tRump just crossed the line and we all must be ready for violence being committed against us.

[augyboston]

Well, he finally did it! Not only is this man child threatening millions of immigrants with camps, deportation, and violence, he is now threatening violence against native born Americans.

While I am not a violent man and at my core do not want to harm anybody, when it comes to defending my family and friends I will do whatever is necessary to protect me and mine.

If tRump and his sycophants think that Democrats, Independents and moderate Republicans are just going to lay down and be beaten or worse, he has another thing coming.

Prior to the Civil War, the North tolerated a lot from the South, but when the insurrectionists fired on Fort Sumter they had gone too far and we all know what happened then.

Hopefully Harris wins and she replaces Merrick Garland with a pit bull who will finally go after tRump and anyone else who has committed or threatened violence.

We will either be a country of law and order or all hell is going to break loose.

We didn't ask for any of this, but the right (tRump, Bannon, Stone, MTG, etc.) have been threatening violence against the rest of us for years.

Unfortunately, that means we all must stand ready and be prepared to defend our families, friends and ourselves

[BWdem4life]

1. Completely off topic

But your paragraphs were pleasing to the eye in more than one way.



Ok so I'm a little weird

[Think. Again.]

26. I like the way you think, as well as the way augyboston thinks!

[electric_blue68]

61. You might have a designer's gene in you. 👍

[Kid Berwyn]

3. We the People have a choice.

The Constitution versus Trump and Putin and Roberts and McConnell and Flynn and Lewandowsky and Miller and the White power Feudalist Society Big Oil Pig Oil Heritage Flounders for Billionaire NAZI and whomever MAGA hat clown parade of armed imbeciles.

I stand with you and the People, augyboston. As long as there are two of us, I’ll fight the fascist bastards.

[augyboston]

6. Thank you. As Ben Franklin said in 1776

"We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."

[MadameButterfly]

24. None of us are ready for the disappearance of our medila and poliitcial heros

with no media in place to even report it. We are experiencing the risk Ben Franklin and the revolutionaries expereienced. Everyone of prominence is facing the risk right away. Eventually we will all face the risk if Trump is elected. We can't even fathom what that would e like. Hopefullly we won't ever have to.

[rambler_american]

4. I do not own a gun.

I don't want to own a gun.
But I will f*cking get one if it comes to that.

[lonely bird]

5. Me neither

But I will get one as well.

[ET Awful]

11. At the risk of stating an unpopular opinion - if you wait until "it comes to that", it's already too late.

It all kind of circles back to the "it's better to have and not need than to need and not have" point of view.

I don't like it, myself, but if that's the reality you're faced with, better to prepare sooner than later.

[AverageOldGuy]

13. I own enough guns for both of us . . .

. . . and lots of ammo. During my year in Vietnam I carried an M-16 -- original version of the AR-15 -- used it everyday for its intended purpose and I'm still very competent in its use.

[FailureToCommunicate]

16. If it comes to violence, all "we" have to do is outrun them...

"they" seem to be mostly one cheeseburger from collapse.
AND, clearly few of them can even shoot well.

Plus, we'll still have **some** advantages like the police, National Guard, the military...

[Think. Again.]

29. Don't be too sure that we would have those "advantages" under a trump presidency.

[MadameButterfly]

25. I don't believe in owning a gun but I

I was pretty good at riflery at camp and I got lots of awards from the NRA
If they come for our democracy I won't go down easy

[Kaleva]

38. Lot more to using a gun properly then just hitting a target.

There's tactics, developing situational awareness, gathering intel, identifying threats and such.

[MadameButterfly]

60. The truth is I'd be hopeless in a real combat

situation. I had a moment of understanding what it's like to have everything you care about threatened enough to be willing to die for it. Usually I just can't imagine.

if it comes to a gunfight, let's face it, we're hopelessly outgunned. I'm hoping somehow brains win over braun.
We're smart and educated, they believe in crazy conspiracy theories and blindly follow Trump. There has to be a way to take advantage of that, somehow.

[Kaleva]

62. I think you are spot on. Especially with your last paragraph

We could take advantage of those who believe in crazy conspiracy stories because they can't formulate a plan that could work because that plan isn't based on real world facts.

One way that it could be done is by cranking up the crazy to 11 in such a way that they turn on each other.

[MadameButterfly]

63. and might not smart people be able to

do things that require actual expertise like disrupting computer systems, etc. that could make a mess of their plans without going out and killing people? I'm not saying there aren't any RW computer hacks, but the low information brown shirt types who think John Kennedy Jr. is coming back are only good for toting semiautomatic rifles. Which can do a lot of damage but won't make a country run.

[Happy Hoosier]

37. I DO, and I actually unlocked it to clean an lobe it. WTAF.

I can't believe where I am contemplating having to defend myself and family with deadly force.

[ZonkerHarris]

41. Same here.

[Straw Man]

50. I suggest ...

I don't want to own a gun.
But I will f*cking get one if it comes to that.

... that you get one now and get acquainted with its operation and maintenance. Sorry for the cliché, but it's better to have and not need than to need and not have.

[Rebl2]

54. They seem

to think that democrats don’t have guns to defend ourselves. Well guess what, we do and will use them if our lives are threatened.

[Trueblue Texan]

7. I am VERY confident Kamala Harris will be a law and order president. nt

[BonnieJW]

8. She should replace Garland with

Jack Smith

[Think. Again.]

30. Yes! Or if he's not available, someone with a pulse!

[Rebl2]

55. How about

someone that isn’t 70 something.

[Think. Again.]

56. I don't know how old garland is, I do know he is inneffectual at his very crucial job.

[Fiddlelady11]

9. Playing with fire

I am thinking how the Japanese felt after December 7th, 1941 when they realized they had awakened a sleeping giant. We have all had enough! I have never owned a gun, but I can change.

[dalton99a]

10. The Trump cult is now only interested in retribution and annihilation

Democrats must be prepared

[AverageOldGuy]

12. Mike Flynn

I can't find the link right now, however, last week, speaking at one of his Christian Nationalist rallies, convicted felon (pardoned by Trump), was asked if he was prepared to lead a military tribunal to punish Americans who oppose Trump.

Flynn replied "first we must win and then all hell will be unleashed."

So here I am, active duty Army 1967-1995, tour in the bush in Vietnam, and this lying piece of shit is coming after me? Yes, I know he wore three stars of a lieutenant general. I also know he is dumber than a box of hammers and is more of Trump's trash.

Fuck him and his tribunals.

[mucholderthandirt]

15. I'll be meeting them at my door with my DD-214, asking them if they want to leave, or FAFO.

Not afraid of cowards. Not afraid of Trump. I'm too old to simper and stand by while my country is invaded from within. It's a good thing I'm not in charge, or these people would already be gone, in prison, waiting to be in front of the firing squad for treason.

[mucholderthandirt]

14. It needs to be clearly and stated often that there will be no effort spared to turn back any election interference.

The National Guard will be activated, local law enforcement will be called out. Anyone who intends to mess with voters, voting machines, counting of ballots or certification of said ballots will be arrested. Any level of force required, up to and including deadly force.

Trump's not in charge now, Biden is. Kamala Harris will be. There needs to be no uncertainty that insurrection will not be tolerated. No tiny action that aims to upset the election process will be allowed.

Trump can talk big, he can threaten whatever he wants. At the end of it all, he needs to be arrested for what he's done to destroy this country and this whole "there will be a bloodbath" nonsense needs to bring consequences. Make the Jan6 trials look like a Girl Scout cookie sale. Put them all in prison, and anyone who physically harms any LEO or military member gets a minimum of twenty years hard time.

[Think. Again.]

32. I absolutely agree, which is why I believe the doj should be much more vocal RIGHT NOW.

[Traildogbob]

53. Me as well. Current leaders need to

Let them know their fate with zero uncertainty.
Pink mist blends into those fucking red hats.
So God damned sick of being threatened by doughy pant loads like trump. I DO have a good number of guns and lots of ammo. Well trained by the Government, with plenty of experience.
Not about to run away and leave my life’s work and my hard earned piece of dirt. Not hyperbole, I will bleed out right here on my dirt. Not without a fierce fight to protect it.
Enough of these terroristic white freaks. .
Our country has lost lives from inception to never be taken over by terrorists. Or any hostiles on our own soil. Now a possible terror leader is poised to be back in our house. Ordering his cult to kill us.
We have to honor all those that gave all. Many can’t, but a lot of us will. As I did while serving, I will again fight for those that can’t.
I can imagine a group of fighters climbing up on trumps bloated carcass, to plant the Flag we finally take back, like the Soldiers did at Iwo Jima.

[mountain grammy]

17. This is exactly what his rabid supporters want to hear

They've been saying it for years.. My brother in law who died last year, said in 2016, "liberals, I'll line them up and shoot em." I stared at him and he said, "I'm kidding" I said, "you better be because your diabetes is out of control and you can't feel your feet and this liberal is also packing and can run circles around your sorry ass." as he shuffled off to get another piece of cake, and in the end it was the cake that eventually killed him.
That was the last year we went to Texas until April to watch the eclipse. We didn't even make it to his funeral because I threw out my back and couldn't move. I miss my sister in law and nieces and nephews, but they're so down the rabbit hole we can't relate anymore.

This is nothing new.

[Linda ladeewolf]

18. I understand people not wanting guns around.

I have owned guns all my life. I’ve had safety courses. I do wish I could get a refresher course on that aspect. No matter how long you’ve owned them, you forget things when you are older. I’d suggest all of you go to classes and learn how to handle them and keep them safely, then go get one.

[Skittles]

21. HELL NO

these freaks will NOT turn me into a paranoid gun humper, FUCK THAT

[Linda ladeewolf]

40. One does

Not have to be a paranoid gun hamper to own a gun. I haven’t hunted in years. I only own 4. I do believe one needs to defend oneself and to be able to do so. I am prepared to defend myself or my family.

[Skittles]

42. you're advising everyone to go get one

that falls under the definition

OVER AND OUT

[DSandra]

44. That's the consequences of not winning the election, I'm sorry to say...

Democrats needed to fight harder against the fascist propaganda machine more in the past I guess, it shouldn't have to come to this.

[Skittles]

46. fighting harder doesn't mean becoming like them

FUCK THAT TOO

[DSandra]

49. So you don't believe in the concept of self-defense?

Do you enjoy being a prisoner? How about if you were going to be sent to a concentration camp?

[Straw Man]

59. Gun ownership is morally neutral.

MAGA Republicans brush their teeth too, but that's not going to make me stop doing it.

[DSandra]

43. I would second that. They will have a HUGE training advantage against us. But there are always weaknesses...

Just remember Iraq, and how U.S. Soldiers got bogged down in urban areas because of the difficulties of urban warfare. Occupying an urban area is hard, especially dense ones like many liberal cities. Use that to our advantage.

[Zilli]

19. If this kind of travesty should occur, and probably will be at least tried. some of us cannot fight.

I'm looking down the barrel of 80 and like many other elderly people I have mobility issues, but I know I can make it to the nearest gun carrying maga and take bullet so that I have the distinct pleasure to die FREE. If this is how amerikkka does away with democracy I would rather be gone than living in hate /kill world. I've made comments on many sites that do not worship or in any way support TSF so I'm assuming I will be on a retribution list somewhere. HA!

You guys fight the good fight for those of us who cannot.

[Skittles]

20. another civil war? BRING IT ON

WE WILL BEAT THEIR RACIST ASS AGAIN

[TommyT139]

27. Huh?

Two comments up-thread you implied you wouldn't carry a gun.

[Skittles]

28. there are ways to defeat fascists other than killing them

and I ALREADY SERVED IN THE MILITARY

[flamingdem]

22. I've NEVER seen a thread like this on DU!

We will be strong. And we will win!!!!

[B.See]

23. I wouldn't know about what's ever been said here, but

GENERALLY speaking, Democrats don't speak of such things,

which is why Republicans think they can say and do whatever the fk they want, without fear of pushback.

Many of us aren't advocates of war or poiltical violence. But we do believe in self defense.

[flamingdem]

34. Well stated

Magaty republicans assume they can threaten without push back.

[DSandra]

51. Unfortunately the only thing that they respect is the threat of force

Which is why we have to show that we are not pushovers.

[DSandra]

45. We have to fight our hardest to keep him from the White House

It's do or die, the ships have been burned! We win or America will descend into hell!

[RJ_MacReady]

31. blue states

Would need to resist.

[RobinA]

47. So We Should

resist by getting guns to save us from...the US military? This is as dumb as the MAGATs thinking they need guns for when the government comes knocking on their door.

[RJ_MacReady]

48. I see

so just sit and let trump round everyone he doesn't like up because "we can't be like them".

[Oak2004]

58. I suspect it would be half or thereabouts of the US Military

Half would keep their oath to the constitution and refuse illegal orders, and the other half would go full fascist enforcer.

It would end up being a civil war. Which, unlike MAGA, I know to be an immense human tragedy, not something to seek out. But if they choose civil war, I will do whatever I can to resist fascism.

[Think. Again.]

33. And I believe that, even after we win in 3 weeks...

... we must continue to fight back, and even fight first (non-violently) to eliminate this kind of rightwing mentality from our political and social lives forever.

trump has shown us how dangerous it can be to "tolerate" things we know are intolerable. Rightwingism must be reduced back to the outer fringes of our country and world, if not completely obliterated once and for all.

[flamingdem]

35. Agree

Not sure how it's done exactly but we can't rely on "the media" and sadly not even authorities such as police since some are tRumpers.

[-misanthroptimist]

36. They seem to be under the illusion...

...that they are the only ones who own firearms and know how to use them. So they talk tough. If they follow through with their threats, they'll learn their mistake in very short order.

[Kaleva]

39. How many thinking of getting guns are willing to suffer losses?

In any fire fight, casualties are to be expected. How many here are willing to lose loved ones and how many? Can you handle seeing a family member with half their head shot off or they are drowning in their own blood?

This isn't the A-Team where nobody gets killed or even seriously injured.

[augyboston]

64. I totally understand what you're saying

I don't want violence, no one I know is espousing violence, but I along with many others also know that tRump will use violence against anyone he perceives as being opposed to him.

My post does not want to promote violence, it is to bring home the very real possibility that tRump and MAGA will use violence against the American people.

My point is, if they start coming for us are we going to enter the box cars willingly or are we going to resist???

[appmanga]

52. I feel like the OP, but let's not panic or overreact.

I'd said it many times: if there are people willing to die for Donald Trump, there are people willing to accommodate them, and I include myself in that number. Please understand that the vast majority of the blustering MAGAts are cowards, but if you are concerned for your safety, and I'd be the last person to say that's not a legitimate concern, make a plan to vote by mail, or vote early. Trump's attempts at stochastic terrorism shouldn't be minimized, but don't let this part of the fascist playbook work for these people.

I do believe there are going to be places where some Trump supporters will try to disrupt voting, but I also believe that will be quickly shut down.

The last thing I will say is there are a lot of people who do a bunch of cosplay as bad asses, but toting a firearm is one thing; shooting it is another, while shooting at someone who will shoot back is yet another. I'm not worried about Trump and his goons.

[The Bopper]

57. If they

Would have held him accountable for his treasonous actions, we’d be discussing Desantis or some other nimrod of the right. I’m still not over they letting him off for what anyone else would be in Gitmo for.