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Omaha Steve

(106,299 posts)
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 08:03 AM Thursday

As the Texas Floodwaters Rose, One Indispensable Voice Was Silent

FULL story here: http://archive.today/lh7ET




July 9, 2025

By Zeynep Tufekci

Opinion Columnist

When a reporter demanded to know why the summer camps along the Guadalupe River weren’t evacuated before its waters reached their deadly peak on July 4, Rob Kelly, the highest-ranking local official, had a simple answer: “No one knew this kind of flood was coming.”

Why not? Kerr County, Texas, had lots of history to go on — as Kelly went on to explain: “We have floods all the time. This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States.” The National Weather Service had even brought in extra staff that night. Most important, the service had issued three increasingly dire warnings early that morning — at 1:14 a.m., 4:03 a.m. and 6:06 a.m.

What Kelly didn’t mention, but which has since become well known, is that the Weather Service employee whose job it was to make sure those warnings got traction — Paul Yura, the long-serving meteorologist in charge of “warning coordination” — had recently taken an unplanned early retirement amid cuts pushed by the so-called Department of Government Efficiency. He was not replaced.

To a Washington bean counter, his loss might have looked like one tiny but welcome subtraction in a giant spreadsheet, but not in a region so prone to these perilous events that it’s known as Flash Flood Alley. Hundreds of kids at summer camps slept in cabins along the river. The plan was for folks at the upstream camps to send word to the downstream camps if floodwaters got scary. But if even the highest official in the county wasn’t on high alert, how were the camp counselors supposed to understand the danger — or, in an area without reliable cellphone coverage, to act on it?

Original PAY link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/09/opinion/texas-floods-nws.html

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As the Texas Floodwaters Rose, One Indispensable Voice Was Silent (Original Post) Omaha Steve Thursday OP
Shrinking the federal government so you could drown it in a bathtub Vogon_Glory Thursday #1
The words few dare speak. Kid Berwyn Thursday #12
And drown any kids along the way IronLionZion Thursday #16
We Remember SalviaBlue Thursday #27
The story leaves out that the county had $5 million from Biden's infrastructure act UpInArms Thursday #2
If I said what I thought... róisín_dubh Thursday #4
This is the sum total of their precious fucking "values." Mr. Evil Thursday #18
I know exactly how you feel, risn_dubh. calimary Thursday #20
it is scary how easily they fall for propaganda Skittles Thursday #23
Order of power in a Texas County (too close to the Louisianna model for comfort) ... marble falls Thursday #5
if everyone in town works for the same factory rampartd Friday #28
The hatred.... NJCher Thursday #6
I'll never forget or forgive those bastards... róisín_dubh Thursday #21
Stick it to the libs gay texan Thursday #7
Highlight paragraph three. marble falls Thursday #3
What only a few articles that are reporting on this are mentioning, mwmisses4289 Thursday #8
Are we tired of darwinning, Hornedfrog2000 Thursday #9
Oooooooooh GOOD one!!! calimary Thursday #19
pic of Paul Yura at this link NJCher Thursday #10
Musk and the idiot Nazis in control of our federal government Farmer-Rick Thursday #11
The "brought in extra staff that night" part. calimary Thursday #13
And the magat US Govt doesn't give a shit mdbl Thursday #14
I can't imagine Paul Yura's current state of mind Mr. Ected Thursday #15
He should have a very clear conscience. rubbersole Thursday #22
They murdered by neglect their own children. Clouds Passing Thursday #17
This message was self-deleted by its author krkaufman Thursday #24
I am going camping in the flood plain of a known killer river. Don't care about flood watches or warnings. No problemo msongs Thursday #25
Abbot got very upset when a reporter asked him who was to blame. Norrrm Thursday #26
Afraid of the lawsuits and angry his name and his donors names will be on them JT45242 Friday #29

Vogon_Glory

(9,975 posts)
1. Shrinking the federal government so you could drown it in a bathtub
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 08:08 AM
Thursday

Never mind all those dead bodies.

Mission accomplished!

UpInArms

(53,104 posts)
2. The story leaves out that the county had $5 million from Biden's infrastructure act
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 08:14 AM
Thursday
https://www.reddit.com/r/TexasPolitics/comments/1ltnjf8/comment/n1st2km/?context=3

The people also didn't want to spend any of the ARPA money because it was tied to the Biden administration. Even the Judge suggests just holding on to the money so that it can’t be sent to states that don’t share their same values. And now we have 10s of people who have died and many might have lived if the county had updated their flood warning system and installed flood sirens along the river like the multiple counties/towns around them did.

Commissioners' Court Regular Session 11/08/21

Resident: Are you accountable to anyone for how you spend it? Or is it a, kind of, a reward and shows your support for this particular program? It's not free money. Being present as we talk. How do we know this? Immediately. Unless you want it on the COVID lies and vaccination pressure, you have to send it back. Those are heavy strings. And those are strings. The deep state harangue and vilified President Trump for calling COVID for what it was and then suggest responses that were non-draconian, and then when Biden took office, the leftist government took its gloves off. It has lied and lied more about this COVID -- about COVID.

The temptation is great, you're accountable, and we would like to know where your allegiance is.

Resident 2: And I'm here to ask this Court today to send this money back to the Biden administration, which I consider to be the most criminal treasonous communist government ever to hold the White House. And Kerr County should not be accepting anything from these people. They're currently facilitating an invasion of our border, and we're going to support these people? So that's what I have to say. Thank you.

Resident: I happen to know that there is no such thing as free money. It's never government-funded; it's tax-payer funded. So they're taking our money and they're putting strings attached to it and then they're giving it back to us. And they're going to get their foot in the door in this county. We don't want their money. I feel like the people have spoken and I stand with the people. Thank you for your time.

COMMISSIONER BELEW: We have money in the bank, $5.1 million, that was sent to Kerr County.

JUDGE KELLY: We didn't ask for it. They sent it.

COMMISSIONER BELEW: They sent it.

MS. DEWELL: Exactly.

COMMISSIONER BELEW: The money is in the bank right now. Hasn't been spent. In the event that you don't spend it, you send it back. That's part of the Treasury's rules on it. If you do spend it, whatever percentage, there would be no expense to the taxpayers in Kerr County. It would all come out of that account, no matter what you do with it.

JUDGE KELLY: And GrantWorks has been very helpful in -- in getting us focused on what colors between the lines and what doesn't. As of last Thursday, when I got a call from Bonnie White telling me about this -- the problem that y'all were going to present at the meeting, I went and got on the telephone to their Senior Vice President from GrantWorks. And there -- there are discussions that they want to have with us and so we want to sit down and listen to them. And we want -- we want you to hear them, too. Because you're the public. But we -- we need to know and get very comfortable with where we are with this grant before we start taking that money. And the claw back was the first thing. As far as where that money sits for the next year or two, my old law partner John Cornyn tells me that if we send it back it's going to New Jersey or it's going to New York or it's going to --

MRS. LAVENDER: Or California.

JUDGE KELLY: -- or California. And so I don't know if I'd rather be the custodian of the money until we decide what we have to do with it rather than giving it back to the government to spend it on values that we in Kerr County don't agree with. So --

COMMISSIONER BELEW: And any spending of it would have to be done in Commissioners' Court so you'll be able to see it and know it.

róisín_dubh

(12,068 posts)
4. If I said what I thought...
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 08:24 AM
Thursday

I’d get banned. I feel sorry for the people who died. But the politicians and residents on that transcript can go fuck themselves with rusty pikes.
From a former resident if California and a native of New Jersey

Mr. Evil

(3,348 posts)
18. This is the sum total of their precious fucking "values."
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 11:01 AM
Thursday

If it's white, then it's alright. That's it.

Fuck them! Sick sadistic dumb motherfuckers!

marble falls

(66,999 posts)
5. Order of power in a Texas County (too close to the Louisianna model for comfort) ...
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 08:28 AM
Thursday

... County Judge who might also be county coroner), County Commissioners, Sheriff. They walk lockstep, they're always white, they're also wealthy, from particular families. These are the real 'good ol' boys'.

rampartd

(2,183 posts)
28. if everyone in town works for the same factory
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 04:40 AM
Friday

the local manager of that corporation wields extensive power over public policy..

NJCher

(40,678 posts)
6. The hatred....
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 08:30 AM
Thursday

In these comments is breathtaking.

So worried that money might go to a place like NJ, CA, or NY, let alone spend it to protect their children.

róisín_dubh

(12,068 posts)
21. I'll never forget or forgive those bastards...
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 11:28 AM
Thursday

who voted against relief for northeastern states after Sandy. Never. I've lived in tornado alley and every goddamn spring, politicians there go crying with their hands out to the federal government and then turn around and fuck over "blue" states whose tax revenues save their sorry asses. I grew up in an area devastated by Sandy.

Sorry if that makes me sound like a regional elitist or like I'm shitting on those who live in Red states- I've lived in a few and I get it. But the rage I have at these assholes is off the charts.

mwmisses4289

(1,516 posts)
8. What only a few articles that are reporting on this are mentioning,
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 09:19 AM
Thursday

is that on Wednesday July 2, the NWS issued a flash flood watch for that area, which they then upgraded to a flash flood warning on Thursday, July 3, and sent out their first alert at 1:14 a.m. July 4. That alert was basically ignored by at least one county, posibly other counties in the warned area, until almost 5a.m. July 4, by which point, it was too late.

NJCher

(40,678 posts)
10. pic of Paul Yura at this link
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 10:06 AM
Thursday
Williamson County Emergency Management honored by National Weather Service
By Nalani Nuylan on Thursday, March 7, 2024

The Williamson County Commissioners Court recognized the county’s Office of Emergency Management for being designated as a StormReady community by the National Weather Service during the March 5 commissioners court meeting. To be certified by the National Weather S...

Farmer-Rick

(11,866 posts)
11. Musk and the idiot Nazis in control of our federal government
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 10:10 AM
Thursday

Are using very typical corporate capitalist methods to run the government. They are merely using very common corporate management techniques that capitalist use to make profits off newly acquired businesses. They are treating government like a business.

The problem is that the consequences of stupid mistakes in business are not the same as stupid mistakes in government. If connections to a social media platform are bad, no one dies. If you get a pair of shoes that fall apart in a month, it won't kill you. But bad decisions in government because of poor training, mass layoffs that reduce your workforce to a ghost ship, and poor planning can and does kill people.

We need to put more democracy in corporate capitalism and not more capitalism in our democracy. This is why feudalism, dictatorships and oligarchies eventually turns their citizenry into poverty stricken drudges. The idiots in power think it's a business for them to make money off of.

calimary

(87,040 posts)
13. The "brought in extra staff that night" part.
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 10:32 AM
Thursday

Well, thanks to all those shrewd trump budget cuts, THAT’S one thing we won’t have to worry about anymore! Gee, THANKS, donald!

mdbl

(6,907 posts)
14. And the magat US Govt doesn't give a shit
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 10:35 AM
Thursday

They will just blame someone else or use some other dumb distraction.

Mr. Ected

(9,703 posts)
15. I can't imagine Paul Yura's current state of mind
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 10:37 AM
Thursday

Though his departure was entirely due to the Trump administration's policies and Elon Musk's DOGE attack, this man probably realizes that many of these deaths could have been avoided had he simply been allowed to carry on his work as he had before. That's quite a burden for one's conscience.

rubbersole

(10,096 posts)
22. He should have a very clear conscience.
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 06:01 PM
Thursday

As should air traffic controllers and any other competent public servant who tsf/putin/musk/heritage foundation, etc. fucked over for their billionaires' dream world.
The 'Administrative State' exists for the betterment of society. Destroying it only benefits the uber-wealthy.

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msongs

(71,790 posts)
25. I am going camping in the flood plain of a known killer river. Don't care about flood watches or warnings. No problemo
Thu Jul 10, 2025, 08:51 PM
Thursday

JT45242

(3,481 posts)
29. Afraid of the lawsuits and angry his name and his donors names will be on them
Fri Jul 11, 2025, 04:58 AM
Friday

The wrongful death lawsuits associated with this should bankrupt a lot of politicians in Texas if there is any justice.

Lily white camp full of white girls just might get justice rather than "just us" that some other members of the community might get from a jury.

Abbott is an asshole. But he was likely following the advice of his lawyers to refuse to assign blame before the lawsuits are filed. Of course, the lawyers probably didn't tell him to do it in the most despicable, arrogant way that won't play well with a jury. "It's far too early for that. We will conduct a root means analysis after a full investigation." That's what his lawyers would have preferred and it at least would have made him look human rather than some cartoon villain.

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