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underpants

(189,686 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:20 PM Wednesday

I moved my 401K type plan into bonds today

I was in a 2030 plan that was 67% in stocks. Returns suck across the board.

Talking to our retirement rep today I figured bonds would be safer.
50% in a Retirement portfolio that’s 65% bonds
50% in an Inflation protection plan that 97% bonds and then cash.

Not a huge balance. Sort of a cash in the backyard thing for me to dip into when I retire (about 10 - 15 years from now). Maybe a couple trips or some unexpected car repair or something like that. I have Soc. Security* and a defined benefit pension.

* 🤞

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I moved my 401K type plan into bonds today (Original Post) underpants Wednesday OP
DOW futures are down 2.7% gab13by13 Wednesday #1
Smart man. Ellipsis Wednesday #2
People are worried about stagflation gab13by13 Wednesday #3
I didn't touch our portfolio... WarGamer Wednesday #4
Ditto central scrutinizer Wednesday #10
In fact... I might even add-in to our port if we see discount prices in the next few months. WarGamer Wednesday #11
What a strategy: catch a falling knife. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #16
Because everything is normal & normal indicators apply & normal patterns apply? Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #15
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver 7 hrs ago #22
I am currently doing a government money market fund anciano Wednesday #5
I moved a large percent into 3 and 5 year funds with guaranteed 4.5 and 5% respectively in Dec and late Jan. MLAA Wednesday #6
My financial advisor has done pretty much the PoindexterOglethorpe Wednesday #7
I was just talking to people at one account today Meowmee Wednesday #8
Royal Bank Canada and BMO (Bank of Montreal) have Canadian funds available in US dollars, and US operations Bernardo de La Paz Wednesday #17
Yes I know thanks 😁 Meowmee Wednesday #20
If I had that long before retirement I would have stayed invested in stocks, esp dividend paying stocks. beaglelover Wednesday #9
Smart move. Will be a rough 3-4 months for any Krasnov portfolio. bucolic_frolic Wednesday #12
I moved them into Money Market not long ago. Earthrise Wednesday #13
You're lucky to have a defined pension plan, they mostly did away with those years ago ... cliffside Wednesday #14
I'm not too far from retirement age, so I've got significant exposure to bonds, and I'll tell you... LudwigPastorius Wednesday #18
Probably a good move. radius777 Wednesday #19
Longer term charts SPX and consolidation periods ... cliffside 23 hrs ago #21

gab13by13

(27,397 posts)
3. People are worried about stagflation
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:32 PM
Wednesday

I’m thinking maybe deflationary. With massive unemployment who will have money?

WarGamer

(16,733 posts)
4. I didn't touch our portfolio...
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:34 PM
Wednesday

I invest in the long term and think the next "all time high" will be within the next 12 months.

Go long.

central scrutinizer

(12,523 posts)
10. Ditto
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:56 PM
Wednesday

I’ve never tinkered with my investments. I bought into a socially responsible mutual fund thirty years ago and it’s averaged 10% over that time.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,892 posts)
15. Because everything is normal & normal indicators apply & normal patterns apply?
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:11 PM
Wednesday

Most on DU have noticed that the situation is very abnormal with contractionary pressures in labour, government spending, and tariffs are all operating simultaneously.

Good luck If you have any wisdom for why you think stocks will make a new high within twelve months, I'm all ears. You think business will shrug off a little bit of tariffs and contract cancellations and invest heavily in new plant here because of tRump's tariff? You buy tRump's statement that manufacturing will increase dramatically in the US very very soon? You buy his claim there will be no pain (or on other days he says little pain)?

I can't advise anybody, but I can say I got completely out of stocks early January.

Response to WarGamer (Reply #4)

anciano

(1,739 posts)
5. I am currently doing a government money market fund
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:37 PM
Wednesday

and a high yield savings account. At my age (77) I no longer have the proverbial "long run" to ride out the market ups and downs.
Good luck and best wishes.

MLAA

(19,055 posts)
6. I moved a large percent into 3 and 5 year funds with guaranteed 4.5 and 5% respectively in Dec and late Jan.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:39 PM
Wednesday

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,643 posts)
7. My financial advisor has done pretty much the
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:46 PM
Wednesday

same thing for me this past year. I'm still taking out 4%, and the money is growing.

I need to have a conversation with him about spending down as much as possible while I am alive. My one son, known here as My Son The Astronomer has had the wonderful good fortune to have been gifted money by his wealthy paternal grandparents. He's also inherited from at least two relatives who have passed away themselves.

I often joke that someone should go after him for his money.

Meowmee

(8,210 posts)
8. I was just talking to people at one account today
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:52 PM
Wednesday

And will be doing something similar this week. I made a contribution to my roth ira and put it in a federal money market account with 4% returns, instead of the mutual fund, and I will be changing the balance after talking to a bond adviser tomorrow to 50% /50%. If you're really worried you can put all the money into a federal money market account as it will be safe there. But they told me even bonds will not be totally safe. This account has recouped some of the loss in December. The other one I need to do that soon too. 10% loss so far in both accounts.

I wanted to buy into a Canadian Government bond fund but they did not have that and I don't know if US government bonds are safe now. For some reason in the first account I never diversified it to some bonds which I should have done.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,892 posts)
17. Royal Bank Canada and BMO (Bank of Montreal) have Canadian funds available in US dollars, and US operations
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:15 PM
Wednesday

If you invest or want to invest, you can talk to their advisors too.

Meowmee

(8,210 posts)
20. Yes I know thanks 😁
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:34 PM
Wednesday

We are going to do that too. Some is already there from my father but it hasn't been probated yet. I have to start that. It is not easy to do and we had to wait for the US probate first for 2-3 years. The lawyer was crazy, delayed everything, and was disbarred towards the end, then he became very ill. There is still so much to do. When that is done that will go right back into those same bonds.
But this fund here is American and he said they have no Canadian bond funds... I will ask again when I talk to the specialist tomorrow.

Kicking myself for many reasons over hiring him instead of a lawyer a friend recommended who would have got it done quickly and a lot cheaper etc.

beaglelover

(4,225 posts)
9. If I had that long before retirement I would have stayed invested in stocks, esp dividend paying stocks.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:53 PM
Wednesday

bucolic_frolic

(49,516 posts)
12. Smart move. Will be a rough 3-4 months for any Krasnov portfolio.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:14 PM
Wednesday

I may bail on a few things, but I'm ok.

Earthrise

(15,731 posts)
13. I moved them into Money Market not long ago.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:10 PM
Wednesday

I remember coworkers nearing retirement who saw their retirement account drop by 1/3 during Bush’s recession.

cliffside

(862 posts)
14. You're lucky to have a defined pension plan, they mostly did away with those years ago ...
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:03 PM
Wednesday

if one has enough gains hiding out for a bit is not a bad idea. I lucked out in late 1999/early 2000 and started reading about markets, technical analysis, bought the Edwards and Magee book, patterns of accumulation and distribution etc. I remember the day vividly, 3/31/2000, end of quarter window dressing when I sold our entire IRA account and closed the computer with a smile on my face. The market had already gone up 20% for a few years, not normal in historical terms, then waited for 2+ years to reinvest. Lost lots of sleep, we did not have a defined pension plan, so it was a wild ride.

'Investing for the long term' depends on where one is in their life cycle, how much they have saved/gained. During that time Peter Lynch, of the Magellan fund, and maybe others, told people to hang in there. My thoughts went to those who were nearing retirement. If you are young the market will go up eventually and you are averaging down if contributing on a regular basis, if one is older and has nice gains then pay more attention.

Best of luck!



LudwigPastorius

(12,036 posts)
18. I'm not too far from retirement age, so I've got significant exposure to bonds, and I'll tell you...
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:26 PM
Wednesday

I worry that Trump, being the complete moron and Putin agent he is, will order the Treasury to default on bond payments. That way, in his twisted mind, he'll screw foreign debt holders and "erase" the deficit.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/trump-second-term-less-risk-averse-could-try-to-default-on-us-debt-by-william-l-silber-2024-04

radius777

(3,917 posts)
19. Probably a good move.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:31 PM
Wednesday

The market 'always going up' was based upon a post WWII global order that Trump is dismantling. Especially the post 2008/post GFC order. What Trump is doing is at odds with the recommendations of most economists on both the left and right. Safe haven assets like treasuries, money markets and gold etf's are probably the best bet at this point.

cliffside

(862 posts)
21. Longer term charts SPX and consolidation periods ...
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:25 AM
23 hrs ago

not making any predictions, but over history the markets do go up, but there are also long periods of consolidation and drawdowns that should be respected. Moving past the 1929 period, just look at the periods of the late 60's- early 80's and then 2000 high to low in 2009. The SPX did not reach the 2000 high until January 2013. Looking at historical charts help.

https://www.tradingview.com/x/daaedugc/

https://www.tradingview.com/x/lOfRYoTs/



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