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Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:38 PM 20 hrs ago

The Senate Resolution on the Canadian Tariffs just passed!

A big win for Democrats!

Trump tried to bully the Republicans into voting NO but it didn't work. They stood firm and voted with the Democrats.

On this one issue - good job by Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell, Susan Collins & Lisa Murkowski.
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/senate-vote-tariffs-republicans-trump/index.html

Four Senate Republicans join with Democrats to rebuke Trump tariff policy in key vote

Four Senate Republicans joined with Democrats on Wednesday to deliver a rare bipartisan rebuke to President Donald Trump over trade policy.

The Senate adopted a resolution by a vote of 51 to 48 aimed at blocking the Trump administration’s proposed tariffs on Canadian imports. The four Republicans who voted with Democrats were: Sens. Rand Paul, who cosponsored the resolution, Susan Collins, Mitch McConnell and Lisa Murkowski.

The move amounts to rare bipartisan pushback against Trump in the GOP-led Senate and comes after Trump criticized the measure and urged Republicans to vote against it.
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The Senate Resolution on the Canadian Tariffs just passed! (Original Post) Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago OP
Now it needs to pass the House Nictuku 20 hrs ago #1
Pass it in the House and PO'd Moses Mike will send them home for another vacation Bengus81 20 hrs ago #10
He'll never allow to get a vote Diraven 20 hrs ago #14
He's broke the rule a couple of times so I guess it will be must see TV. Bengus81 19 hrs ago #18
There is a path. There is a need for Republicans who want their legislative power back to be involved, however. Gore1FL 19 hrs ago #19
House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy. Wiz Imp 19 hrs ago #33
Not a fan of this - let the GOP own the tariff fiasco alone. radius777 17 hrs ago #48
Yeah but Dems have to try to stop him or MadameButterfly 6 hrs ago #50
I agree Madame. Sometimes you just have to stand shoulder to shoulder for what's right. patphil 4 hrs ago #52
Senate resolutions do not go to the House. Sneederbunk 19 hrs ago #23
Really? NewDayOranges 19 hrs ago #35
See Post #33 Wiz Imp 19 hrs ago #36
Trump will NEVER sign anything Putin prohibits NotHardly 4 hrs ago #53
Still had to pass the house. let us pray. rich7862 20 hrs ago #2
Links and details, please . lindysalsagal 20 hrs ago #3
Just saw it on a YouTube PBS feed Raven123 20 hrs ago #4
Just watched the actual Roll call vote Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #6
I just edited the original post to link to a CNN article. Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #7
Some of those R Senators who voted for it NEED to twist some arms in the House among the R's... hlthe2b 20 hrs ago #5
Excellent! Now, go FURTHER. calimary 20 hrs ago #8
Senator Kaine implied they would push for a similar resolution for Mexico tariffs if this one passed Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #11
A rebuke? Prairie Gates 20 hrs ago #9
It actually ends the state of emergency declaration against Canada Wiz Imp 20 hrs ago #13
Thanks! That does makes a difference even if he vetoes it Prairie Gates 20 hrs ago #15
It will help when/if Canada takes it to the US courts. Bev54 19 hrs ago #26
Yes, but these were votes on issues not the issue bucolic_frolic 20 hrs ago #12
Excellent news. Even if nothing comes of this, it's crucially important Mike 03 20 hrs ago #16
Interesting both Kentucky Senators were on board SSJVegeta 19 hrs ago #17
Libertarians tend to be anti-tariff Tommy Carcetti 19 hrs ago #20
Well its nice to see he still has hobbies standing in for his principles. SSJVegeta 19 hrs ago #21
Kentucky Bourbon sales fall off is killing Kentucky. bronxiteforever 19 hrs ago #25
Color me surprised! calimary 19 hrs ago #28
Kentucky bourbon trade. AllyCat 19 hrs ago #31
Libertarianism is a childish ideology. biocube 18 hrs ago #43
Bourbon. Canadians drink it. marybourg 18 hrs ago #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Sneederbunk 19 hrs ago #22
I am still amazed RJ-MacReady 19 hrs ago #24
Why was Paul for it? Renew Deal 19 hrs ago #27
Kentucky bourbon. LisaM 19 hrs ago #29
Makes sense Renew Deal 18 hrs ago #37
No more sales of US booze in Canada for the foreseeable future RazorbackExpat 18 hrs ago #38
Paul is strongly anti-tariff in general Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #39
Wow. But only a resolution? AllyCat 19 hrs ago #30
It does have teeth Wiz Imp 19 hrs ago #32
Okay, thank you. I missed that. AllyCat 19 hrs ago #34
do they have a veto proof majority? AlexSFCA 18 hrs ago #40
Unfortunately No Wiz Imp 18 hrs ago #41
not really, effectively dems are helping those repubs keep their senate seats AlexSFCA 18 hrs ago #45
Sheeesh. People complain and complain that Democrats aren't doing enough Wiz Imp 17 hrs ago #46
Agree, Dems should have no part of this. radius777 17 hrs ago #49
Rand Paul and Mitch had to vote that way Green Line 18 hrs ago #44
Rand Paul has a consistent history of strongly opposing tariffs Wiz Imp 17 hrs ago #47
Fuck those Republicans AKwannabe 4 hrs ago #51
Screw all four of them. They brought Mango Jebus to the ball and are now just sitting out a dance. marble falls 3 hrs ago #54

Gore1FL

(22,356 posts)
19. There is a path. There is a need for Republicans who want their legislative power back to be involved, however.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:21 PM
19 hrs ago

I don't know if there are enough.

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
33. House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:08 PM
19 hrs ago
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/senate-vote-tariffs-republicans-trump/index.html

House GOP leaders are not expected to take up any efforts to rebuke Trump over tariff policy – and even moved earlier this year to prohibit such a move. But House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy.

Rep. Greg Meeks of New York, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said on Wednesday that he plans to introduce a privileged resolution to force a vote over tariffs, a procedural move that can be used to bypass leadership and force floor votes.

radius777

(3,917 posts)
48. Not a fan of this - let the GOP own the tariff fiasco alone.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:05 PM
17 hrs ago

Dems should just step aside and let Trump/GOP destroy themselves. When the economy tanks as a result of his tariffs - only then will voters have clarity on how terrible Trump is. Polls showed that voters believed the economy was Trump's strong point. Should that advantage erode, it's curtains for Orange Man.

MadameButterfly

(2,728 posts)
50. Yeah but Dems have to try to stop him or
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:50 AM
6 hrs ago

they show themselves helpless against his assault on democracy and everything else.

Not everyone will survive these tarriffs and to ask them to sacrifice their livelihoods to make a point isn't fair.
We shouldn't fear that it won't be bad enough under Trump. It will be. We have to mitigate the damage where we can.

patphil

(7,600 posts)
52. I agree Madame. Sometimes you just have to stand shoulder to shoulder for what's right.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:31 AM
4 hrs ago

This is how you rally the electorate. Challenge Republicans in the House to stand up like the 4 did in the Senate. There isn't a down side to this, even if we lose, we win. Besides, we're going to need Republicans to stand up to Trump at some point.
Blocking tariffs is a very popular rallying point with citizens of all parties, and is a good starting point in generating majorities to reign in Trump's imperial presidency.

NewDayOranges

(737 posts)
35. Really?
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:09 PM
19 hrs ago

I would not be surprised that a Canadian knows how US government works better than the average US citizen...

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
6. Just watched the actual Roll call vote
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:46 PM
20 hrs ago

Will post a link to a news story as soon as I find one from mainstream outlet.

hlthe2b

(108,915 posts)
5. Some of those R Senators who voted for it NEED to twist some arms in the House among the R's...
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:41 PM
20 hrs ago

I'd hate to see it die there, but without a lot of push...

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
11. Senator Kaine implied they would push for a similar resolution for Mexico tariffs if this one passed
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:56 PM
20 hrs ago

So I think we will see that next.

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
13. It actually ends the state of emergency declaration against Canada
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:00 PM
20 hrs ago

which Trump used as pretense for invoking the tariffs. It has teeth. Unfortunately, Trump will veto if the House passes, but it still is a huge victory and sends a strong message that multiple Republicans are not going to be rubber stamps for Trump on tariffs.

Prairie Gates

(4,689 posts)
15. Thanks! That does makes a difference even if he vetoes it
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:11 PM
20 hrs ago

They are normalizing functional opposition to his weirder claims.

bucolic_frolic

(49,509 posts)
12. Yes, but these were votes on issues not the issue
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:59 PM
20 hrs ago

Whiskey and Bourbon, proximity to Canada. And ME AK have a lot of Canadians and probably family ties, more so than any other states.

So it's a good vote, but not a breakdown along ideological lines.

Mike 03

(18,314 posts)
16. Excellent news. Even if nothing comes of this, it's crucially important
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:15 PM
20 hrs ago

that Canada understand that the vast majority of Americans want nothing to do with Trump's abuse of their country, and that we have enormous affection for Canada and its citizens and are aware that our president is an out-of-control, demented lunatic.

SSJVegeta

(237 posts)
17. Interesting both Kentucky Senators were on board
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:17 PM
19 hrs ago

Rand Paul was definitely not on my bingo card of defectors.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,830 posts)
20. Libertarians tend to be anti-tariff
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:25 PM
19 hrs ago

As a tariff is a tax and any type of tax (whether good or bad) is anathema to libertarians.

Paul fashions himself a libertarian of sorts.

It's a broken clock moment.

calimary

(85,674 posts)
28. Color me surprised!
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:50 PM
19 hrs ago

I didn't expect to see ANYTHING good from Rand Paul.

What got into him?

biocube

(41 posts)
43. Libertarianism is a childish ideology.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:11 PM
18 hrs ago

But he and Ron have always been consistent on their principles.

Response to Wiz Imp (Original post)

RJ-MacReady

(296 posts)
24. I am still amazed
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:31 PM
19 hrs ago

At Mitch McConnell he bears the lions share of the blame for trump not going away and now he thinks he can make it right? I mean by all means speak out but where was this in 2021? Its because he is retiring and no longer cares. Which means all this time he hated trump and what he was doing but stood by for his own power. The redemption arc is a tough sell for me.

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
39. Paul is strongly anti-tariff in general
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:24 PM
18 hrs ago

It's one of the few issues where he has reasonable thoughts...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-braces-potential-defeat-trump-181932167.html

“Trade is a good thing. Trade is proportional to prosperity, and so tariffs are bad economically,” he said. “It’s a terrible idea to run a country by emergency where representatives to vote on raising or lowering taxes.”

Paul said tariffs “are bad for the country, bad for prosperity, bad for the economy.”

“Our Constitution was very specific that taxes — tariffs are a tax — taxes originate in the House, come to the Senate and then go the president,” he said. “They don’t just go to the president and no one else. What kind of system would it be if all of our taxes and laws were passed by one person?”

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
32. It does have teeth
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:05 PM
19 hrs ago
S.J. Res. 37; A joint resolution terminating the national emergency declared to impose duties on articles imported from Canada.


Trump can only legally impose tariffs on Canada due to the emergency declaration so this resolution would end Trump's ability to to unilaterally impose the tariffs. That's a big deal.

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
41. Unfortunately No
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:55 PM
18 hrs ago

SO if this does pass the House, Trump will surely veto it. Regardless, it's still significant to show that there a multiple Republicans who do not support Trump's unilateral tariff policies.

AlexSFCA

(6,296 posts)
45. not really, effectively dems are helping those repubs keep their senate seats
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:15 PM
18 hrs ago

as they can claim during reelection that they voted against tariffs.

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
46. Sheeesh. People complain and complain that Democrats aren't doing enough
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:55 PM
17 hrs ago

So Now they pass bipartisan legislation which directly repudiates a Trump policy priority -it's an action of significant substance - pretty much as strong and meaningful of an action as it is possible for them to take at this point given their minority status across the board, and you still complain.

And this will have no impact on any Republican's election chances. McConnell is retiring, Rand Paul voters aren't going to be pleased he voted with Democrats and Collins & Murkowski are known quantities at this point. This vote will be meaningless to their voters.

radius777

(3,917 posts)
49. Agree, Dems should have no part of this.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:06 PM
17 hrs ago

Just step aside and let the GOP own this mess - and when the economy tanks the voters can find out.

Green Line

(1,130 posts)
44. Rand Paul and Mitch had to vote that way
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:12 PM
18 hrs ago

Because of Kentucky bourbon and Canadian thoroughbred brood mares shipping to Kentucky every year to be bred to the big time Kentucky stallions.

Wiz Imp

(4,576 posts)
47. Rand Paul has a consistent history of strongly opposing tariffs
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:58 PM
17 hrs ago

(It burnishes his credentials as a "libertarian&quot . McConnell is retiring and not going through another election so he can do whatever the hell he wants to do.

marble falls

(64,316 posts)
54. Screw all four of them. They brought Mango Jebus to the ball and are now just sitting out a dance.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:47 PM
3 hrs ago
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