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WarGamer

(16,750 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 01:11 PM Mar 27

The story of Raybestos... and why the UAW supports tariffs.

In 1919...

1919, Raymark Industries in Stratford CT was manufacturing automotive BRAKE PADS right here in the USA.

They cut the hardened steel, they fired the pad material including asbestos...

They put brakes in early cars... then clutch plates... they supplied parts for WW2 planes and tanks, trucks, AV, etc...

They put parts in space and the men on the moon had Raybestos in their boots.

All made in the USA...

Then by the 90's... they were switching over to Chinese mfg... because of regulatory and labor and cost pressure.

Here's a set of brake pads online... for $9.73... made in China.

They can't be made in the USA for $10.

https://prnt.sc/IdMqrYAmH6pM

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The story of Raybestos... and why the UAW supports tariffs. (Original Post) WarGamer Mar 27 OP
screw the UAW RJ-MacReady Mar 27 #1
Cool, man. ObscurePiton Mar 27 #9
Yeah I see what's up. Kingofalldems Mar 27 #2
You were looking for a story with text, House of Roberts Mar 27 #3
This will help you WarGamer Mar 27 #6
Interesting side note about brake pads in the 1990s: House of Roberts Mar 27 #4
No manufacturer is going to expand manufacturing, build new plants, invest in new machinery because of any ImNotGod Mar 27 #5
This is the crux of all of this durablend Mar 27 #7
People can't afford a new car as it is, add another twelve thousand Meadowoak Mar 27 #8
Then MAYBE... WarGamer Mar 27 #10
good lord, my father was a UAW autoworker, Im sure he's rolling in his grave. Meadowoak Friday #11
In the olden days... WarGamer Friday #12

ObscurePiton

(10 posts)
9. Cool, man.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 02:00 PM
Mar 27

This loser's lunch we're eating does taste a little better now that I feel superior to an auto worker.

House of Roberts

(5,950 posts)
3. You were looking for a story with text,
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 01:27 PM
Mar 27

but the link leads to a screenshot of a brake pad listing from a parts supplier.

WarGamer

(16,750 posts)
6. This will help you
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 01:39 PM
Mar 27
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/history-american-shifting-position-tariffs-180968775/


Republicans, once the party of unwavering protectionism, came to establish themselves as the free trade party over the span of the Cold War. “And Democrats in the postwar era,” Mihm says, “become increasingly associated with tariffs and protectionism—specifically, calls for protectionism driven not by industry, which it had been before, but by labor unions wary of competition from Japan and Taiwan.” China soon came to be seen as a threat as well.

Starting around the administration of President Bill Clinton, Mihm notes, the two factions actually managed a state of uneasy harmony. “For a couple decades,” he says, “there’s this bipartisan consensus for the most part about the virtues of free trade.” It was widely acknowledged that in a globalized, digital era, free trade had to be the policy baseline. “The Democrats were less enthusiastic,” Mihm says, “but nonetheless willing to embrace it” with the centrist push from Clinton.

House of Roberts

(5,950 posts)
4. Interesting side note about brake pads in the 1990s:
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 01:32 PM
Mar 27

I had a car shop in the 1990s and we specialized in Porsche cars. The only asbestos pads I could get for Porsches were manufactured in Australia. The brand name was PBR if I recall correctly. They were the cheapest available pads but I never offered them to customers unless they insisted on them.

ImNotGod

(576 posts)
5. No manufacturer is going to expand manufacturing, build new plants, invest in new machinery because of any
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 01:36 PM
Mar 27

executive order. Only long term tariffs passed through congress would spur manufacturing.

durablend

(8,345 posts)
7. This is the crux of all of this
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 01:43 PM
Mar 27
Here's a set of brake pads online... for $9.73... made in China.

They can't be made in the USA for $10.


Either

* They open factories here, paying the prevailing US wages, in which case you'll be paying 5 times as much for brake pads (which MAGA Will be bitching about)

or

* They open factories here, paying workers such low wages (nobody will work for) to make those $9.73 brake pads.

MAGA idiots just can't get this through their thick skulls.

Meadowoak

(6,447 posts)
8. People can't afford a new car as it is, add another twelve thousand
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 01:49 PM
Mar 27

Dollars to the price, and the big 3 might as well just close their doors. They won't be selling ANY cars.

WarGamer

(16,750 posts)
10. Then MAYBE...
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 03:22 PM
Mar 27

GM shouldn't have engine and transmission assembly lines in Mexico... interior assembly lines in Canada and electronics from China...

Assemble them in Detroit and call them "Made in the USA"??

WarGamer

(16,750 posts)
12. In the olden days...
Fri Mar 28, 2025, 05:35 PM
Friday

Engine Blocks were nicknamed after the City that were MADE IN... as in where they CASTED THE IRON BLOCKS and HEADS.

Lima, Cleveland, Windsor...

Anyone who insists that we can't do that work is wrong.

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