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imanamerican63

(14,273 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:42 AM 22 hrs ago

My concern is that maybe Trump is "useless idiot" for the GOBers?

His antics aren’t just any actual jokes, rather he’s the puppet? I wouldn’t doubt if Trump should win the election, the powers to be would replace him with Vance, saying “Trump is too incompetent and insane”? This is why every GOBer is desperate in defending Trump and his behavior?

There is no way that a man with so many legal issues should be allowed to be in the position he is in and has the power to be able get away with everything that he has done or get away with doing everything he is doing! Yet, the GOBers wear blindfolds and look the other way!

It reminds me of a past president who was declining his mental status and supposedly his family and administration were in control of everything? I’m speaking of President Reagan.

This time, the GOBers have the clown show on track to control everything from the Supreme Court to the city council. And if Trump wins? I hate to see the damage that they could do?

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I’m looking at what has been happening and it scares the ever daylight out of me.

The evidence is they have Projected 2025 lined up and ready to go, if they win. It will be their final act before they destroy our democracy as we know it.

Yes, Trump is the main character, but the real culprits are the GOBer party. They allowed Trump to get this far and now they want to see it through to the end of democracy.

We can stop them from doing this, by voting them out, starting with Trump and then working on the other “useless idiots”. Let’s get it done!

VOTE WITH NOTION THAT WILL SAVE OUR COUNTRY!

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My concern is that maybe Trump is "useless idiot" for the GOBers? (Original Post) imanamerican63 22 hrs ago OP
That's been my hypothesis for a month or so -misanthroptimist 22 hrs ago #1
I don't think he's a puppet. DeepWinter 22 hrs ago #2
Trump isn't exactly a puppet... yet. But he's so clearly in decline I'd guess the ruthless billionaire class... RidinWithHarris 21 hrs ago #6
Yes, I think the plan is... Mister Ed 22 hrs ago #3
100 Percent NCDem47 22 hrs ago #5
I have no doubt that... 2naSalit 21 hrs ago #10
I agree. Think. Again. 22 hrs ago #4
DUers have been predicting Trump's imminent demise for years. Eventually they may be right. onenote 21 hrs ago #7
I agree with you. LoisB 21 hrs ago #8
Definitely. yardwork 21 hrs ago #9
Trump the Charismatic Narcissist Metaphorical 18 hrs ago #11

DeepWinter

(306 posts)
2. I don't think he's a puppet.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 07:52 AM
22 hrs ago

He's usurped the GOP power structure, pissed off plenty of Repubs who thought they held the reins, and created his own cult that's a mix of outside the GOP typical base, and taking some of their own base away from them. He's problematic for the GOP power players. He's become a loose cannon.

RidinWithHarris

(620 posts)
6. Trump isn't exactly a puppet... yet. But he's so clearly in decline I'd guess the ruthless billionaire class...
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:17 AM
21 hrs ago

...simply wants to take advantage of Trump's cult to get him elected, then 25-Amendment his ass for the more stable stooge of Vance.

Vance, of course, doesn't have the "charisma" (scare quotes because it's hard for me to think of Trump as having charisma either, but in the GOP world he strangely does) to gain the Presidency on his own, but as VP becoming President, he doesn't need to win on his own, and later, in the Project 2025 world, Vance would likely never face anything but a going-through-the-motions sham election to stay in power.

It should also be noted that, for all of the control Trump has wielded over the Republican party, he's nevertheless already been a puppet for Putin and anyone else who has known how to manipulate him with bribes and flattery. He's just not a reliable or stable enough puppet anymore.

Mister Ed

(6,301 posts)
3. Yes, I think the plan is...
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:04 AM
22 hrs ago

...to just push, pull, or drag Trump's stinking carcass over the finish line and get the de facto right-wing dictatorship established.

After that, Trump would be likely to exit the stage before long. He's old, and his health is poor. If nature didn't take its course soon enough, then skulduggery and palace intrigue might hasten events.

NCDem47

(2,497 posts)
5. 100 Percent
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:08 AM
22 hrs ago

He has cut a deal with RW power brokers: get him the presidency (which he only wants for grifting, golfing, staying out of jail, and power to prosecute enemies) and he’ll leave it to others to execute Project 2025. Trump will sign ANYTHING they put in front of him. I’m thinking Vance will be a dark, dark Lord behind the scenes (which he himself is taking orders from billionaires!)

Think. Again.

(16,608 posts)
4. I agree.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:05 AM
22 hrs ago

Yes, trump is the most obvious manifestation of rightwingism and is paraded around in front of us everyday to keep our attention off of what the rest of the fascists are doing, but the reality is that we must not only beat back trump, but we must also keep beating back rightwing ideology whenever and wherever we come across it.

When Harris takes office on January 21, we must consider that the start of our fight to protect the world's greatest Democracy ever, and work toward eliminating the republican party and all they represent in our political world and in our society in general.

So, no, we don't need "a strong two-party system" that relies on republicans being involved, but what we do need is strong, compassionate, and positive governing.

onenote

(44,105 posts)
7. DUers have been predicting Trump's imminent demise for years. Eventually they may be right.
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 08:21 AM
21 hrs ago

But while his mental state is dubious, there is little evidence that he is at death's door or even close.

And, yes, if you think that there is a plan to force him out and replace him with Vance after the election if, god help us, he wins, you are a conspiracy theorist.

Metaphorical

(2,123 posts)
11. Trump the Charismatic Narcissist
Wed Oct 16, 2024, 11:52 AM
18 hrs ago

Apologies on length here.

There have always been two oddly contradictory views of Trump - one that he is hopeless inept, someone who clearly should never have gotten to where he is, and that he will eventually collapse as the consequences of his action finally catch up with him, the second that he is some kind of uncannily savvy genius, a huckster who has managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes and escaped justice over and over again.

I think both views are wrong. Trump is perhaps the perfect textbook definition of a malevolent charismatic narcissist. In simple terms, he is a sociopath who has no ability to feel compassion, is completely focused on his own personal status, is sadistic, and sees everything as transactional. He is also in early onset Alzheimers, which means that his ability to think, to plan, and to act, is more and more compromised every day. This is not atypical for narcissists, by the way. They tend to self-destruct rather spectacularly, usually because they become addicted to breaking the law.

Now, let's talk about Project 2025. It is essentially a sociopath's game plan for world domination, and likely had its origins all the way back in Nazi Germany. A lot of it reads like Goebbels works. The problem with Project 2025 is that it needs a charismatic narcissist to make it happen.

Charismatic narcissists are generally not all that intelligent, at least by the popular definitions of intelligence, but they're also not stupid. They are generally lazy - for them, the campaign, chasing the deal, these are the things that drive them, which is why they are so attracted to politics even though they are so manifestly unfit for government office. Many of them are salespeople, with no real investment in what they are selling beyond making a profit from it. This describes Trump over and over again. He managed to buy casinos, then run them into the ground because he just couldn't be bothered with actually doing more than the absolute minimum. It's why he eventually got to the point where he could not longer convince others to give him loans because he had failed so badly, so eventually ended up just licensing his name and a reputation for wealth.

Based upon what I've seen, I think Trump was "bought" about twelve years ago. Whether it was the Putins (the obvious guess), the Saudis, or someone else, he was paid to become President. This is the only thing that makes much sense to me about his history, because at the time, he was flailing financially (again). If he'd been smart, he should probably have tested the waters by becoming Mayor of New York, but the jump from being a political neophyte to President was to me an almost absurd leap, UNLESS, he was incentivized to do it not by narcissism but by desperation. Suddenly he was made whole, he was dominating the airwaves, and he was going against a wounded political candidate with a lot of baggage, and all he had to do with play the populist schtick. With the right levers being pressed, dirty tricks at just the right time, and a slow steady corruption of the GOP, he won the electoral vote, even after losing the popular vote.

One other common trait of charismatic narcissists - they are almost impossible to control. They need near-constant adulation or they fall into depression (imbalances of both Seratonin and Dopamine in the brain), and having achieved an objective, they rapidly lose interest unless there is another crisis to parade in front of.

A really good administrator is someone who keeps things calm, heads off crises before they happen, and most of all is able to build consensus. Biden was probably one of the best administrators we've had in the modern era. However, people like that are dull - they are quiet, relatively unassuming, appearing when needed but usually not hogging the spotlight, choosing instead to focus it on others. The press hates people like this, because they don't sell eyeballs.

The charismatic narcissist, on the other hand, practically demands crisis, because it feeds their sense of ego and entitlement, their narcissism. They also get petulant when they don't receive the attention they feel is due to them, and that petulance can turn into vindictiveness (which in turn feeds into paranoia, another trait that gets worse with time for narcissists). They also of course develop a following (Trump would have, in another life, made a powerful televangelist) - this is what defines the charismatic aspect of the personality. Part of the reason for the separation of church and state is the desire to keep charismatics out of office on the part of the founders.

I honestly believe that Trump is going to lose. He's publicly decompensating, and its getting harder for his handlers to either control him or keep that decompensation from being obvious. He doesn't have momentum anymore, and the press is sensing that, which is part of the reason why I'm seeing more and more coverage along the lines of the Rise and Fall of Trump, even as the proponents of Project 2025 are now worrying that their investments were wasted.

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