapist and sexual pervert is not a good look. Irish_Dem Thursday #24
I'm not defending anyone. Good God has this place gotten ridiculous. Wiz Imp Thursday #26
Gets mentioned fairly often, actually Hekate Thursday #10
Posted this a couple of weeks ago: IcyPeas Thursday #12
I swear, if this dirty bastard ever did anything to one of my family members, i would investigate until bluestarone Thursday #13
A little more has been made of this than it probably merits I think in part because people have misrepresented Trump's Wiz Imp Thursday #14
I'm wondering if Epstein used the Trump connection to find girls. Kablooie Thursday #18
There is zero evidence of that. Wiz Imp Thursday #21
Oh please NJCher Thursday #36
I remember a quote from a Miss Teen USA contestent pfitz59 Thursday #17
He would pop into the dressing room when they were changing to bathing suits & watch them. appleannie1 Thursday #19
Not true. There are multiple posts in this thread with actual quotes from contestants. Wiz Imp Thursday #31
Former pageant contestant: I'm not accusing Trump, I'm verifying appleannie1 Friday #37
You can do that if you're a Big Celebrity... BurnDoubt Thursday #32
Exactly. He used to brag about it. appleannie1 Friday #38

intrepidity

(8,363 posts)
3. There are already so, so many interviews out there
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:27 PM
Thursday

Either they are believed by folks like us who don't need more convincing, or they are called liars and worse by those who will never believe it.

malaise

(286,814 posts)
2. A modeling agency as well
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:21 PM
Thursday

Rec

Add

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-model-agency-dismissed-concern-terry-richardson-sex-abuse-lawsuit-2023-11

Terry Richardson sexually abused a model after Trump's modeling agency dismissed her concerns about him, lawsuit says


Terry Richardson sexually abused a model on two separate occasions in 2004, a new lawsuit alleges.
Donald Trump's modeling agency waved off her concerns, according to the suit.
Richardson published photos of the alleged abuse in a book and gallery.
Sometime in 2004, Minerva Portillo had a meeting with Terry Richardson in his downtown Manhattan studio.



Irish_Dem

(72,498 posts)
5. Trump not just a dirty old man leering at young girls. He was identifying potential victims
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:30 PM
Thursday

for the sex trafficking ring he was running with Epstein.

Trump had access to many young beautiful girls.

Wiz Imp

(6,084 posts)
16. There is absolutely no evidence for that.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:05 PM
Thursday

He owned the pageants for about 20 years and nobody who competed in the Miss Teen USA pageant has ever accused him of anything more than walking into the backstage dressing room while they may have been changing.

Please stick to reality based claims.

AntiFascist

(13,537 posts)
20. Ummm, hold on a minute...
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:15 PM
Thursday
One of the four women who say they were “groomed” for sex by Ghislaine Maxwell testified Wednesday that the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein took her to meet Donald Trump when she was just 14.

Testifying at Maxwell’s trial in New York City, the woman, who is being identified by the pseudonym Jane, said on cross-examination that she met the future president in the 1990s at Mar-a-Lago, his resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
...
Jane also acknowledged that in 1998, she took part in a Miss Teen USA beauty pageant that was associated with Trump. It wasn’t immediately clear whether that was before or after the meeting at Mar-a-Lago.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-introduced-trump-14-ghislaine-maxwell-accuser-says-rcna7253

Wiz Imp

(6,084 posts)
25. I hadn't seen that before, but this person's story is the exact opposite of what was being claimed.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:32 PM
Thursday

It was said "Trump not just a dirty old man leering at young girls. He was identifying potential victims". This person made clear she met Epstein long before she met Trump. Complete opposite. Trump did not identify this person as a "potential victim" for Epstein. Ridiculous.

AntiFascist

(13,537 posts)
28. Trump likely saw her at the beauty pageant...
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:51 PM
Thursday

If the pageant was before the meeting where Epstein took her to formally meet with Trump, it's still possible (and I think very likely) Trump had already picked her out as a candidate for Epstein to bring to be groomed.

Wiz Imp

(6,084 posts)
30. Edit. Proof You are wrong.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 09:09 PM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Jul 17, 2025, 10:41 PM - Edit history (3)

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-accuser-testimony

On Tuesday, the first of the four accusers testified, describing how Maxwell allegedly groomed her for sexual acts with Epstein, while at times actively participating in the abuse. She also testified Wednesday that Epstein introduced her to Donald Trump at his Florida resort Mar-a-Lago when she was 14, before he was president.

The witness, who was identified in court by the pseudonym “Jane” and who is now in her early 40s, said she first met Maxwell and Epstein in 1994 while she was attending a summer arts camp in Michigan. Epstein told her they were major donors to the camp and that they gave children scholarships. After finding out she was from Palm Beach, Florida, where he had a home, he suggested he might know her parents and asked for her mom’s name and phone number, Jane said


But that same year, while she was still 14, Epstein began sexually abusing her, Jane said. Maxwell played a significant role, she said, allegedly grooming her by normalizing talking about sexual topics, goading the young teen into sexual contact with Epstein and, at times, Maxwell herself.


On Wednesday, Jane testified that she had taken part in the Trump-run Miss Teen USA beauty pageant in 1998 and that she had been introduced to him by Epstein in the 1990s at Mar-a-Lago. She did not describe any improper conduct during the meeting or offer other details about it.


She was in the pageant 4 years after she was first introduced to Trump. And she was being abused by Epstein those entire 4 years. The pageant had no connection to her meeting and being abused by Epstein.

Will you admit you were wrong now?

AntiFascist

(13,537 posts)
35. LOL, you're starting to sound desperate...
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 09:43 PM
Thursday

I'm just pointing out what logically makes sense:

Trump runs a teen beauty pageant where he scopes out beautiful young girls.
His friend Epstein then contacts the ones most likely to be candidates for his, shall we call it, "gentlemen's service"
He then formally introduces her to Trump and the abuse ensues.

Why is that so hard to believe?
Also, testimony under oath with a corroborating witness is some of the best evidence there is.

"Some enigmas never grow old"

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
29. Agreed
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 09:00 PM
Thursday

just look at all the countless pictures of him WITH HIS VERY OWN DAUGHTER.......hiis hands intentionally placed in areas that I would NEVER put my hands on my daughter or grand-daughter...........

What kind of man would even begin to think that it was in any way appropriate to go into the dressing room of any age women especially teenagers????

A PERVERT..........


markodochartaigh

(3,375 posts)
7. I have heard that mentioned a number of times on
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 06:40 PM
Thursday

Thom Hartmann's show, both by Thom and by callers. I expect to hear it in the mainstream media when the billionaires have successfully been able to transfer maga loyalty to another Strong Leader and are ready to dump Trump on his rump in the dump.

JoseBalow

(7,961 posts)
9. drumpf bragged about walking in on underage girls getting undressed
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 07:22 PM
Thursday

during a radio interview with Howard Stern.

(0:28)

Hekate

(98,590 posts)
11. One girl is said to have complained to Ivanka and she replied, "Oh, daddy just does that"
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 07:43 PM
Thursday

JoseBalow

(7,961 posts)
33. Oh no!
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 09:11 PM
Thursday

Don't be sad.

In the interview he is talking about walking in on the dressing rooms of the pageants he owned, one of which being the Miss Teen USA pageant.

The article that you yourself linked to quotes young girls from that teen pageant describing that very behavior:

Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

"I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’ " said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA.

Trump, she recalled, said something like, "Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before."

Three other women, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of getting engulfed in a media firestorm, also remembered Trump entering the dressing room while girls were changing. Two of them said the girls rushed to cover their bodies, with one calling it "shocking" and "creepy." The third said she was clothed and introduced herself to Trump.


If you want to be pedantic about which pageant and when, have fun... but please don't be sad if I don't give a fuck about giving the pedo rapist the benefit of the doubt.

Response to JoseBalow (Reply #33)

Wiz Imp

(6,084 posts)
26. I'm not defending anyone. Good God has this place gotten ridiculous.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:37 PM
Thursday

Half the posts at this point seem to be crazy conspiracy theories with zero evidence. Then when somebody stands up for wanting to stay reality based and stick to facts, they are accused of defending a rapist. That is a libelous remark that you should be ashamed of.

IcyPeas

(23,915 posts)
12. Posted this a couple of weeks ago:
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 07:45 PM
Thursday
Teen models, powerful men and private dinners: when Trump hosted Look of the Year modelling competition

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220473046


bluestarone

(19,958 posts)
13. I swear, if this dirty bastard ever did anything to one of my family members, i would investigate until
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 07:53 PM
Thursday

I got all girls together that thi scumbag ever touched. There has to be people out there that could put this bastard behind bars for LIFE!!

Wiz Imp

(6,084 posts)
14. A little more has been made of this than it probably merits I think in part because people have misrepresented Trump's
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 07:59 PM
Thursday

interview with Howard Stern. Trump said this:

Well, I'll tell you the funniest is that before a show, I'll go backstage and everyone's getting dressed, and everything else, and you know, no men are anywhere, and I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting it. You know, I'm inspecting because I want to make sure that everything is good. [...] You know, the dresses. 'Is everyone okay?' You know, they're standing there with no clothes. 'Is everybody okay?' And you see these incredible looking women, and so, I sort of get away with things like that. But no, I've been very good.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/posts-claim-trump-admitted-entering-020000708.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE-XzkwEQ6a_M6A6c-6dqyGdIMjF3BBlckEx3EcYzCIZvYPzz2kNXerchHpF6wFdtvOvSarI80bJi4bV034wcvPZuAF6q02awOjSkqcgDreM4EdNTzJ2Ns68co4AQMI_jL1gSTUmfSLjlHer0FLvE5Ae9VUa-FOcco_NNUKPr6EX
That was in response to a question about the Miss Universe & Miss USA pageants., NOT Miss Teen USA. You also have to consider that Trump lies or exaggerates about everything and you know he was trying to brag to Howard Stern and his audience thinking that confessing to disgusting and creepy behavior would actually make him look better.

Someone else posted the Buzzfeed article with quotes from several contestants in a Miss Teen USA contest saying saying he walked in while they were changing, but also note that a much larger group of contestants in that article said they don't remember it happening. Also, another contestant in that pageant says he came in but that the contestants were first warned by chaperones:
Victoria Hughes, Miss Teen New Mexico in 1997, said she remembers chaperones “saying that we had a visitor and to get covered up,” but stopped short of accusing Trump of inappropriate behavior.

“While I do not support Donald Trump, stories about him barging in on teenage girls is not correct,” Hughes wrote in an email to NM Political Report. “Our chaperones would never have allowed that to happen, and no one, not even Donald, deserves to be lied about in this way.”

https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2016/10/13/trump-backstage-activity-in-97-exaggerated-says-former-miss-teen-nm/

I have no doubt Trump engaged in some of that kind of disgusting and creepy behavior, but I doubt it was pervasive as some have made it out to be. Particularly with the under age girls.

Kablooie

(18,951 posts)
18. I'm wondering if Epstein used the Trump connection to find girls.
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:09 PM
Thursday

I mean how did he get so many young girls to join him?
A lot of pageant wannabes might be susceptible to his pitch.

NJCher

(40,729 posts)
36. Oh please
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 11:58 PM
Thursday

It is obvious that you have not done your homework because there is an extensive article posted here by LaRaven. The article was published in The Guardian. The article is long and it took me at least 30" to read it all, and I'm a fast reader. It is entitled, "Teen models, powerful men and private dinners: when Trump hosted Look of the Year"
This article is more than 5 years old
Subhead: In the early 90s, Donald Trump judged the world’s biggest modelling competition - since hit by allegations of abuse. This is how the people who were there remember it

By Lucy Osborne, Harry Davies and Stephanie Kirchgaessner. A special investigation

It is FULL of examples of trump's behavior regarding underage girls. Oh, and not only text, there are pictures. It became obvious to me at the conclusion of this article that this scandal is about trump, epstein, and underage girls.

You are notably absent from that thread.

Here are four snippets from the article, all I can legally post:

Scores of teenage girls in evening dresses and miniskirts, some as young as 14, danced under disco lights. It could have been a high school prom, were it not for the crowd of older men surrounding them.

As the evening wore on, some of the men – many old enough to be the girls’ fathers, or even grandfathers – joined them on the dancefloor, pressing themselves against the girls.

One of the girls on the boat was Shawna Lee, then a 14-year-old from a small town outside Toronto.
At 16, Wilkes was one of the older contestants in Look of the Year. The 1992 Fox documentary reported that the average age was 15, and the film’s interviews make the youth of many contestants plain.

Later, during a photoshoot, a photographer instructs a 15-year-old to show more of her cleavage by pulling her bra lower. “More,” he tells her. “More. More.”


Now it has come out that trump and epstein had a ten-year friendship and there is a letter in which trump writes to epstein that they should have many more years of secrets. Oh really? Secrets. What kind of secrets do you think those might be?

There would be no need to refer to secrets if these young women were of age. No need to call it a secret whatsoever.

It is all the more interesting that epstein observes that trump doesn't have friends. So why would there be this 10-year association of epstein and trump? It wasn't really friendship. It may have looked like it on the surface, but what it really was was an association to put old guys and young girls together. The pageant thing and associations with Elite Modeling was the perfect veneer for "legitimacy." Without the pageant/modeling facade, it was be a highly questionable situation and there would have been way more questions than there were.

If you read the article, you'll try to claim there is no evidence of trump and a young girl (you would be wrong--how about his own daughter on his lap at one of these affairs). Has it occurred to you that the truth is worse? The truth is that epstein and trump were conspirators in putting together events under the cover of the idea they were pageants or modeling opportunities when they were really sick arrangements to give old guys access to young girls.

Really, your point, even if it was correct, is irrelevant. As I said, the truth is far worse.

I suggest you go do your homework before you come here and stand up for donald trump, claiming you're defending the truth and that there is no connection between trump and underage girls. It's bad enough that he took his nine-year old daugher and had her seated on his lap. That he was part of a modus operandi that put together these occasions so that other sickos could take advantage of young girls makes his actions reprehensible.




pfitz59

(11,641 posts)
17. I remember a quote from a Miss Teen USA contestent
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 08:08 PM
Thursday

She said Trump didcwalk in on the girls.

BurnDoubt

(827 posts)
32. You can do that if you're a Big Celebrity...
Thu Jul 17, 2025, 09:11 PM
Thursday

They just let you.
Sadly this was an early warning that was ignored. And then another, and another, and another, and another......

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