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sop

(13,407 posts)
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:09 PM Yesterday

11 Bluesky texts from Senator Chris Murphy, posted overnight to explain what Trump's tariffs are really all about:

1/ Those trying to understand the tariffs as economic policy are dangerously naïve. No, tariffs are a tool to collapse our democracy. A means to compel loyalty from every business that will need to petition Trump for relief.

2/ This week you will read many confused economists and political pundits who won't understand how the tariffs make economic sense. That's because they don't. They aren't designed as economic policy. The tariffs are simply a new, super dangerous political tool.

3/ You see, our founders created a President with limited and checked powers. They specifically put the power of spending and taxation in the hands of the legislature. Why?
Because they watched how kings and despots used spending and taxes to control their subjects.

4/ British kings used taxation to reward loyalty and punish dissent. Our own revolution was spurred by the King's use of heavy taxation of the colonies to punish our push for self-governance. The King's message was simple: stop protesting and I'll stop taxing.

5/ Trump knows that he can weaken (and maybe destroy) democracy by using spending and taxation in the same way. He is using access to government funds to bully universities, law firms and state and local governments into loyalty pledges.

6/ Healthy democracies rely on an independent legal profession to maintain the rule of law, independent universities to guard objective truth and provide forums for dissent to authority, and independent state/local government to counterbalance a powerful federal government.

7/ But the private sector also plays a rule to protect democracy. Independent industry has power. The tariffs are Trump's tool to erode that independence. Now, one by one, every industry or company will need to pledge loyalty to Trump in order to get sanctions relief.

8/ What could Trump demand as part of a quiet loyalty pledge? Public shows of support from executives for all his economic policy. Contributions to his political efforts. Promises to police employees' support for his political opposition.

9/ The tariffs are DESIGNED to create economic hardship. Why? So that Trump has a straight face rationale for releasing them, business by business or industry by industry. As he adjusts or grants relief, it's a win-win: the economy improves and dissent disappears.

10/ And once Trump has the lawyers, colleges and industry under his thumb, it becomes very hard for the opposition to have any viable space to maneuver. Trump didn't invent this strategy. It's the playbook for democratically elected leaders who want to stay in power forever.

11/ The tariffs aren't economic policy. They are political weapons. But as long as we see this clearly, we can stop him. Public mobilization is working. Today, a few Republicans joined Democrats to vote against one set of tariffs.

The people still have the power.

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11 Bluesky texts from Senator Chris Murphy, posted overnight to explain what Trump's tariffs are really all about: (Original Post) sop Yesterday OP
Pump and dump enid602 Yesterday #1
Or tank stocks to buy them cheaply. Chemical Bill Yesterday #17
Trump is using the tariffs to get control of the US. Irish_Dem Yesterday #2
Great analysis by Sen Murphy. + reminder of our power nt delisen Yesterday #3
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Yesterday #4
Congress could undo ALL of this tomorrow if they chose to. Scrivener7 Yesterday #5
If only we had a Legislative branch in government! n/t leftstreet 22 hrs ago #24
Mike Johnson is blocking it flamingdem 18 hrs ago #34
"every industry or company will need to pledge loyalty to Trump"." Australians were talking about this yesterday Demovictory9 Yesterday #6
The Aussies also told him to fuck off PortTack 8 hrs ago #42
That is 100% correct, and once the game is public knowledge bucolic_frolic Yesterday #7
Where is the something being done and where can i see it? Terry_M Yesterday #10
As I see it, we are stuck with Trump for four years. Lonestarblue 11 hrs ago #40
Vance will not be worse-- he doesn't control the cult. But otherwise it is all terrible, especially the loss of science LymphocyteLover 6 hrs ago #45
I see this as key birdographer 1 hr ago #50
This is really good interpretation.... hlthe2b Yesterday #8
Murphy gets it. dem4decades Yesterday #9
Yep ibegurpard Yesterday #11
Really Good Analysis CitizenZero Yesterday #12
thanks for this stillcool Yesterday #13
Hear the people sing Gray Champion Yesterday #14
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote 2 hrs ago #49
I like how he referenced the revolutionary times crud Yesterday #15
Great Post! Thank You!!! MayReasonRule Yesterday #16
This is critical information. Concise, to the point, and easily understood by everyone (well, almost everyone). wordstroken Yesterday #18
Absolutely correct. He is trying to cause as much damage as possible relayerbob 23 hrs ago #19
Small businesses will KT2000 23 hrs ago #20
While the points may be true, I think that to 47 it is simpler than that. pat_k 23 hrs ago #21
I would love to know how involved he is babylonsister 22 hrs ago #25
Krugman had a similar, if more straightforward, analysis. Martin68 23 hrs ago #22
Just went to Bluesky and read the thread.. Diabolical.. Trump isn't smart enough to figure this out Joinfortmill 23 hrs ago #23
A keeper for sure! calimary 22 hrs ago #26
And an even scarier possibility about his rise to 'absolute power'... LaRaven 22 hrs ago #27
Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein retread 22 hrs ago #28
Good Book CitizenZero 21 hrs ago #29
K&R n/t Alice Kramden 20 hrs ago #30
He wants the world leaders on their Figarosmom 20 hrs ago #31
Most if not all will not go along. China, Canada, Australia and all of the EU other than Trkiye and Hungary are nos PortTack 8 hrs ago #43
Baron von Trumphausen WhatTheFlux 20 hrs ago #32
KNR and bokmarking. niyad 18 hrs ago #33
Kick and rec LiberalLovinLug 18 hrs ago #35
Simply, that thing in the White House is attacking us. Six117 13 hrs ago #36
My senator is getting lots of good press lately...dare I hope he aspires to higher office? CTyankee 13 hrs ago #37
Kick for the morning crows n/t malaise 13 hrs ago #38
EXACTLY. Tariffs are EXTORTION. Martin Eden 12 hrs ago #39
K&R WestMichRad 10 hrs ago #41
His Point #4 is ahistoric. malthaussen 6 hrs ago #44
I think history is full of examples of rulers using taxation as a punishment LymphocyteLover 5 hrs ago #47
I think this is possible but the problem I see is that how many entities affected will really be able to negotiate with LymphocyteLover 5 hrs ago #46
I'm really digging Murphy these days, but... returnee 2 hrs ago #48

enid602

(9,259 posts)
1. Pump and dump
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:16 PM
Yesterday

12: the on again, off again way that Trump has threatened and applied (and will no doubt continue to adjust) these tariffs have presented him and his cronies many opportunities to ‘pump and dump’ stocks. Should make billions.

Chemical Bill

(2,732 posts)
17. Or tank stocks to buy them cheaply.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:30 PM
Yesterday

Or bet stocks will fall and then make them.

He (they) can make lots of money from this.

Demovictory9

(35,067 posts)
6. "every industry or company will need to pledge loyalty to Trump"." Australians were talking about this yesterday
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:24 PM
Yesterday

that they understood Trump's psychology. he wants to be seen as the power, the one you have to go crawling to.

Discussion on Australian news yesterday.

bucolic_frolic

(49,535 posts)
7. That is 100% correct, and once the game is public knowledge
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:33 PM
Yesterday

some plans can be made to do something about it, the people know what's going on, they pressure their representatives, the media might even report it here or there. Also our (former) allies are helping us by shunning this entire fiasco. This has been a blitzkrieg for some reason. If Trump had done this slowly it's possible few would have noticed, but this is shock treatment.

Nonetheless, BlueSky is not exactly something seen by all, so work must be done.

Terry_M

(789 posts)
10. Where is the something being done and where can i see it?
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:45 PM
Yesterday

It seems like this situation will start causing harm quickly.
Seems like one swift way to block most of the devolution would be for other countries to start sanctioning or fully banning future business with companies that and business leaders that play ball here.
If bezos buys trump coin to ease china sanctions, great for him. Sanction amazon in your own country. If amazon can pay into trump's coffers, they can pay Canada or France too.

Lonestarblue

(12,508 posts)
40. As I see it, we are stuck with Trump for four years.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 09:16 AM
11 hrs ago

Republicans would not impeach him if he declared the Constitution null and void and declared himself king. He could then issue his own charter for the US, most of which has already been written by the Heritage Foundation as Project 2025.

I’m not sure we should be hoping for his impeachment because Vance could be even worse. He is totally in the pockets of the tech billionaires and the Heritage Foundation nihilists. And all they plan to create is an oligarchy ruled by wealthy white men whose religious views belong in the 1800s.

I fear we are in for a rough four years with no idea what will be left standing and what will be destroyed beyond repair for generations to come. Our scientific community comes to mind. Established scientists are taking jobs in Canada and other countries, but many fewer younger scientists and doctoral students are being trained because there is no money. One commenter to a NYT piece said no problem, the billionaires will simply step up and fund private research, which is a problem. They will fund no basic research that the NIH funds, only the research they can monetize. We are losing a decade at least of future scientists.

LymphocyteLover

(7,673 posts)
45. Vance will not be worse-- he doesn't control the cult. But otherwise it is all terrible, especially the loss of science
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:34 PM
6 hrs ago

my profession

birdographer

(2,897 posts)
50. I see this as key
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 06:57 PM
1 hr ago

We need the other countries to cease all business and trade with companies that kneel to trump. Let those companies be stuck with only doing business in the US, and we have active lists of who they are and we will also refuse to do business with them. Therefore, show all the loyalty you want to trump, but your business will fail miserably as a result. Everything trump touches dies, and that will not be changing any time soon.

ibegurpard

(17,028 posts)
11. Yep
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 07:51 PM
Yesterday

Someone's been whispering in Trump's ear to prop up his obsession with tariffs but this is the real play

crud

(948 posts)
15. I like how he referenced the revolutionary times
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:15 PM
Yesterday

No taxation without representation. With tariffs and pardons he claims a kings power.

wordstroken

(935 posts)
18. This is critical information. Concise, to the point, and easily understood by everyone (well, almost everyone).
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:31 PM
Yesterday

Excellent job, Senator Murphy. Let’s hope this message gets out there.

Thanks for posting, sop!

relayerbob

(7,133 posts)
19. Absolutely correct. He is trying to cause as much damage as possible
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 08:54 PM
23 hrs ago

And force the American people to their knees in front of him.

pat_k

(11,085 posts)
21. While the points may be true, I think that to 47 it is simpler than that.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:12 PM
23 hrs ago

Last edited Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:12 PM - Edit history (2)

Yes, 47 undoubtedly recognizes his tariffs can be leveraged to bring the powerful to heel, but I don't think that is what is driving his obsession with them.

47 is simpleminded. Taxing great wealth and income to benefit the common weal is an affront to him. His obsession with tax cuts is driving his obsession with tariffs. To him, tariffs represent massive federal revenue. That's all. He has no vision of using tariffs as economic policy. He just sees dollar signs. He views the federal government coffers as the president’s personal piggy bank from which he can dole out benefits to those he sees as peers (other rich guys). That's it. He doesn't care what it does to the economy. In his head, any loss in GDP is just being sucked into the federal coffers. Then it's "his" money to hand out in massive tax cuts for the wealthy.

The worthwhile people (those with great wealth) must keep “their” money (never mind they couldn’t make that money without the support of the public sector, educated workforce, infrastructure, and on and on). No one and nothing else matters.

In his pea brain, the fact his tariffs probably represent the most massive and regressive tax increase in history is a feature, not a bug.

I think he has the same view toward the so-called "savings" from decimating the executive branch. Never mind that the operations of executive agencies represent a very small fraction of the federal budget (don't know who coined it, but from a budgetary perspective, the U.S. government is basically an insurance company with an army). He doesn't care. He sees dollar signs. It’s “his” money and he is absolutely confident “his” Congress with go along with whatever he wants to do with it.

babylonsister

(171,949 posts)
25. I would love to know how involved he is
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:48 PM
22 hrs ago

in our current reality and who's really calling the shots.

Joinfortmill

(17,710 posts)
23. Just went to Bluesky and read the thread.. Diabolical.. Trump isn't smart enough to figure this out
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:33 PM
23 hrs ago

So, who is behind this? Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation? This is damn scary, people.

LaRaven

(115 posts)
27. And an even scarier possibility about his rise to 'absolute power'...
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:03 PM
22 hrs ago

he could appoint an ‘heir’ to the throne.

Figarosmom

(5,042 posts)
31. He wants the world leaders on their
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:19 AM
20 hrs ago

Knees before him, begging him to deal with them, when they wouldn't before. It's worldwide extortion.

PortTack

(35,461 posts)
43. Most if not all will not go along. China, Canada, Australia and all of the EU other than Trkiye and Hungary are nos
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:13 PM
8 hrs ago

Which they are so broke, not sure they have money to buy their way out of tariffs

Six117

(262 posts)
36. Simply, that thing in the White House is attacking us.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 06:49 AM
13 hrs ago

The United States of America is under attack by domestic enemies.

CTyankee

(65,912 posts)
37. My senator is getting lots of good press lately...dare I hope he aspires to higher office?
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:09 AM
13 hrs ago

I'd like to see that. He's a really great Senator and should be supported by all good Dems.

Martin Eden

(14,073 posts)
39. EXACTLY. Tariffs are EXTORTION.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:52 AM
12 hrs ago

These tariffs are the tool of a despot, the purpose of which is to compel obedience to his demands.

LymphocyteLover

(7,673 posts)
46. I think this is possible but the problem I see is that how many entities affected will really be able to negotiate with
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:36 PM
5 hrs ago

the WH? It doesn't seem practical except for a few special insiders. That means the vast majority of businesses are screwed

returnee

(475 posts)
48. I'm really digging Murphy these days, but...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 05:46 PM
2 hrs ago

…he and many are missing what I thing is a slightly bigger picture item: helping Putin.
Russia got no tariffs despite a substantial trade imbalance. Given the enormity of TSF tariffs move, I consider it a huge tell that Russia was spared. Even the penguins got tariffed but not Russia. Add this to all his other pro-Putin moves, the specter of SERIOUS kompromat raises its ugly head once again. And not just with TSF but all the other politicians who once rightly castigated TSF then switched sides abruptly. This includes any number of the current maga Kongress rats, 2/3 of Scotus, but also Manchin, Sinema, and now Fetterman, and I wouldn’t necessarily exclude Schumer and others. I suspect Putin’s got TSF by the neck and kompromat shit flows downhill fast in the digital era. When TSF says, “Russia, Russia, Russia,” he means it.

To me, this pulls it all together.
YMMV.

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