There are no midsize cars made by the big threee domestic automakers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Just saying...

[Scrivener7]

1. Are any of the big 3s cars actually entirely made in the USA? I would be surprised if

this didn't hit their prices hard too.

[MichMan]

4. Can't tell

For many years US and Canadian content is combined under one number.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. There was a Stellantis dealer who said the average monthly payment on a new car will be $175.00

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I don't believe any car is 100% U S made. On edit it will add an additional $175.00. Mea culpa.

[mwmisses4289]

13. $175??

Most of the folks I know who work at dealerships say you can't find anything for less than 5-7 hundred per month.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I meant an additional $175.00. Mea culpa.

[mwmisses4289]

23. Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

[haele]

14. Nope, unless you have 775+ score, $5k down, and it's under $20k.

That's when you can pay $150 a month or so for 5 years.
5 years ago, with average/good credit, my $18k then-new Honda Fit cost me $280 a month for a 5 year term, with military discount, and $4k (from a salvage payment) down.
I don't think there's any new car out there under $20k.
Perhaps the rep was talking about a Lease for, say, a "Smart Car"...

[The Madcap]

57. You are missing a 1

$1,175....at least for those big trucks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. Mea culpa . I expained below. An additional $175.00

[The Madcap]

60. I know

But mine works as well. It was a joke.

[ProfessorGAC]

41. The Correct Answer Is No

Per automobile trade publications, there are no cars 100% made in the US.
It's disingenuous to say that they can't tell. Accounting in big companies doesn't work that way.

[Polybius]

68. No

The closest to 100% American is Tesla.

Tesla EVs are the most made-in-America vehicles, Cars.com reports

Most American-Made Vehicle? The Tesla Model Y

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

2. Cadillac sells one

The CT5.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Would you say Cadillac is a luxury car?

It has a starting price of $49,900.00

[MichMan]

8. Given that the average price of a new car is $48,641 I would say that model is not.

https://caredge.com/guides/new-car-price-trends-in-2025#:~:text=Key%20Takeaways%201%20The%20average%20price%20for%20a,in%20new%20car%20prices%20in%20the%20months%20ahead.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Cadillac is a luxury brand.

That's nearly eighty percent more than the starting price of an Accord or Camry which is $28,000 00. On a five year loan at 7% that's around an additional $450.00 a month.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

11. Sure, but its still a midsized car

And it's starting price, as MichMan pointed out, is basically the avg new car price these days.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. It's not the average price of a midsize car.

A base Camry or Accord will set you back $28,000. On a five year loan that's around $450.00 a month. That's not chump change.

[EdmondDantes_]

12. It's a luxury mid-size sedan

For a mid-size that's a steep price and if it's like other cars, finding the base model is probably hard. But sadly so many Americans want a giant SUV which is a large part of why the US manufacturers don't make many sedans.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. This is disingenuous

It's like saying a Lexus ES 350 or a Mercedes E Class is a midsize car.

[MichMan]

21. How? ; a midsize car refers to the size, not the price.

Otherwise it would be referred to as a mid priced car instead

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Because it's disingenuous to insist Cadillac isn't a luxury brand.

Luxury Mid Size Car =/= Mid Size Car.The base CT5 cost at least $20,000.00 more than a base K 5, Camry, Accord, Altima, MX-5, et cetera. Hell, it cost more than twice as much as the midsized Subaru Legacy.

[flvegan]

28. Did you just call the MX-5 a mid-sized sedan?

The Miata? Really?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Mea Culpa. I meant the Mazda 3, "Really..."

[flvegan]

34. Ah, makes sense. Good car the 3, though I prefer the hatchback.

BTW, for the sake of the original conversation, you can still get a 2025 Chevy Malibu for around $26-27k. Not for long though, as this is the last year I believe.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I was getting confused looking up the prices of several cars.

The Malibu was discontinued. Was 24 or 25 the last year? Yes, the CT5 is a mid sized car that is made in America, but it is a mid sized luxury car with an attendant price. I should have started my thread by saying there are no mid sized cars built in the United States but the luxury mid sized luxury Cadillac CT5 with a starting price of $49,900.00.

[flvegan]

62. 2025 is officially the last year.

The CT5 wouldn't be the best Cadillac example here anyway. The CT4 would be. Still not cheap, but cheaper than the CT5.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

83. The CT4 is a compact, not a midsize car

They are pretty small on the inside. Got stuck in one as a loaner when I had to take our Escalade in for a recall. They ran out of loaner Escalades and XT6's(my Cadillac dealer tries to match you with equivalent loaner vehicles.)

[MichMan]

35. Why, do you own one?

Luxury Mid Sized car by definition is still midsized.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. It's a mid sized luxury car with an attendant price

Would it have been better if I started my thread with this lede- "There are no mid-sized cars made in America except the luxury brand Cadillac CT 5 with a base price of $49,900.00"?

[Mountainguy]

77. 49k gets you the most base CT5, which is a pretty lackluster car for the money according to reviews

You'll have to start pushing 60k to get the better packages

[muriel_volestrangler]

87. Ironically, that has sold 4 times as many in China as in the USA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac_CT5#Sales

The problem is that Americans are hooked on SUVs and pickups. With the fuel consumption problems they bring. And pedestrian fatalities.

[roamer65]

3. Used car prices will surge.

[MayReasonRule]

5. This Is Why We Drive A Mercedes Benz GLE 350 - Incredible Performance - Top Notch Safety -

Currently utilizing FCP Euro for parts, including periodic replacement lubricants and parts to minimize cost. They have a lifetime replacement policy on everything including lubricants, pads, etc.

See how that holds out...

Damned if I know!

[MichMan]

10. If the prices of new parts goes way up, their LRG will only refund in store credits what you paid for them previously

[MayReasonRule]

24. Time Will Tell... Unless They Change Their Policy... Price Changes Have Been Irrelevant. I Pay For Return Shipping.

Once they've received the shipment they check against prior purchases and ship it out ASAP.

Time will tell though... I mean shit, I dont' want 'em to go bankrupt!

They've been my favorite supplier!

[MichMan]

39. It does make a difference when they changed the policy a year ago

I bought 4 coils for my VW in 2019. At the time they were $27 each. They are now $82 each.

If I decide to replace them and buy all four for $328, they will only refund $110. Not really a lifetime replacement anymore. It would be cheaper for me to just go out and buy another brand from Rock Auto.

I use them when I can, but the LRG policy isn't what it used to be.

[MayReasonRule]

51. Right On... I Appreciate The Heads Up Y'all... It's Time For Me To Do Returns And Do Maintenance

Great to know ahead!

Oh well, better than full price!

You're on point, and I really am grateful to at least know ahead!

[MichMan]

53. People can't believe it when I tell them I pour the used oil back into the bottles and return it

[MayReasonRule]

55. I Know Right! They Look At Me Like "What The Fuck You Talkin' 'Bout Willis?!!"

[keep_left]

15. You mean midsize *sedans*, right?

Except for the Cadillac model that a DUer mentioned in this thread: the CTS, a midsize luxury sedan, discontinued in 2019. (It was replaced by the CT5).

Most of the auto industry has abandoned the sedan market, as the crossover SUVs are a lot more popular with customers. There are still a few sedans being made, mostly by the Japanese (Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, etc.), but even those don't sell as well as their crossover vehicles. (The cynic in me says that the profit margin on the crossovers is also higher).

[ILikePie92]

16. Truth or not?

I'd always read that the Toyota Tundra was the most "made in the usa" vehicle. Does a have any info on which cars if any are 100% made in the us?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. AI says no.

[ProfessorGAC]

43. So Does Motortrend

I found 8 sites, none AI, that said no cars sold in the US are 100% made here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. AI says the parts are 65-70% US made

[ProfessorGAC]

45. I Saw That Too

I saw numbers as high as 80% and as low as 55%.
Of course, neither is anything close to 100%
So, we're safe in saying "none".
BTW: those values were talking about mass produced cars. Maybe there are some custom shop stuff that's 100% US made.

[ILikePie92]

64. AI?

I'm slow to put my faith in anything AI tells me.....yet. Maybe someday.

I know for a fact that there are zero 100% cars made here with parts from here.

[dsc]

22. I bought my current car a few years ago

and at that point the only choices were the Malibu and the 300. Both were considerably more expensive than what I wound up getting (a Kia K5). This Kia is the first foreign car I ever bought but I had very little choice then and will have no choice in the future. It stinks but it is what it is. I will buy a Kia next time, it has been a great car.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. In any case the Malibu and Chrysler 300 have been discontinued.

I'm surprised the Malibu was appreciably more.

[dsc]

30. It was closer but still noticeably more pricey and frankly not as good a car

I guess I am the odd man out but I really do prefer a sedan.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Thats what I thought. At times it hard to buy American.

I wanted to buy an American smart TV. The only TVs made in America are projection TVs.

[dsc]

36. It is and that is a shame

The focus was a massively selling car as was the taurus but both got discontinued. I couldn't afford the 300. I did consider the Malibu but it was a bit more pricey and a lesser car with a less good warranty. At least the Kia is assembled here.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Focus is a bit small and I believe it has been discontinued too.

[dsc]

46. yep

I would have replaced my focus with another one had that car still been for sale at a cost lower than my Kia. I admittedly went a bit bigger this time, decided I deserved a nice car. The focus had been discontinued when I came looking for a new car. I do wonder what US companies are thinking by ceding the automobile market.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. K-5s are nice. The dealer loaned me one when my Optima was in the shop.

[dsc]

48. It is a nice car

by far the best new car I ever got. I had thought I would get a high end used car (say a caddy or a mercedes or a lincoln) but I got this car when Covid caused the used market to go haywire and that wasn't viable. Turned out I made a good decision.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. And the 10 year 100,000 mile drive train warranty is nice.

[dsc]

52. yep it is

it was the thing that fully swung me to the Kia over all of the other options.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Enjoy your car.

[dsc]

56. I am doing that thanks

[JanMichael]

31. My 2017 Subaru Legacy is awesome

Practically bulletproof. Even put run flats on it. Unfortunately it is over 130k miles so time is limited.

[questionseverything]

33. We have a gmc 2002, 325,000 and going strong

Awd too

[JanMichael]

38. I think it will go up to 200k pretty easy maybe more

Other than people running into it and breaking out a window on April 1st I've had no problems at all.

I want to go electric or plug in electric soon.

[Jose Garcia]

50. Corporate average fuel economy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy

Midsized cars don't get that great fuel economy, and trucks (which includes SUVs) are exempt.

[Ms. Toad]

75. My new-to-me midsize Prius gets an average of slightly above 50 mpg. n/t

[Jose Garcia]

80. Priuses are built in Japan

[Ms. Toad]

84. Your point?

I responded to a question which asserted "Midsized cars don't get that great fuel economy." There were no restrictions on country of origin in the post I responded to. The Prius is a midsized car, according to the EPA, regardless of where it was made. Not only that, but Toyota has to meet corporate CAFE standards.

If US manufacturers made more cars (midsized or otherwise) which were designed to get high mileage, meeting the standards would not be so challenging.

[The Madcap]

59. This might spell the end

Of the big truck epidemic. And the car industry.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

61. I'm driving a 2017 Honda Fit I bought second hand in 2018.

Under 50k miles, because I don't drive that much. But at least it's a stick, which is all I will drive.

[shanti]

85. Bonus perk for manuals

You don't have to worry so much about someone stealing your car.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

86. Hell, I don't even bother to lock it most of the time.

I will say that some years ago I was driving my son and couple of his high school friends somewhere, and they were very impressed I was driving a stick.

Decades ago I decided that when I can no longer drive a stick, it will be time to give up driving.

[WarGamer]

63. The most "American Made" mid-size sedan in the USA is the Toyota Camry.

Rated #1 with more than 75% domestic US content.

[MichMan]

65. Not necessarily. US and Canada content is combined together per NHTSA labeling standards

Impossible to break it down into US content only. Every single window sticker on every new car or truck has them combined together.

Listings of Passenger Motor Vehicles That Are Labeled With Their U.S./Canadian Parts Content

NHTSA has provided these reports as an aid to consumers considering the purchase of a new vehicle. The charts list information that NHTSA received from vehicle manufacturers about the U.S./Canadian content (by value) of the equipment (parts) used to assemble passenger motor vehicles.

The American Automobile Labeling Act (AALA) defines a passenger motor vehicle as a motor vehicle designed to carry not more than 12 persons with a gross vehicle weight rating not greater than 8,500 pounds and includes multipurpose passenger vehicles and light duty trucks. It does not include a motorcycle or a truck not designed primarily to carry its operator or passengers, i.e., a delivery truck. A label with the U.S./Canada content percentage and related additional information must be displayed on these vehicles up to the time of first retail sale.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-act-reports

[radius777]

66. Allow BYD in without tariffs,

state of the art EV's for $20k - that would be great for American consumers and the environment.

Consumers always win and prices always go down as a result of trade.

[MichMan]

67. US auto workers are just going to have to work for Chinese wages if they want to compete, right?

That would be an average of $6.33 per hour. Consumers just want cheap prices

https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/automotive-worker/china

[radius777]

69. I'm fan of free trade, NAFTA was great IMO.

If we can't make autos for an affordable price then we can do other things. Eventually I think AI/Robots will build all cars anyway. I believe Bill Clinton and Obama were correct to want 'hemispheric' trade especially, which NAFTA was about. The Chinese BYD's are being built in Mexico.

[MichMan]

73. Your opinion might be different if it was your job being outsourced to China, Mexico, India or Vietnam.

As long as it is someone else's problem, people are pretty cavalier about it.

Living in Michigan for 60 plus years, and working in the auto industry, I have seen dozens and dozens of manufacturing plants shuttered and abandoned after production was moved to Mexico because wages were cheaper and environmental rules were lax. Decimated smaller towns all over the Midwest that never really recovered. Those factory jobs paid decent wages, and generation after generation worked at them and paid taxes that supported their local communities.

On one hand, we advocate for workers getting higher wages and support those who are striking for them, yet are OK when jobs are moved to low wage countries as long as it makes products cheaper. I just don't get it.

Fifteen years ago............

Whirlpool: Keep It Made in America

The Whirlpool Corp. plans to start closing its refrigerator plant in Evansville, Ind., on March 26. The refrigerators now manufactured at this plant will be produced in Mexico, eliminating 1,100 local jobs. Meanwhile, Whirlpool--the world's largest home appliance maker--enjoys healthy profits and has received a $19 million economic matching grant that should be creating jobs here in America.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/www/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=151x7476

[Justice matters.]

71. They will be replaced by F*elon's robots sooner or later.

There will not be sufficient workforce applicants to fill their positions once they'll retire.

Globally, we're almost already there, and the actual clamp down on immigration will not help (the opposite):

https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/understanding-americas-labor-shortage

[Polybius]

70. Who are the big three these days?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

72. Ford, GM, and Stellantis

[MichMan]

74. Stellantis is no longer domestic

Owned by Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen with HQ in the Netherlands

[Jack Bone]

76. I work for them

Stellantis is it’s own entity, not “owned” by anybody. We are a global company…and The Dodge Charger is coming back! (Maybe the Chrysler 300 later as well…same platform)

[MichMan]

81. I can see why given the Charger EV

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Dodge's transition to electric power is going about as well as you imagined. Sales data for Q1 2025 show the brand sold more discontinued Chargers and Challengers than its all-new Charger Daytona EV, validating the question of why the battery-powered replacement came first.

Key Points
Dodge sold more discontinued gas-powered Chargers (1,052) and Challengers (922) than the new Charger Daytona EV (1,947) in Q1 2025.

The Charger Daytona EV averaged just 22 sales per day nationwide.

Ford sold 9,377 Mustangs during the same period, despite a sales dip.

Tesla in comparison sold 362,000 in Q1 of 2025 or 4000 a day.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/the-dodge-charger-daytona-ev-is-irrelevant-to-shoppers/ar-AA1C9RfS?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[marble falls]

78. Ford disagrees ...

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Haven't gone all through Ford, or checked on GM or Chrysler. Could we consider the BMWs, VWs and Hondas built in the US as midsized US made sedans?

[MichMan]

82. If you consider cars made in China for sale in the Middle East as domestic, sure

It isn't sold in North America

The Ford Taurus was discontinued in the U.S. back in March of 2019 after roughly eight million were built over 34 years of mostly continuous production, marking the end of an era. However, the Taurus name lives on in China, where that model rides on the Ford CD4 Platform, as well as the Middle East, where it has been that region’s best-selling nameplate for quite a few years now. An all-new version of the Taurus debuted in the Middle East as a rebadged (albeit tweaked somewhat) version of China’s Mondeo in April 2022, and now, the 2025 Ford Taurus set to be sold in that same region has also been unveiled with some new features.

https://fordauthority.com/2024/10/2025-ford-taurus-officially-debuts-with-new-hybrid-engine/

[NJCher]

79. Wow

I used to know car models like the people on this thread.

I lost interest, however. Now, I just drive whatever somebody gives me. I never pay for anything.

Have a great car though, perfect for my needs.