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In It to Win It

(8,992 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 01:23 PM 16 hrs ago

Drug-Sniffing Police Dogs Are Intercepting Abortion Pills in the Mail

The Intercept


It was a tip that brought a dog to the main post office in downtown Jackson, Mississippi. An employee there had reported seeing someone in the lobby putting pills into hot pink envelopes.

Hours later, Ed Steed, a police officer from the small city of Richland, just south of Jackson, walked into a back room at the post office where one of the envelopes had been set aside. Steed, a K-9 handler, arrived with Rip, his narcotics sniffer dog. Rip strode around and, when he got to the pink envelope, sat down. According to records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, Steed said this meant the dog had smelled narcotics. That claim became evidence to get a warrant to open the envelope.

This, though, was no ordinary drug bust. As it turned out, there were pills inside the package, but they were not the kind that Rip or other police K-9s are trained to detect. The envelope contained five pills labeled “AntiPreg Kit.” They were made in India, and their medical purpose is to induce abortion. Dwayne Martin, at the time the head of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service in Jackson, told me this was exactly what the initial tipster had suspected.

About two-thirds of abortions in the U.S. in 2023 were done with mifepristone and misoprostol, the two-pill combination found in AntiPreg and similar products. Most were prescribed by clinicians at brick-and-mortar offices or through telehealth appointments. The World Health Organization advises that the pills are so safe in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy that supervision by a medical clinician is not needed. Taking the pills without clinician oversight is called “self-managed abortion.”
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Drug-Sniffing Police Dogs Are Intercepting Abortion Pills in the Mail (Original Post) In It to Win It 16 hrs ago OP
I would worry about counterfeit drugs from non-legit sources ThoughtCriminal 16 hrs ago #1
Perhaps don't send in pink envelopes? Freethinker65 16 hrs ago #2
Or don't pack the pills in the lobby of the the post office. ToxMarz 15 hrs ago #19
Everyone realizes this is fake, right? Like... Parody? WarGamer 16 hrs ago #3
If it is, it needs to be clearly labelled at the Intercept as well as here -- I can't read the Intercept article LauraInLA 16 hrs ago #4
Here it is Cirsium 10 hrs ago #44
Thank you! So weird -- when I went to the Intercept page on archive, it was still cut off! LauraInLA 10 hrs ago #45
The intercept is not a very good source BootinUp 16 hrs ago #5
It actually checks out as mostly factual, reasonably good source Bernardo de La Paz 14 hrs ago #28
One of the founders was Glenn Greenwald. BootinUp 14 hrs ago #33
Greenwald is long gone Cirsium 10 hrs ago #43
Just from the headlines I occasionally see it still smells like cheap journalism. nt BootinUp 10 hrs ago #46
Agreed Cirsium 10 hrs ago #47
Last try. Its worse in my opinion than other sources of real news. nt BootinUp 9 hrs ago #48
OK Cirsium 9 hrs ago #49
No... ? eShirl 15 hrs ago #6
start by googling "RICHLAND MS Sniffing abortion" WarGamer 15 hrs ago #7
so we're supposed to google every damn post on DU now eShirl 15 hrs ago #8
I do. Because a solid 30% posted is fake. See my sig. WarGamer 15 hrs ago #10
Not 30% on DU. And not this one. If you have info there is no such Federal investigation, please post. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz 13 hrs ago #38
That's because only the Intercept bothered to investigate with FOIA requests Bernardo de La Paz 14 hrs ago #29
Are you sure? Cirsium 15 hrs ago #14
the story exists in no other place than the Intercept. Nowhere. WarGamer 15 hrs ago #18
Not so Cirsium 14 hrs ago #21
It would be a HUGE story, for many reasons if true. WarGamer 14 hrs ago #22
Which part? Cirsium 14 hrs ago #24
That dog is not hitting on an abortion pill. It's hitting on its handler's reaction when they got to the pink envelope WhiskeyGrinder 15 hrs ago #9
Hitting on its handler's reaction Cirsium 15 hrs ago #15
(sniff sniff) So far I find little verification . . . Tactical Peek 15 hrs ago #11
Yes, this is all a bit of a puzzle BaronChocula 15 hrs ago #13
Really? Someone in the lobby of a post office put pills in a hot pink envelope? Sounds unlikely. Hekate 15 hrs ago #12
Assuming for sake of argument that the story is legit Danascot 15 hrs ago #16
This is the abortion pill protocol, not Plan B/emergency contraception. WhiskeyGrinder 14 hrs ago #27
Judging by the comments Cirsium 15 hrs ago #17
Im in bed sick as hell slightlv 15 hrs ago #20
Here too Cirsium 14 hrs ago #23
Thanks, you too, Cir! slightlv 14 hrs ago #37
I can't read past the excerpt; what are we missing? WhiskeyGrinder 14 hrs ago #25
I was able to get it Cirsium 14 hrs ago #30
you can only read it if you sign up and give them your email eShirl 14 hrs ago #34
Nope. I didn't sign up or give email, but I do block cookies by default. Try blocking that site and clearing their cooki Bernardo de La Paz 14 hrs ago #36
Not true Cirsium 10 hrs ago #42
Try clearing any cookies related to the link and block cookies from the link Bernardo de La Paz 14 hrs ago #35
Yeah. Event happened about two years ago and was quietly investigated Bernardo de La Paz 14 hrs ago #26
This post should be removed bif 14 hrs ago #31
Clickbait Cirsium 14 hrs ago #32
Here you go In It to Win It 13 hrs ago #39
Thanks for that. Tactical Peek 12 hrs ago #40
Very good! Cirsium 10 hrs ago #41

ThoughtCriminal

(14,241 posts)
1. I would worry about counterfeit drugs from non-legit sources
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 01:42 PM
16 hrs ago

Legitimate pharmacies do not put pills in envelopes in Post Office lobbies.

ToxMarz

(2,221 posts)
19. Or don't pack the pills in the lobby of the the post office.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:17 PM
15 hrs ago

Which I'm sure never actually happened. Would you think the drug dealers pack their shipments in the post office lobby?

LauraInLA

(1,094 posts)
4. If it is, it needs to be clearly labelled at the Intercept as well as here -- I can't read the Intercept article
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 02:14 PM
16 hrs ago

even using archive.ph, and there is nothing posted on the Intercept’s website excerpt indicating this is satire.

Cirsium

(481 posts)
43. Greenwald is long gone
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:39 PM
10 hrs ago

Here is an excerpt from a statement by the Intercept from about 4 years ago:

Glenn Greenwald’s decision to resign from The Intercept stems from a fundamental disagreement over the role of editors in the production of journalism and the nature of censorship. Glenn demands the absolute right to determine what he will publish. He believes that anyone who disagrees with him is corrupt, and anyone who presumes to edit his words is a censor. Thus, the preposterous charge that The Intercept’s editors and reporters, with the lone, noble exception of Glenn Greenwald, have betrayed our mission to engage in fearless investigative journalism because we have been seduced by the lure of a Joe Biden presidency. A brief glance at the stories The Intercept has published on Biden will suffice to refute those claims.

The narrative Glenn presents about his departure is teeming with distortions and inaccuracies — all of them designed to make him appear as a victim, rather than a grown person throwing a tantrum. It would take too long to point them all out here, but we intend to correct the record in time. For now, it is important to make clear that our goal in editing his work was to ensure that it would be accurate and fair. While he accuses us of political bias, it was he who was attempting to recycle the dubious claims of a political campaign — the Trump campaign — and launder them as journalism.

We have the greatest respect for the journalist Glenn Greenwald used to be, and we remain proud of much of the work we did with him over the past six years. It is Glenn who has strayed from his original journalistic roots, not The Intercept.

Cirsium

(481 posts)
47. Agreed
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:16 PM
10 hrs ago

The again, almost all of the headlines from every outlet smell like cheap journalism to me.

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,505 posts)
38. Not 30% on DU. And not this one. If you have info there is no such Federal investigation, please post. . . . nt
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 04:23 PM
13 hrs ago

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,505 posts)
29. That's because only the Intercept bothered to investigate with FOIA requests
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:48 PM
14 hrs ago

Reading articles helps make useful posts.

Cirsium

(481 posts)
21. Not so
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:24 PM
14 hrs ago

Many of the elements to the story exist elsewhere or are supported by other reporting. The relatively minor part about the one specific dog sniffing event may not be reported elsewhere, but that would not be surprising. The story is not mainly about that one incident, and I do find the reporting on that incident to be credible.

I applaud your due diligence, by the way. If the story about the dog is fabricated, that would discredit the reporter and the article. I don't see any evidence that is was fabricated, but of course it could have been. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I find the story credible, but of course I could be wrong.

Cirsium

(481 posts)
24. Which part?
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:35 PM
14 hrs ago

Which part of the long article would be "a HUGE story, for many reasons if true?" The part about the drug sniffing dog? If that is what you think is important, I disagree.

The ongoing war against reproductive freedom is the "huge story." That is what the article is about.

WhiskeyGrinder

(23,585 posts)
9. That dog is not hitting on an abortion pill. It's hitting on its handler's reaction when they got to the pink envelope
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 02:36 PM
15 hrs ago

that was mentioned in the tip, JFC.

Rip strode around and, when he got to the pink envelope, sat down. According to records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, Steed said this meant the dog had smelled narcotics.
Except there weren't narcotics in the envelope. So why did he sit?

Tactical Peek

(1,251 posts)
11. (sniff sniff) So far I find little verification . . .
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 02:50 PM
15 hrs ago

. . . only that the author, Debbie Nathan, is indeed a reporter at the Intercept.

And that Dwayne Martin is the name of a former USPS postal inspector.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dwayne-martin-b6854910b_it-has-been-a-bitter-sweet-day-i-have-retired-activity-7047161142384705536-phOp

And that a Ed Steed has worked in law enforcement in the area.

I do wonder about a cop from Richland walking his dog through a Jackson post office etc, jurisdictionwise.

BaronChocula

(2,378 posts)
13. Yes, this is all a bit of a puzzle
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:05 PM
15 hrs ago

I googled Debbie Nathan and satire and got no hits. Nothing else I search for regarding the facts in the story turns up anything that doesn't reference the Intercept. Hmmmm.

Hekate

(94,001 posts)
12. Really? Someone in the lobby of a post office put pills in a hot pink envelope? Sounds unlikely.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:01 PM
15 hrs ago

I don’t know what the dog smelled, but I smell BS. Women, pharmacists, and doctors in states like Mississippi are under threat of prison — and somehow I don’t think this story of a very public drug-buy holds any water.

Danascot

(4,853 posts)
16. Assuming for sake of argument that the story is legit
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:07 PM
15 hrs ago

Providing contraception, including emergency contraception, is legal in Mississippi. See reference below.

Plan B is not a narcotic and is not identified as such in Federal or Mississippi state law.

Do local police have 1) jurisdiction to search a post office (Federal facility) 2) to look for substances that are not illegal?

Information on abortion law in Mississippi:
https://abortiondefensenetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Mississippi-April-2024.pdf

WhiskeyGrinder

(23,585 posts)
27. This is the abortion pill protocol, not Plan B/emergency contraception.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:45 PM
14 hrs ago

The mife/miso combo is not illegal to possess per se in Mississippi, but there are very strict guidelines for its use.

slightlv

(4,047 posts)
20. Im in bed sick as hell
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:21 PM
15 hrs ago

And I'm not hitting outside DU until I can eat and drink again. But it seems to me from some of the messages we've had here and on other posts that we've even got a contingent of abortion is not the big election deal, as well as coming at all angles about polls

Frankly, I don't give a crap. Why? Because if it can be imagined by someone right now, the magats will make it true when they kill democracy. Fear is all they got... that and their big guns and little d**** , blubbering how no woman will date them or 'mind' them.

Pish tosh!

Cirsium

(481 posts)
23. Here too
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:32 PM
14 hrs ago

Finally caught COVID after being very careful all of this time. Really miserable. Caught it from my partner who got it from a physician during a medical appointment. Said physician failed to inform his patients that he may have infected them. We found out because of an off hand comment by the receptionist at the practice.

Hope you are better soon.

slightlv

(4,047 posts)
37. Thanks, you too, Cir!
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 04:18 PM
14 hrs ago

I'm really wondering if mine is COVID, or COVID exasperated. I'm gonna have hubby give me the test in a little bit. Its hard at this time of year for me, because my allergies make me feel like I've got the flu, already. But night before last, I tried to swallow a bit of potato that got caught in my gullet and burned my esophagus. I've not been able to keep anything down.. food or even sips of water since then.

Last night I really got scared and thought about heading to the ER. Like you, I've been SO careful and neither hubs nor I have caught COVID. But grandson moved in with us; he's had it more than once, and he works with young kids. So... life has changed.

I still think it's just my dumb too-narrow esophagus telling me it has to be stretched again and punishing me for not doing it before now. I'd just like to know when I can eat again! I'm getting weak with heart flutters... which may only be panic attacks, I know... but I can't even keep my meds down! And just after I did a big grocery store run with plans for good suppers for the whole week. I'm bummed and angry about it! (LOL)

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,505 posts)
36. Nope. I didn't sign up or give email, but I do block cookies by default. Try blocking that site and clearing their cooki
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 04:18 PM
14 hrs ago

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,505 posts)
35. Try clearing any cookies related to the link and block cookies from the link
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 04:17 PM
14 hrs ago

I block cookies by default and I am able to read the article.

Bernardo de La Paz

(50,505 posts)
26. Yeah. Event happened about two years ago and was quietly investigated
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:41 PM
14 hrs ago

Revealed by FOIA documents.

As the accounts of the regional USPIS head and FOIA documents show, a piecemeal crackdown is already underway during a Democratic administration. Under a Trump regime, things might go much further.

Whoever is in power, the incident in Jackson provides a potential window into the future — one in which freelancing local Postal Service employees and officials can call on local cops to halt women from accessing reproductive care and potentially charge and arrest those providing or using abortion medication.

My FOIA request asked for records from past years of investigations of people who’d used the mail to send pills. The documents I got back show how a willing administration might go after distributors. The feds could even lend support to police in states that have criminalized abortion care as they pursue cases under local laws. Pregnant people who order the medications could get caught in the dragnet.

The documents I received after my FOIA request are highly redacted but still reveal many details about a federal investigation that began less than two years ago in Mississippi.

Cirsium

(481 posts)
32. Clickbait
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 03:57 PM
14 hrs ago

Last edited Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:31 PM - Edit history (1)

The headline and excerpt are clickbait. They are not very representative of the article, which unfortunately, people are unable to see.

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