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kpete

(72,783 posts)
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 08:46 AM Saturday

Trump is rigging polls again. Remember Michelle Obama warned us about this.

It’s up to us to remember what Kamala’s mother told her: “Don’t just sit around and complain. Do something.” So if they lie about her—and they will—we’ve got to do something. If we see a bad poll—and we will—we’ve got to put down that phone and do something. If we start feeling tired, if we start feeling that dread creeping back in, we gotta pick ourselves up, throw water on our face, and what?
(Crowd chants: “Do something!”)


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Trump is rigging polls again. Remember Michelle Obama warned us about this. (Original Post) kpete Saturday OP
Oh Brother. Again. Lately, I've been pissing off my Maga neighbors with a riddle. chouchou Saturday #1
KnR! Coexist Saturday #2
He has been known to pay for online polls. kentuck Saturday #3
He won't be so enamored once Kamala BattleRow Saturday #4
The man can't put two sentences together, he's not rigging polls krawhitham Saturday #5
He, personally, is not doing the polls, but you can bet your boots that his japple Saturday #7
Some analysis from what happened in 2022 BumRushDaShow Saturday #6
Thanks for this information. I remembered reading somewhere that the japple Saturday #8
There are still pollster analysts BumRushDaShow Saturday #9

chouchou

(1,184 posts)
1. Oh Brother. Again. Lately, I've been pissing off my Maga neighbors with a riddle.
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 09:18 AM
Saturday

What do you call a person who lies constantly and consistently? (Yep..Donald Trump)

BattleRow

(897 posts)
4. He won't be so enamored once Kamala
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 11:15 AM
Saturday

spectacularly pole vaults WAY past him in November.

A November to remember!

japple

(10,260 posts)
7. He, personally, is not doing the polls, but you can bet your boots that his
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 11:40 AM
Saturday

team is doing a lot of rigging. Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, Eric, Don, Jr. Jared...all of them.

BumRushDaShow

(139,766 posts)
6. Some analysis from what happened in 2022
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 11:38 AM
Saturday

and particularly because this stuff was "rolled into" the popular aggregators, and not just the RW RCP, but 538 -

The ‘Red Wave’ Washout: How Skewed Polls Fed a False Election Narrative

By Jim Rutenberg, Ken Bensinger and Steve Eder
Dec. 31, 2022

Senator Patty Murray, a Democrat, had consistently won re-election by healthy margins in her three decades representing Washington State. This year seemed no different: By midsummer, polls showed her cruising to victory over a Republican newcomer, Tiffany Smiley, by as much as 20 percentage points.

So when a survey in late September by the Republican-leaning Trafalgar Group showed Ms. Murray clinging to a lead of just two points, it seemed like an aberration. But in October, two more Republican-leaning polls put Ms. Murray barely ahead, and a third said the race was a dead heat.

(snip)

Ms. Murray’s own polling showed her with a comfortable lead, and a nonprofit regional news site, using an established local pollster, had her up by 13. Unwilling to take chances, however, she went on the defensive, scuttling her practice of lavishing some of her war chest — she amassed $20 million — on more vulnerable Democratic candidates elsewhere. Instead, she reaped financial help from the party’s national Senate committee and supportive super PACs — resources that would, as a result, be unavailable to other Democrats.

A similar sequence of events played out in battlegrounds nationwide. Surveys showing strength for Republicans, often from the same partisan pollsters, set Democratic klaxons blaring in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Colorado. Coupled with the political factors already favoring Republicans — including inflation and President Biden’s unpopularity — the skewed polls helped feed what quickly became an inescapable political narrative: A Republican wave election was about to hit the country with hurricane force. Democrats in each of those states went on to win their Senate races. Ms. Murray clobbered Ms. Smiley by nearly 15 points.

(snip)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/31/us/politics/polling-election-2022-red-wave.html


The point being to force candidates who are actually in good shape, at least relatively speaking, to suddenly be "told by the media pundits" as part of the "poll narrative", that they are NOT "in good shape". So they and the party financial entities (as well as aligned PACs), spend extra resources trying to defend what is in reality a "safe seat" rather than having their funding resources better distributed to those who really are in swing seats/states or are trying to flip a seat to blue in a swing district/state.

japple

(10,260 posts)
8. Thanks for this information. I remembered reading somewhere that the
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 05:32 PM
Saturday

polls were not accurate in 2022 and never believed the red wave was coming as prophesied by the RW media. I was not surprised with the election results either.

BumRushDaShow

(139,766 posts)
9. There are still pollster analysts
Sat Oct 12, 2024, 06:30 PM
Saturday

who think that Roe "has faded" in importance.

The industry has a serious problem and at this point, i doubt it is even solvable anymore.

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