Remember the weird case about strange internet links between Russia's Alfa Bank and the Trump Organization?

[Bluepinky]

Do you think hackers in Russia have been working on manipulating our election results via secret electronic communications over the last few years, to effectively change the results of the election? Remember Trump said, “I don’t need your vote” before later saying “This is the last election you’ll have to vote in”. I

I can’t stop thinking that the election results don’t seem real, that something nefarious happened.

[rainy]

1. Where are all the smart operatives in this country

that are capable of figuring this out!

[onecaliberal]

8. Not caring apparently.

[rambler_american]

20. You'd think

Dick Cheney has enough connections to the dark world to find out WTF happened.

[Botany]

2. "something nefarious happened"

Of that we can be assured but it is doubtful it was via the internet because the
voting machines and central tabulators are not or should not be connected to
the internet.

[questionseverything]

39. The reporting page is the only thing they need to control

[Phoenix61]

3. Yes, and no, the only nefarious thing that happened

is we learned a large swath of our country is even dumber than we thought they were.

[Botany]

4. Are you telling me that the President of the United States does not control egg prices?

Non stop toxic disinformation has its costs.

[Phoenix61]

6. Why yes, yes I am. I paid attention in high-school

history and civics class unlike a huge swath of the country, apparently.

[Silver Gaia]

7. Most of them don't have civics classes anymore!

That's why they don't know anything about how our government works, or the difference between democracy and fascism, or capitalism and socialism, and on and on. By design, of course.

[HootieMcBoob]

17. True

Most people can’t name the three branches of the federal government or how the house and senate work. They think the President controls everything. It’s all the product of billionaires feeding right wing propaganda via Fox, OAN, etc. and 1500 right wing talk radio and internet shows, some of which are also directly funded by Russia! Add in a massive dose of Christian Nationalist preachers at mega churches and broadcast on radio and TV. It’s a hell of a lot to push back against.

[usaf-vet]

22. "A huge swath of the country" didn't get a chance to take civics because the GOP supporters WANT dumb voters and......

.... removed it from the public school curriculums.

[Phoenix61]

24. Showing my age I guess. nt

[KS Toronado]

11. FQX Non stop toxic disinformation

[Scrivener7]

25. Given the Cambridge Analytica and Alfa Bank info we had in 2016, I have little doubt

2016 was tampered with.

But this year? No. The country has just lost its collective mind.

And we now enter the "find out" phase of "fuck around and find out."

[questionseverything]

40. So nothing happened to "them " last time

So why would they stop?

[Scrivener7]

41. That's true. If they didn't stop they got a lot

better at it. Because their trail last time was like the yellow brick road. With kleig lights on it.

[Meadowoak]

5. The numbers don't add up, nor match exit polls.

[thesquanderer]

9. Exit polls show Harris did poorer than Biden against Trump in almost all demographics.

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/

Which exit polls are you talking about?

[2naSalit]

10. I see the results as...

Real/authentic as that bullet hole in fuckface's right ear.

[barbtries]

12. it could be.

will we ever know for sure, that's my question. I worked the polls and our little precinct I can say that the protocols to keep it fair were exacting.

[LiberalArkie]

13. Yes, the Russians are very good at this But in the end the Americans could care less.

The best thing that could happen is for none of the Democrats or independents to vote with any Republicans on anything.
Vote to fund the budget - Abstain
Vote to fund the defense budget - Abstain
If a republican presents a bill to raise social security pay - Abstain

Let them govern. They can not do it. Let them prove to the American public that they are useless as "as tits on a boar hog"

[Loupe Garoue]

14. Something feels off

I agree that the results don’t match the perception of the rallies. The Harris crowds were so much bigger and more enthusiastic. Also, Trump telling his audience that he didn’t need their votes was very suspicious. I feel like he cheated and wanted everyone to know what he was getting away with.

[Dave says]

30. I agree with you

But we will never know for sure. The evidence will be long burned before we see another Democratic administration.

[hannah]

15. Votes

I believe the missing votes are from the mail in ballots. I saw a website that showed requested ballot number and ballot return number. Tons of not returned. Who knows if they were in transit or destroyed. Not everyone knew to look if their ballot was accepted. Remember Trump told republicans not to do mail in voting.

[Karadeniz]

16. I remember. Betsy devose anf her husband were later implicated as the source.

There was no reason except payback that a woman with no background in education should have been named secretary of education. In her four years, she ignored all directives and did whatever she wanted.

[Botany]

28. And that connection between Putin's Alfa Bank computer server and Betsey DeVos' Michigan computer..

…. put a Betsey’s brother Blackwater’s Erik Prince in touch with the Russian bad actors
who were rat fucking the 2016 election. Just about the time of Trump’s inauguration in
January of 2017 he was meeting with a Russian agent, a Saudi money man, and a sleazy
Middle Eastern middle man in the Seychell Island in the middle of the Indian Ocean about
900 miles off the east coast of Central Africa to set up a secret Trump & Putin communications
system.

[Karadeniz]

29. Id forgotten about godawful eric prince!!!!!

[Botany]

31. Betsey was also making something like $200 per day per child of the migrants who had their families...

… separated by Stephan Miller’s splitting up families policy. I think they flew the children from our
southern border up to a place she owned in Michigan. Betsey and her clan made millions off of
the pyramid scam called Amway. She is a real delight.

[Karadeniz]

38. Lord!

[Mr. Evil]

18. The technology is there.

It can be exploited and manipulated. Not to mention between Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk, you have over $400 billion to spread around to make sure the count goes your way. Add in Putin and his geek army and there you go. They could've even made threats to any state's election boards (or whatever they're called in each state) as a last resort or they simply bought them off. Money destroys things as much as it builds them. I'll never be convinced TSF legitimately won this election.

[lark]

19. I think this is a strong possibility too.

Remember when Hillary lost all the backbiting and finger pointing that it was her/Dems fault she'd lost. Then we found out later that Comey was threatened/bullied by head of NY FBI to release fake Hillary info and this guy was given $25 million by the Russian, Kilimnicheck or something like that who was also involved with Kushner and got all the data from him and again shared it with Russia. Sos that was the tipping point and it took us years to realize what happened.

So, what happened this time? I don't believe the results, just doesn't track with what I've been seeing/hearing on the ground. Maybe I'm crazy, hubs thinks I veer that way at times, maybe I'm just stubborn and idealistic to a fault, but I just can't believe America really elected hitler wannabe, knowing he was a hitler wannabe. OR - I can't believe that people saw this and excused it - which is what I'm seeing on FB. Went there this am and immediately got into it with a dumbass person that said Kamala didn't win because she cheated by not going thru a primary - ugh!

I too have been thinking Russian hackers were the most likely possibility and hopefully someone can prove it - but I don't think that will happen until years from now. If we even have a free press after he takes the office he stole.

[Dave says]

32. The red shift is observable across the nation - that would be a mighty hack by any nefarious agents

If there were cheats, I think it's more likely that many mail-in ballots disappeared. Again, across the nation making any cheat difficult, but the return rate of ballots mailed to voters was dismally low. That's suspicious, given the enthusiasm for this election. How did that happen? That's where I'd look. In the swing states, what happened to all those ballots not returned? Did this happen at higher rates in the blue cities as opposed to red counties?

The fact that the total vote is less than 2016 and much less than 2020 in this year of enthusiasm makes me wonder. Who sat on their ballots? Who returned them but they got destroyed, say, in a few key postal centers?

I really don't know what happened, but I have a major case of post-election blues.

PS/ I haven't seen more up-to-date numbers on mail ballots. Better numbers may zap my speculations here. But, when wondering about this, keep in mind that Trump told rally goers to not mail in their ballots (to vote in person), and things like he had the votes he needed, no one will have to vote again, etc. Rightwing coup, perhaps? These are very scary times.

[oldmanlynn]

21. I agree something appears off

The enthusiasm on the dem side was 10 points higher. The momentum was on the dem side. We lost in all the swing states by similar margins 2-3 percent. Something is off.

[karin_sj]

23. Those two comments are haunting me

If something nefarious did happen and it is ignored and not looked into, this could be the last fair election we have. Elon is already talking about lining up candidates for the next midterm elections.

[usaf-vet]

26. Are there purveyors of disinformation in the DU community. Known or suspected.

I can't believe some of the justifications posed for Harris's defeat and the large number discrepancy.

Bad players have managed to infest government agencies, including the future White House. Why shouldn't we expect the same here?

[Dave says]

34. I do suspect we have bad agents posting here

Nevertheless, I'm left to wonder. Just like I wondered (and still do) about 2016.

[Turbineguy]

27. It looks like

3 million republicans crossed over to vote for Harris and 18 million democrats decided to sit this one out.

[Rebl2]

35. I don't

understand democrats staying home instead of voting. Were there that many democrats that didn’t like her?

[Dave says]

36. There is no way 18 million Democrats sat this one out, that's why this election is suspicious

[Rebl2]

33. Agreed

[SCantiGOP]

37. The strangest thing

is that no one in the Biden Administration, the Harris campaign, the US DOJ, MSNBC, or any top tier media is reporting this. Only a few random people on DU.
Thanks, but I’ll stick with reality and face up to my shock and disappointment.

[bluestarone]

42. They have lied and cheated at everything everytime, SOOOO

Why the hell wouldn't the cheat with the election? I'm 100% certain they cheated somehow. (no proof, EXCEPT their cheating record we KNOW!)