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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRoy Cohn's 3 rules for a young Trump
#1 Attack, attack, attack.
#2 Admit nothing and deny everything.
#3 No matter what happens, you claim victory and never admit defeat.
Got to admit they work when practiced a by morally and ethically bankrupt individual.
msongs
(69,768 posts)pat_k
(10,425 posts)Roy Cohn taught trump well (link)
. . Cohn imparted an M.O. thats been on searing display throughout Trumps ascent, his divisive, captivating campaign, and his fraught, unprecedented presidency. Deflect and distract, never give in, never admit fault, lie and attack, lie and attack, publicity no matter what, win no matter what, all underpinned by a deep, prove-me-wrong belief in the power of chaos and fear.
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Trump and his acolytes want us to be immersed in his horror show. And over, and over, and over, we oblige. If we break away, they do something more outrageous to drag us back.
And when we spend time "spreading the word" about how horrible he is, we are, once again, immersed in his shit.
Time spent denouncing him is NOT PRODUCTIVE. It crushes hope and joy and thus immobilizes. It suppresses the will to take positive action. When we are overwhelmed by his shit, we lose ourselves. When we feel like screaming "how can 'they' not see this?" we are on road to cynicism and hopelessness; we are on the road to feeling powerless. It saps us.
His people are his people. For now, just let them bask in their own horrible little world. He's basically at both his ceiling and his floor. Now it is all about turning out our voters. That's it. That's our job. We need all our hope, enthusiasm, and energy to get it done.
The most productive thing those who oppose trump can do is to ignore the man and his acolytes -- truly ignore them as the pathetic creatures they are. I would be happy if we didn't even put his mug in our ads.
Whatever the latest bit of insanity, dismiss it as the same old shit without comment. Only that way do we disarm him. Find a hopeful speech. Feed our own sense of our power through action or inspiring ourselves with books like "Lobbying for Change: Find Your Voice to Create a Better Society" by Alberto Alemanno. Find the things that inspire you -- simple things.
Resisting the efforts to turn our attention from hope and action to the horrors of the trump show is perhaps our most difficult, but important, task. Just as a meditator chooses, over and over again, to turn their attention back to the breath when attention is pulled elsewhere, we each need to find ways to turn our attention back to hope and action when we find ourselves pulled into the latest outrage.
littlemissmartypants
(24,706 posts)Every time I see the words,
Trump says..I want to vomit. Who cares. We have better things to spend our time and talent on.
ATTENTION IS YOUR MOST VITAL TOOL. WHATEVER YOU FOCUS YOUR ATTENTION ON, YOU STRENGTHEN.
And yes, the caps are intentional. Thank you for your thoughtful post, pat_k.
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pat_k
(10,425 posts)Unfortunately, at this point, it seems that everything currently in General Discussion would end up there. I'm sick of it and choose to focus on what caring citizens, leaders, and elected officials are working for and accomplishing. We can't allow the wins and positive forces to drowned out. If we do, we cede ground to the Christian Nationalists and the other designers of the dark, dystopian, racist, xenophobic, reality-free world more and more Americans occupy.
There is hope and there are many, many groups and individuals working to grow our reality-based, inclusive body politic. I think Gov. Moore has made a significant step forward in Maryland with subsidies for a service year after high-school. Creating powerful incentives for people of any age to devote a year to national service could go a long way to grounding citizens in reality by providing opportunities to work with people they might view as "other."
Below is a forum I came across that I found quite inspiring. The entire program is worthwhile, but the section with Spencer Cox and Wes Moore (14:01 to 51:29) is a must see for anyone looking for signs of hope in a bleak political landscape.
37 minutes
14:01 to 51:29
Keynote: Spencer Cox and Wes Moore
44 minutes
52:15 to 1:28:44
Panel
Dr. Timothy Shriver
Ruth Okejiji
Rachel Brand
Donna Brazile
1:28:30 to 1:55:00
Panel
Rev. Dr. David McAllister-Wilson
Joshua Dubois
Peter Wehner
https://www.youtube.com/live/8SFSkWxUxeo
littlemissmartypants
(24,706 posts)Is what we should all do. It's certainly the wiser thing. We have to drown them out with our positive vision somehow and at every opportunity.
Thanks for your reply. ❤️
Septua
(2,474 posts)― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Trump and MAGA are on the offensive. It is they who are drowning out Biden's accomplishments. And the polls suggest Biden accomplishments are not going to win the election. The Democratic powers-to-be have got to come up with a coup de grâce to literally destroy Trump and any chance of his winning the election.
I don't have a clue what that might be but they won't find it going 'high'. Dig up some dirt or do like him, and just invent some dirt. Adopt Cohn's first rule: ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK and Trump's rule of repeating the lie over and over and over.
pat_k
(10,425 posts)First and foremost, we MUST stop amplifying the firehose of falsehood as we attempt to "counter" it or "spread the word" about how horrible he is. When we do this we are serving his cause, not ours.
George Lakoff's 2016 analysis holds up today. It provides useful insight into who supports Trump and why and how we can do better. If you'd like insight into the "enemy" I highly recommend the first sections of his article:
Who Supports Trump and Why
- Winning and Insulting
- The Moral Hierarchy
- White Evangelicals
- Pragmatic Conservatives
- Laissez-faire Free Marketeers
- Direct vs. Systemic Causation
- Political Correctness
- Biconceptuals
Why His Lack of Policy Detail Doesnt Matter
How Trump Uses Your Brain to His Advantage
Here's the section on how we can do better.
How Can Democrats Do Better?
First, dont think of an elephant. Remember not to repeat false conservative claims and then rebut them with the facts. Instead, go positive. Give a positive truthful framing to undermine claims to the contrary. Use the facts to support positively-framed truth. Use repetition.
Second, start with values, not policies and facts and numbers. Say what you believe, but havent been saying. For example, progressive thought is built on empathy, on citizens caring about other citizens and working through our government to provide public resources for all, both businesses and individuals. Use history. Thats how America started. The public resources used by businesses were not only roads and bridges, but public education, a national bank, a patent office, courts for business cases, interstate commerce support, and of course the criminal justice system. From the beginning, the Private Depended on Public Resources, both private lives and private enterprise.
Over time those resources have included sewers, water and electricity, research universities and research support: computer science (via the NSF), the internet (ARPA), pharmaceuticals and modern medicine (the NIH), satellite communication (NASA and NOA), and GPS systems and cell phones (the Defense Department). Private enterprise and private life utterly depend on public resources. Have you ever said this? Elizabeth Warren has. Almost no other public figures. And stop defending the government. Talk about the public, the people, Americans, the American people, public servants, and good government. And take back freedom. Public resources provide for freedom in private enterprise and private life.
The conservatives are committed to privatizing just about everything and to eliminating funding for most public resources. The contribution of public resources to our freedoms cannot be overstated. Start saying it.
And dont forget the police. Effective respectful policing is a public resource. Chief David O. Brown of the Dallas Police got it right. Training, community policing, knowing the people you protect. And dont ask too much of the police: citizens have a responsibility to provide funding so that police dont have to do jobs that should be done by others.
Unions need to go on the offensive. Unions are instruments of freedom freedom from corporate servitude. Employers call themselves job creators. Working people are profit creators for the employers, and as such they deserve a fair share of the profits and respect and acknowledgement. Say it. Can the public create jobs. Of course. Fixing infrastructure will create jobs by providing more public resources that private lives and businesses depend on. Public resources to create more public resources. Freedom creates opportunity that creates more freedom.
Third, keep out of nasty exchanges and attacks. Keep out of shouting matches. One can speak powerfully without shouting. Obama sets the pace: Civility, values, positivity, good humor, and real empathy are powerful. Calmness and empathy in the face of fury are powerful. Bill Clinton won because he oozed empathy, with his voice, his eye contact, and his body. It wasnt his superb ability as a policy wonk, but the empathy he projected and inspired.
Values come first, facts and policies follow in the service of values. They matter, but they always support values.
Give up identity politics. No more womens issues, black issues, Latino issues. Their issues are all real, and need public discussion. But they all fall under freedom issues, human issues. And address poor whites! Appalachian and rust belt whites deserve your attention as much as anyone else. Dont surrender their fate to Trump, who will just increase their suffering.
And remember JFKs immortal, Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. Empathy, devotion, love, pride in our countrys values, public resources to create freedoms. And adulthood.
Be prepared. You have to understand Trump to stand calmly up to him and those running with him all over the country.
Septua
(2,474 posts)Joe Biden has been doing that since taking office and Kamala Harris has taken up the baton.
You can't rebut a claim without repeating the claim. And even with facts, Trump/MAGA continue to push the lies. Haitians eating cats for instance. The Ohio governor and the city Mayor have 'rebutted' the claim but it's still a propaganda point. The 2020 election was not rigged, Trump lost, the facts confirm it but the big lie continues. The economy is strong, stock market is at an all time high, inflation was a result of supply-demand imbalance, is world wide and Trump continues to blame it on Biden. And they come up with new propaganda bullsh*t faster than it can be refuted.
We're dealing with a man and a movement that doesn't care about the laws, doesn't care about the Constitution and doesn't care about norms and institutions (Rick Wilson quote), has no qualms with violence or threats of violence. Cohn's 3 rules revealed were not necessary to know how Trump's mind works. He has a Hitlerian mentality and is fighting for his freedom, not ours. Civility works only when both sides are civil.
Some way, some how, the Dems have got to get offensive.
pat_k
(10,425 posts)The point is to constantly bring the focus back to a shared vision of what this nation can be grounded in deeply held values, and above all, a sense of optimism and joy.
It's the "don't think of an elephant" problem. When you repeat any shit they say, you give it power.
Harris did a great job of what Lakoff is talking about early in the campaign. She just wrote off Donald's shit as "same old same old." She treated it as the meaningless crap that it is and stayed laser-focused on her vision.
That has shifted. We're seeing more and more "rebutting" or "exposing" trump. And by so doing, we shift the narrative to his court. He becomes, once again, the powerful strongman that must be defeated. When we attempt to directly engage to defeat, the compelling, shared vision of what we can achieve falls off the radar. We've got everyone thinking of the elephant. What we need to do is give them something else to think about. Our vision.
dmr
(28,624 posts)Apologies if it's posted, but I don't see it. Thx.
I appreciate all that you've written in this thread. I saved it from yesterday, and still haven't found time to read it all, lol! But I'll get to it.
There is one thing I'd like to add to all this: we must maintain our sense of humor. Even if, at times, we laugh at ourselves. My dad taught me this, and it does help, and throws them off guard.
Anyway, thanks for the work you put into this thread.
pat_k
(10,425 posts)It starts below the
ad for moral politics.
pat_k
(10,425 posts)milestogo
(17,208 posts)Septua
(2,474 posts)..the news clips of Kamala I've seen today show she's moved into attack mode.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-election-10-14-24/index.html
It marks the latest effort by the vice president to paint her Republican rival as dangerous, particularly in the critical battleground state of Pennsylvania where Trump is also campaigning Monday.
The second term would be worse, Carroll says in the ad. There will be no one to stop his worst instincts. Unchecked power. No guardrails.