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Trump was the owner of the Miss Teen USA beauty pageant when he was friends with Epstein.
I'll leave the rest to your imagination.

kimbutgar
(25,578 posts)intrepidity
(8,363 posts)Either they are believed by folks like us who don't need more convincing, or they are called liars and worse by those who will never believe it.
WhiskeyGrinder
(25,335 posts)malaise
(286,814 posts)Rec
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-model-agency-dismissed-concern-terry-richardson-sex-abuse-lawsuit-2023-11
Terry Richardson sexually abused a model after Trump's modeling agency dismissed her concerns about him, lawsuit says
Terry Richardson sexually abused a model on two separate occasions in 2004, a new lawsuit alleges.
Donald Trump's modeling agency waved off her concerns, according to the suit.
Richardson published photos of the alleged abuse in a book and gallery.
Sometime in 2004, Minerva Portillo had a meeting with Terry Richardson in his downtown Manhattan studio.
Irish_Dem
(72,498 posts)for the sex trafficking ring he was running with Epstein.
Trump had access to many young beautiful girls.
Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)He owned the pageants for about 20 years and nobody who competed in the Miss Teen USA pageant has ever accused him of anything more than walking into the backstage dressing room while they may have been changing.
Please stick to reality based claims.
AntiFascist
(13,537 posts)Testifying at Maxwells trial in New York City, the woman, who is being identified by the pseudonym Jane, said on cross-examination that she met the future president in the 1990s at Mar-a-Lago, his resort in Palm Beach, Florida.
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Jane also acknowledged that in 1998, she took part in a Miss Teen USA beauty pageant that was associated with Trump. It wasnt immediately clear whether that was before or after the meeting at Mar-a-Lago.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-introduced-trump-14-ghislaine-maxwell-accuser-says-rcna7253
Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)It was said "Trump not just a dirty old man leering at young girls. He was identifying potential victims". This person made clear she met Epstein long before she met Trump. Complete opposite. Trump did not identify this person as a "potential victim" for Epstein. Ridiculous.
AntiFascist
(13,537 posts)If the pageant was before the meeting where Epstein took her to formally meet with Trump, it's still possible (and I think very likely) Trump had already picked her out as a candidate for Epstein to bring to be groomed.
Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 17, 2025, 10:41 PM - Edit history (3)
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/ghislaine-maxwell-trial-accuser-testimonyThe witness, who was identified in court by the pseudonym Jane and who is now in her early 40s, said she first met Maxwell and Epstein in 1994 while she was attending a summer arts camp in Michigan. Epstein told her they were major donors to the camp and that they gave children scholarships. After finding out she was from Palm Beach, Florida, where he had a home, he suggested he might know her parents and asked for her moms name and phone number, Jane said
She was in the pageant 4 years after she was first introduced to Trump. And she was being abused by Epstein those entire 4 years. The pageant had no connection to her meeting and being abused by Epstein.
Will you admit you were wrong now?
AntiFascist
(13,537 posts)I'm just pointing out what logically makes sense:
Trump runs a teen beauty pageant where he scopes out beautiful young girls.
His friend Epstein then contacts the ones most likely to be candidates for his, shall we call it, "gentlemen's service"
He then formally introduces her to Trump and the abuse ensues.
Why is that so hard to believe?
Also, testimony under oath with a corroborating witness is some of the best evidence there is.
"Some enigmas never grow old"
Irish_Dem
(72,498 posts)DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)just look at all the countless pictures of him WITH HIS VERY OWN DAUGHTER.......hiis hands intentionally placed in areas that I would NEVER put my hands on my daughter or grand-daughter...........
What kind of man would even begin to think that it was in any way appropriate to go into the dressing room of any age women especially teenagers????
A PERVERT..........
markodochartaigh
(3,375 posts)Thom Hartmann's show, both by Thom and by callers. I expect to hear it in the mainstream media when the billionaires have successfully been able to transfer maga loyalty to another Strong Leader and are ready to dump Trump on his rump in the dump.
Kid Berwyn
(21,362 posts)Heavy Breather Backstage
JoseBalow
(7,961 posts)during a radio interview with Howard Stern.
Hekate
(98,590 posts)Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)He was NOT talking about underage girls.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/posts-claim-trump-admitted-entering-020000708.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE-XzkwEQ6a_M6A6c-6dqyGdIMjF3BBlckEx3EcYzCIZvYPzz2kNXerchHpF6wFdtvOvSarI80bJi4bV034wcvPZuAF6q02awOjSkqcgDreM4EdNTzJ2Ns68co4AQMI_jL1gSTUmfSLjlHer0FLvE5Ae9VUa-FOcco_NNUKPr6EX
https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/
JoseBalow
(7,961 posts)Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)Don't be sad.
In the interview he is talking about walking in on the dressing rooms of the pageants he owned, one of which being the Miss Teen USA pageant.
The article that you yourself linked to quotes young girls from that teen pageant describing that very behavior:
"I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, Oh my god, theres a man in here, " said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA.
Trump, she recalled, said something like, "Dont worry, ladies, Ive seen it all before."
Three other women, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of getting engulfed in a media firestorm, also remembered Trump entering the dressing room while girls were changing. Two of them said the girls rushed to cover their bodies, with one calling it "shocking" and "creepy." The third said she was clothed and introduced herself to Trump.
If you want to be pedantic about which pageant and when, have fun... but please don't be sad if I don't give a fuck about giving the pedo rapist the benefit of the doubt.
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Irish_Dem
(72,498 posts)Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)Half the posts at this point seem to be crazy conspiracy theories with zero evidence. Then when somebody stands up for wanting to stay reality based and stick to facts, they are accused of defending a rapist. That is a libelous remark that you should be ashamed of.
Hekate
(98,590 posts)He was a pig then, and is a pig now
IcyPeas
(23,915 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220473046
bluestarone
(19,958 posts)I got all girls together that thi scumbag ever touched. There has to be people out there that could put this bastard behind bars for LIFE!!
Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)interview with Howard Stern. Trump said this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/posts-claim-trump-admitted-entering-020000708.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE-XzkwEQ6a_M6A6c-6dqyGdIMjF3BBlckEx3EcYzCIZvYPzz2kNXerchHpF6wFdtvOvSarI80bJi4bV034wcvPZuAF6q02awOjSkqcgDreM4EdNTzJ2Ns68co4AQMI_jL1gSTUmfSLjlHer0FLvE5Ae9VUa-FOcco_NNUKPr6EX
That was in response to a question about the Miss Universe & Miss USA pageants., NOT Miss Teen USA. You also have to consider that Trump lies or exaggerates about everything and you know he was trying to brag to Howard Stern and his audience thinking that confessing to disgusting and creepy behavior would actually make him look better.
Someone else posted the Buzzfeed article with quotes from several contestants in a Miss Teen USA contest saying saying he walked in while they were changing, but also note that a much larger group of contestants in that article said they don't remember it happening. Also, another contestant in that pageant says he came in but that the contestants were first warned by chaperones:
While I do not support Donald Trump, stories about him barging in on teenage girls is not correct, Hughes wrote in an email to NM Political Report. Our chaperones would never have allowed that to happen, and no one, not even Donald, deserves to be lied about in this way.
https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2016/10/13/trump-backstage-activity-in-97-exaggerated-says-former-miss-teen-nm/
I have no doubt Trump engaged in some of that kind of disgusting and creepy behavior, but I doubt it was pervasive as some have made it out to be. Particularly with the under age girls.
Kablooie
(18,951 posts)I mean how did he get so many young girls to join him?
A lot of pageant wannabes might be susceptible to his pitch.
Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)NJCher
(40,729 posts)It is obvious that you have not done your homework because there is an extensive article posted here by LaRaven. The article was published in The Guardian. The article is long and it took me at least 30" to read it all, and I'm a fast reader. It is entitled, "Teen models, powerful men and private dinners: when Trump hosted Look of the Year"
This article is more than 5 years old
Subhead: In the early 90s, Donald Trump judged the worlds biggest modelling competition - since hit by allegations of abuse. This is how the people who were there remember it
By Lucy Osborne, Harry Davies and Stephanie Kirchgaessner. A special investigation
It is FULL of examples of trump's behavior regarding underage girls. Oh, and not only text, there are pictures. It became obvious to me at the conclusion of this article that this scandal is about trump, epstein, and underage girls.
You are notably absent from that thread.
Here are four snippets from the article, all I can legally post:
Scores of teenage girls in evening dresses and miniskirts, some as young as 14, danced under disco lights. It could have been a high school prom, were it not for the crowd of older men surrounding them.
As the evening wore on, some of the men many old enough to be the girls fathers, or even grandfathers joined them on the dancefloor, pressing themselves against the girls.
One of the girls on the boat was Shawna Lee, then a 14-year-old from a small town outside Toronto.
At 16, Wilkes was one of the older contestants in Look of the Year. The 1992 Fox documentary reported that the average age was 15, and the films interviews make the youth of many contestants plain.
Later, during a photoshoot, a photographer instructs a 15-year-old to show more of her cleavage by pulling her bra lower. More, he tells her. More. More.
Now it has come out that trump and epstein had a ten-year friendship and there is a letter in which trump writes to epstein that they should have many more years of secrets. Oh really? Secrets. What kind of secrets do you think those might be?
There would be no need to refer to secrets if these young women were of age. No need to call it a secret whatsoever.
It is all the more interesting that epstein observes that trump doesn't have friends. So why would there be this 10-year association of epstein and trump? It wasn't really friendship. It may have looked like it on the surface, but what it really was was an association to put old guys and young girls together. The pageant thing and associations with Elite Modeling was the perfect veneer for "legitimacy." Without the pageant/modeling facade, it was be a highly questionable situation and there would have been way more questions than there were.
If you read the article, you'll try to claim there is no evidence of trump and a young girl (you would be wrong--how about his own daughter on his lap at one of these affairs). Has it occurred to you that the truth is worse? The truth is that epstein and trump were conspirators in putting together events under the cover of the idea they were pageants or modeling opportunities when they were really sick arrangements to give old guys access to young girls.
Really, your point, even if it was correct, is irrelevant. As I said, the truth is far worse.
I suggest you go do your homework before you come here and stand up for donald trump, claiming you're defending the truth and that there is no connection between trump and underage girls. It's bad enough that he took his nine-year old daugher and had her seated on his lap. That he was part of a modus operandi that put together these occasions so that other sickos could take advantage of young girls makes his actions reprehensible.
pfitz59
(11,641 posts)She said Trump didcwalk in on the girls.
appleannie1
(5,299 posts)Wiz Imp
(6,084 posts)appleannie1
(5,299 posts)BurnDoubt
(827 posts)They just let you.
Sadly this was an early warning that was ignored. And then another, and another, and another, and another......