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applegrove

(125,410 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:05 PM Wednesday

Senate GOP to Bypass Parliamentarian

Senate GOP to Bypass Parliamentarian

April 1, 2025 at 5:46 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 253 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2025/04/01/senate-gop-to-bypass-parliamentarian/

"SNIP ..........

“Senate Republicans are fully embracing the strategy of plowing ahead on President Trump’s ‘one, big beautiful bill’ by bypassing the parliamentarian on a crucial accounting matter,” Axios reports.

“Senate leadership and Trump want to make the 2017 tax cuts permanent without having to account for how much it would add to the deficit. Now, they’re saying all they need is for Budget Chair Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to decide that’s what they’re going to do.”

“Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) backed the the argument, laid out by Graham, that Republicans don’t need the Senate parliamentarian to bless the current policy approach during Tuesday’s Senate GOP lunch.”

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Senate GOP to Bypass Parliamentarian (Original Post) applegrove Wednesday OP
Permanent? no_hypocrisy Wednesday #1
The Senate can always edhopper Wednesday #6
not on tax policy they don't dsc Wednesday #7
Okay edhopper Wednesday #8
They are dsc Wednesday #10
But they will edhopper Wednesday #12
It's who they are! bluestarone Wednesday #2
Don need no steenkin rules dweller Wednesday #3
Wait. They can do that? Huh. n/t leftstreet Wednesday #4
Democrats should purge every thought of Republicans following norms or acting in good faith dalton99a Wednesday #5
We need another filibuster right now Walleye Wednesday #9
This tells you that their plan is not legal LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #11
Keep decorum for your esteemed colleagues Chuck. 617Blue Wednesday #13

edhopper

(35,687 posts)
6. The Senate can always
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:36 PM
Wednesday

vote to repeal when in the majority. But the Dems need 60 votes because they follow the rules and the GOP doesn't.

dsc

(52,849 posts)
7. not on tax policy they don't
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:41 PM
Wednesday

they only need 50 to repeal since it would save money not cost money.

dsc

(52,849 posts)
10. They are
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:50 PM
Wednesday

but they boil down to, it must materially affect finances, the bill as a whole must be either deficit neutral or deficit reducing in year 10. So we couldn't do immigration reform via reconciliation since that didn't materially affect finances. They can't extend the tax cuts in a bill that isn't deficit neutral.

bluestarone

(19,350 posts)
2. It's who they are!
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:20 PM
Wednesday

They know everything. (the no good stupid bastards) Wonder where this will end?

dweller

(26,215 posts)
3. Don need no steenkin rules
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:27 PM
Wednesday

This is a pretty big week in American politics. On Tuesday we’ll see the first special and off-year elections of the second Trump era, and on Wednesday Trump will impose a wide array of new tariffs (an event he calls Liberation Day). But a little-known decision could soon dwarf those important developments in long-term significance. Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough is set to decide whether Congress can treat $4.6 trillion in proposed tax cuts as “free” from the point of view of the budget process. That’s because she is the official referee of what passes muster for inclusion in a Senate budget-reconciliation bill, which cannot be filibustered. Indeed, there is an arcane procedure called a “Byrd bath” (in honor of the late senator Robert Byrd, one of the chief architects of the budget process) through which MacDonough is empowered to rule particular proposed budget provisions in or out.

As it happens, Senate Republicans very much want to pull a fast one in how the budget bill is put together this year, as NBC News reported:

Extending the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which Trump signed into law in 2017, would cost $4.6 trillion over a decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the official nonpartisan scorekeeper.
That’s under the “current law” metric that has traditionally been used, as the tax cuts are slated to expire at the end of this year. But Senate Republicans want to use a different scoring method called the “current policy” baseline, which would assume that extending tax cuts costs $0 because they’re already law …

If the tactic is successful, it would upend long-standing precedent and change the accounting process for current and future lawmakers, with major policy stakes.
The “tactic,” as NBC calls it, is pretty fundamentally a lie. These tax cuts were initially made affordable under budget rules by utilization of an expiration date. Suddenly wishing away expiration dates makes revenue losses not earlier contemplated magically “free” of any impact on budget deficits. As the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget explains, this approach creates a sort of perpetual-motion machine where costs are defined out of existence:

A common excuse for using a current policy baseline — which assumes that all temporary policies are actually permanent — is that it better reflects the “reality” of what will happen. However, this argument is nihilistic, ahistorical, and inaccurate.

Assuming anything that is likely to happen will happen effectively assumes Congress has little autonomy or decision-making power and establishes a type of circular logic where any policy that lawmakers want to enact is assumed to be costless because it already reflects “reality.”
Nihilistic or not, a whole lot depends on whether MacDonough goes along with the “current policy” scam — not just the tax cuts themselves but the vast and painful budget cuts that Republicans will surely impose to offset them. $4.6 trillion in cuts would almost guarantee big reductions in Medicaid and possible Medicare spending along with massive reductions in the discretionary spending that keeps the federal government functioning, even at the reduced levels being contemplated by Elon Musk’s DOGE. Such a course of action would very much expose the GOP to Democratic claims that its goal is to cut federal programs and services on which lower- and middle-class Americans rely in order to reward Trump’s billionaire buddies and their businesses with tax cuts.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/senate-parliamentarian-could-derail-trumps-entire-agenda.html



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dalton99a

(87,743 posts)
5. Democrats should purge every thought of Republicans following norms or acting in good faith
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 12:33 PM
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