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Whovian

(2,866 posts)
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:20 PM Dec 2012

Intelligence Institute Study shows Fox News viewers have an IQ that is 20 points lower than the U.S.

(National Average)

http://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-institute-study-shows-fox-news-viewers-iq-034622242.html

Study shows that the Americans who watch Fox News have an average IQ of 80, whereas the national average is 100. Researchers were not "shocked" by findings.

Birmingham, Alabama (PRWEB) December 04, 2012
The results of a 4 year study show that Americans who obtain their news from Fox News channel have an average IQ of 80, which represents a 20 point deficit when compared to the U.S. national average of 100. IQ, or intelligence quotient, is the international standard of assessing intelligence.

Researchers at The Intelligence Institute, a conservative non-profit group, tested 5,000 people using a series of tests that measure everything from cognitive aptitude to common sense and found that people who identified themselves as Fox News viewers and 'conservative' had, on average, significantly lower intelligent quotients. Fox Viewers represented 2,650 members of the test group.

One test involved showing subjects a series of images and measuring their vitals, namely pulse rate and blood pressure. The self-identified conservatives' vitals increased over 35% when shown complex or shocking images. The image that caused the most stress was a poorly edited picture of President Obama standing next to a "ghostly" image of a child holding a tarantula.

Test subjects who received their news from other outlets or reported they do not watch the news scored an average IQ of 104, compared to 80 for Fox News viewers.

Lead researcher, P. Nichols, explains, "Less intelligent animals rely on instinct when confronted by something which they do not understand. This is an ancient survival reaction all animals, including humans, exhibit. It's a very simple phenomenon, really; think about a dog being afraid of a vacuum cleaner. He doesn't know what a vacuum is or if it may harm him, so he becomes agitated and barks at it. Less intelligent humans do the same thing. Concepts that are too complex for them to understand, may frighten or anger them."

He continues, "Fox News' content is presented at an elementary school level and plays directly into the fears of the less educated and less intelligent."

More at link.

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Intelligence Institute Study shows Fox News viewers have an IQ that is 20 points lower than the U.S. (Original Post) Whovian Dec 2012 OP
Does this include their grasp of the English language or is this above and beyond? Earth_First Dec 2012 #1
In other breaking news, sun rises in East. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #2
Not if you watch Fox news. It doesn't rise, it's just there and moves around. No one understands Whovian Dec 2012 #3
Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that. RomneyLies Dec 2012 #5
Hey, you cannot talk about attraction here.... Swede Atlanta Dec 2012 #14
LOL. bettyellen Dec 2012 #38
Didn't Marco Rubio say the gravity is "just a theory"? Walk away Dec 2012 #77
Nothing to do with gravitational attraction. The baby Jesus makes the tides move. Squinch Dec 2012 #146
"...it's just there and moves around." KansDem Dec 2012 #125
The limits! MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #136
Thanks! KansDem Dec 2012 #207
Laughed out loud at this one :) patricia92243 Dec 2012 #139
Yep. This is one of those "Well, DUH!" headlines...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #33
ya thnk? heaven05 Dec 2012 #64
LOL! LeftofObama Dec 2012 #4
WTF is your problem?! Earth_First Dec 2012 #7
I have to admit that picture has now embedded itself in my mind....... PDJane Dec 2012 #10
Forever! nt Walk away Dec 2012 #79
LOL RKP5637 Dec 2012 #20
Why do I envision Fox watchers barking at the vacuum cleaner? AlbertCat Dec 2012 #34
Every time O'Reilly goes to commercial JBoy Dec 2012 #74
They look for him behind the TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Walk away Dec 2012 #80
When FoX News is on... pbrower2a Dec 2012 #117
You actually watch FOX? :>))) pangaia Dec 2012 #135
My elderly parents do. pbrower2a Dec 2012 #166
Whew, good for you. pangaia Dec 2012 #186
I have a dog that barks at Joe Shmoe HillWilliam Dec 2012 #83
Awesome Release The Hounds Dec 2012 #87
Imagine how many people I will have to explain my new sign to. jtuck004 Dec 2012 #97
My dog barks at the vacuum cleaner, too, and Brainstormy Dec 2012 #126
This angers and frightens me! Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #6
LOL! dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #49
Fox News Viewers Respond Evasporque Dec 2012 #191
A Fox "News" viewer is basically a frightened dog barking at a vacuum cleaner. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #8
I believed the written reports of Palin's IQ ... 83 ... this kind of gives it some credibility. libdem4life Dec 2012 #9
Serious? Her IQ was reported? at 83? dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #50
Yes...I couldn't find the first one I saw...the one I found online now don't look as "weathered" libdem4life Dec 2012 #56
It is a proven fact that the dumbest cat that ever lived was still smarter than any Republican Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #67
Yep... progressoid Dec 2012 #92
No way. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #149
ECE...Primary here. Absolutely challenged. But we had to "pass" them every year, libdem4life Dec 2012 #182
undistinguished pbrower2a Dec 2012 #172
80 is borderline retarded. i doubt palin's iq is 80, & i know of no legal way that her actual HiPointDem Dec 2012 #202
It recurred a number of times, as did failing college scores. Every politician is "vetted" and she libdem4life Dec 2012 #209
you want to think she's retarded, you just go right ahead. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #210
I call bullish*t. NoodleyAppendage Dec 2012 #11
You're right, sulphurdunn Dec 2012 #26
Yes, it does seem suspicious sakabatou Dec 2012 #29
Not bullshit, it's satire. (Well, maybe it is bullshit too.) Make7 Dec 2012 #45
Yes, that can be taken very seriously... reACTIONary Dec 2012 #145
How exactly does that correlate to IQ? Make7 Dec 2012 #159
I don't think it does, I didn't say that it did, and I didn't read that it did in the excerpt.... reACTIONary Dec 2012 #169
There's such a high correlation between pulse rate/blood pressure... mojowork_n Dec 2012 #161
No. tpsbmam Dec 2012 #178
I was kidding. Sorry. (Suggesting they must have included people without a pulse in ther numbers.) mojowork_n Dec 2012 #187
Wayyyyyyyyyyy too tired to spot the clear humor!! n/t tpsbmam Dec 2012 #194
Of course it's bullshit RomneyLies Dec 2012 #47
I agree Duppers Dec 2012 #60
Playing with a full deck? Heck they havent even figured out out how to take the cellophane off. cstanleytech Dec 2012 #96
LOL. :D Duppers Dec 2012 #116
Meet my neighbor before you make up your mind. nt Walk away Dec 2012 #81
Obviously you haven't spent much time talking to Fox Viewers. No one needed a sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #99
Smartypants tavalon Dec 2012 #102
No such report on Intelligence-Institute.com is found. Festivito Dec 2012 #129
I call bullshit even more..... tpsbmam Dec 2012 #185
Hmmmm... Now, why does it show a popup for the Onion when I follow the link...? nt Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #12
Not the Onion. Whovian Dec 2012 #13
Oh, I don't doubt that it's not true... Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #19
Oh no, it's definitely made up muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #31
So what is 'business intelligence'? pbrower2a Dec 2012 #121
In my limited exposure to the term... Buns_of_Fire Dec 2012 #174
And from Forbes Whovian Dec 2012 #15
What I'm taking away from my first read Coyotl Dec 2012 #16
That's $199 well spent muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #17
OMG that's funny! tavalon Dec 2012 #103
Interesting Turbineguy Dec 2012 #147
I suspect this is a satirical piece, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #18
80 is higher... orwell Dec 2012 #21
They needed a study for this? We all know Fox News viewers are stupid... Initech Dec 2012 #22
President Obama standing next to a "ghostly" image of a child holding a tarantula. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #23
Well duh. Rehpotsirhc Dec 2012 #24
Welcome to DU and I hope you enjoy the site. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #27
That response kind of proves the point of this study. JaneyVee Dec 2012 #28
The country has already gone *2* hell thanks to stupid fox news viewers. I hope they are happy. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #40
And his medication! nt Walk away Dec 2012 #82
welcome to DU! renate Dec 2012 #138
I work with many PhD chemists who watch Fox News exclusively... Hun Joro Dec 2012 #25
I've met plenty of people with advanced degrees Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #30
Eeek!... lolololol annabanana Dec 2012 #51
Too true.... MAD Dave Dec 2012 #59
I'd like to think that isn't the case with me Victor_c3 Dec 2012 #118
LMAO! OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #62
They keep us techs as far away from the MBA types as possible TrogL Dec 2012 #85
That's great! Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #94
"Except for MBAs. Most of them are idiots within their area of expertise." Rob H. Dec 2012 #142
As my 82-year-old mother is fond of saying. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #150
To be honest, some of them are okay, Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #151
Want to destroy the Chinese economy? hifiguy Dec 2012 #155
In one of Art Buchwald's columns Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #156
A few misguided (or bigoted) PhD's wouldn't be enough to raise the IQ average morningfog Dec 2012 #69
Wasn't there another study much earlier that showed Fox "News" viewers knew less sakabatou Dec 2012 #32
yes, like blaming Acorn for fraudulent voting in 2012. bettyellen Dec 2012 #42
And here's the study for those wanting to know about it (HuffPo) sakabatou Dec 2012 #114
But that is not the study described in the OP. Make7 Dec 2012 #175
I know, I was referring to my own post sakabatou Dec 2012 #180
I know, I wanted to clarify for people browsing the reply titles. Make7 Dec 2012 #183
Stupid autistic me sakabatou Dec 2012 #184
I don't know how you're responsible for the lack of clarity in my writing. Make7 Dec 2012 #189
*shrugs* sakabatou Dec 2012 #190
Now THAT I believe. Believed in WMD, Saddam responsible for 9/11 etc. They don't know current patricia92243 Dec 2012 #141
Interesting the article is on Yahoo. The 80 IQ set has taken over Yahoo blogs. nt bluestate10 Dec 2012 #35
It's from 'PRWEB' - for $199 they will get anything you say on Yahoo News muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #43
+1 ThoughtCriminal Dec 2012 #63
Let's Be Clear: Iggy Dec 2012 #36
I don't think this is real. Nt Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #37
OYOH, I would think that people who don't beleive it is not real would be fox news viewers. nt Whovian Dec 2012 #55
I don't think it is real either. Chemisse Dec 2012 #78
How many viewers does Fox have? At most 2,000,000 and I think it's way less than sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #100
The US population is 314 million Chemisse Dec 2012 #123
Thanks for doing the math, I am terrible at math. I don't think it's true either,.for one sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #188
This was done by a conservative non profit group... the findings do not surprise me NotThisTime Dec 2012 #39
only twenty? spanone Dec 2012 #41
It's fun to believe that the other side is stupid, but an IQ of 80 is a stretch. LostInAnomie Dec 2012 #44
Only 20? I would have guessed more. Liberal Gramma Dec 2012 #46
So... Does this mean stupid people watch Fox "News", or does Fox "News" make you stupider? WhoIsNumberNone Dec 2012 #48
OK Billo Sander Dec 2012 #52
Well, I guess Psychology Today is also into satire. LancetChick Dec 2012 #53
Calling that 'satire' may be generous muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #61
heh heh heh ... like dogs barking at vacuum cleaners Shampoobra Dec 2012 #54
80 used to be the cutoff BainsBane Dec 2012 #57
It's a fake story, people. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #58
shhhh certainot Dec 2012 #66
I have a confession to make. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #144
the perfect gift for republicans! thanks for the suggestion certainot Dec 2012 #206
My poor ex husband.. It's still incredible to Cha Dec 2012 #65
Palin on science ErikJ Dec 2012 #68
One, The Last Democrat Dec 2012 #70
A real chicken / egg connundrum quaker bill Dec 2012 #71
Confirmation -- or insult? pbrower2a Dec 2012 #165
I did not come up with the results quaker bill Dec 2012 #177
Don't really trust general intelligence measurements myself eridani Dec 2012 #72
From last year: "“IE Users Have Lower IQs” Study Is a Hoax: Here Are Some of the Red Flags" muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #73
The Intelligence Institute is also selling... whistler162 Dec 2012 #75
I mentioned this study on a blog dinger130 Dec 2012 #76
Not surprising at all considering Mensans (world wide) lean far left. LittlestStar Dec 2012 #84
See Stupid, Find Repuglicans!!!! Disconnect Dec 2012 #86
Welcome to DU, Disconnect. Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #91
I am P. Nichols and the study is real pnicholstii Dec 2012 #88
Thanks for the study and welcome to du! hrmjustin Dec 2012 #89
New details about study pnicholstii Dec 2012 #110
So good seeing your comments. Thanks, so much, welcome to D.U. n/t Judi Lynn Dec 2012 #120
Well, OK, wait and see. But those results are pretty staggering. mojowork_n Dec 2012 #153
Hey thanks for taking one for the team P. Nichols! bluesbassman Dec 2012 #95
I doubt it. CJCRANE Dec 2012 #164
Really? Where can one see your methodology and actual results? cbayer Dec 2012 #170
Are you doing traditional intelligence tests TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #193
Well according to testing... Historic NY Dec 2012 #90
Dull Dull Normal proReality Dec 2012 #104
What? It took this long to find this out? Gman Dec 2012 #93
How dumb are they? Isoldeblue Dec 2012 #98
Well, file this one under "Duh" tavalon Dec 2012 #101
An IQ of 80? Nah. That's way too high. This is satire for sure. nt Zorra Dec 2012 #105
Did the author, P. Nichols, mean Institute for Intelligence Studies? proReality Dec 2012 #106
We directed link to Huffpo because it showed veracity pnicholstii Dec 2012 #109
You don't know the difference between IQ and 'badly informed' muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #119
No, I believe he's refering to the made-up one in Birmingham, AL. hughee99 Dec 2012 #111
This is troll bait Tab Dec 2012 #107
It's only 20 points! But yeah, it's baloney. DirkGently Dec 2012 #197
I don't believe this was an actual study... Not even a little. hughee99 Dec 2012 #108
This just in to FOX NEWS!!! Takket Dec 2012 #112
In other news, water is wet and a bear does indeed, shit in the woods Taverner Dec 2012 #113
lol, good article Sunlei Dec 2012 #115
I want to thank you for this link. aandegoons Dec 2012 #122
They could probably knock it down to 18 if they quit watching. DirkGently Dec 2012 #124
No surprise there Pakid Dec 2012 #127
this is known as the "Kilmeade Effect" Enrique Dec 2012 #128
"While not all conservatives are stupid people, most stupid people are conservative" mountain grammy Dec 2012 #130
Mark Twain, I think. nt tblue37 Dec 2012 #199
It seems obvious that smart people would avoid Fox "News". mwb970 Dec 2012 #131
So they gave everyone watching fox an IQ test, how did they do that? ThomThom Dec 2012 #132
n/t Ligyron Dec 2012 #133
I feel for the RepuliSuckers who let Fox (R) pollute their brainpans Berlum Dec 2012 #134
In other news, water wet. ElboRuum Dec 2012 #137
That High? Demeter Dec 2012 #140
rofl.. SummerSnow Dec 2012 #143
Hoax for sure Haywood Brothers Dec 2012 #148
Well it certainly didnt take a genus to figure that out!! rhett o rick Dec 2012 #152
It should be a crime to terrorize libodem Dec 2012 #154
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #157
No it is not. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #158
yes, it is fake. there are other studies that confirm this La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #160
Wow ok I was wrong. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #162
yeah it's suspicious at best Tunkamerica Dec 2012 #205
Do you agree people who watch foxnews are idiots. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #163
Obviously a fake story cpwm17 Dec 2012 #167
I'm not sure why that reply was hidden. Make7 Dec 2012 #173
Fake. But appreciated. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #168
Hoax, imo, and successfully set up to make us look stupid. cbayer Dec 2012 #171
And we used to say the same about CB radios! Listen, OK, but start talking and RKP5637 Dec 2012 #176
It sure sounds like a fake study-- probably created to discredit real studies andym Dec 2012 #179
I hereby copyright the "Dogs barking at vacuums" meme. DirkGently Dec 2012 #181
Too Late, Dirk pnicholstii Dec 2012 #192
Perhaps the meme will outlive this hoax study? DirkGently Dec 2012 #195
"we are presenting them to the necessary news wires tomorrow." LOL! You Go Gurl! PossumSqueezins Dec 2012 #200
A study based on Meta discussion threads... -..__... Dec 2012 #196
Sorry, but no. This story is a hoax. I'd bet money on it. tblue37 Dec 2012 #198
personally, i don't believe this. iq 80 is more than 1 standard deviation from the norm, borderline HiPointDem Dec 2012 #201
fighting the urge to read the comments on a yahoo story that says this. Tunkamerica Dec 2012 #203
already researched... hoax Tunkamerica Dec 2012 #204
Debunked - here's a Salon article explaining how and why. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #208
 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
3. Not if you watch Fox news. It doesn't rise, it's just there and moves around. No one understands
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:27 PM
Dec 2012

tides there either.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
5. Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:30 PM
Dec 2012

Unless you discuss, you know, gravitational attraction and the orbit of the moon and stuff.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
125. "...it's just there and moves around."
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:52 AM
Dec 2012

Yeah, I think it's on the back of a large turtle that crawls slowly across the sky.

At least that's what I think I heard...

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
80. They look for him behind the TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:59 PM
Dec 2012

"Honey! Is Billo in the coat closet?"

pbrower2a

(132 posts)
166. My elderly parents do.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:48 PM
Dec 2012

I have a nice collection of classical music on CDs and nice headphones. Gustav Mahler, Jean Sibelius, Carl Nielsen, and Sergei Prokofiev are good for drowning out that stuff.

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
83. I have a dog that barks at Joe Shmoe
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:06 PM
Dec 2012

She growls furiously at Glen Beck but she wags for Rachel and Lawrence.

Clearly, even a dog is smarter than Faux viewers.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
97. Imagine how many people I will have to explain my new sign to.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:31 AM
Dec 2012

The ones that aren't barking at it, anyway...



Brainstormy

(2,504 posts)
126. My dog barks at the vacuum cleaner, too, and
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:01 AM
Dec 2012

for some reason at Gretchen Carlson???? (But at the garden shop he also barks at the statue of St. Francis of Assisi.)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(127,891 posts)
8. A Fox "News" viewer is basically a frightened dog barking at a vacuum cleaner.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:33 PM
Dec 2012

Sounds about right.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
9. I believed the written reports of Palin's IQ ... 83 ... this kind of gives it some credibility.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:34 PM
Dec 2012

Not technically illiterate, but at the lower end of average.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
56. Yes...I couldn't find the first one I saw...the one I found online now don't look as "weathered"
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:09 PM
Dec 2012

or real. But, I'll give her some slack if she'll just go away.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
67. It is a proven fact that the dumbest cat that ever lived was still smarter than any Republican
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:51 PM
Dec 2012

that ever drew breath on this planet.


 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
182. ECE...Primary here. Absolutely challenged. But we had to "pass" them every year,
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:26 PM
Dec 2012

regardless. Full Inclusion became the catchword for "pass it on to next year's teacher". Maybe it was just California?

pbrower2a

(132 posts)
172. undistinguished
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:44 PM
Dec 2012

Five years in which to graduate from college, and five different colleges, one attended twice. None is a high-quality college, and she does not have the excuse of having been in the military or stopping out to get some contact with reality outside the Ivory Tower. She had trouble with college in Hawaii with surely a large number of Asian-American students, some of whom are not native speakers of English. Heck, I attended UC Berkeley and I knew the way in which to communicate with people who are not native speakers of English, which is to stick to the formal register because that is the language taught in English classes for anyone who isn't a native speaker of English, and don't make linguistic formations that are clever but unclear. Such is the same whether the original language of the speaker is Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Tagalog, Arabic, Finnish -- or even Dutch (the language closest to English). I was surprised at times at how good the English was of someone born perhaps in Vietnam -- but my English (and word choice) had to be good enough to be understood too.

Sarah Palin frequently goes into the non-formal register that non-native speakers of English find difficult to understand. She coined the word "refudiate" (the spell check is flashing with that word) and uses words in non-conventional ways, as in "Barack Obama pals with terrorists". When she was running for President polls showed that even if she did reasonably well instates with few non-native speakers of English, she did extremely badly with people who weren't native speakers of English. She was doing worse in Texas than she was doing in New Hampshire. Contrast Mike Huckabee, who may be even more reactionary... but nobody finds him confusing.

Poor grammar and misuse of words is inconsistent with someone born into an English-speaking world and who has a college degree... and a high level of intelligence. So is lacking a clue that one is in trouble in a social situation. I recognized that she was not up to campaigning for a President when she made her "Real America" speech in Chillicothe, Ohio that disparaged urban America and had no idea that the microphones picking up her speech were from Columbus, one of the heavily-populated versions of Sodom and Gomorrah for being urban. It went well in Chillicothe but badly in Columbus and then went all over America and proved a flop in places like Indianapolis, Denver, Las Vegas, Charlotte, Miami, and Norfolk. She lacked any clue on how media operate in America even if she had been a sportscaster and lacked the curiosity to ask what TV market she was in.


 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
202. 80 is borderline retarded. i doubt palin's iq is 80, & i know of no legal way that her actual
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:57 AM
Dec 2012

IQ score would be released to the public without her permission.

maybe your first reaction -- not to believe it -- was the correct one.

palin's academic & career history does not indicate that she is borderline retarded; rather the opposite, she's a sharp ambitious woman, however much you dislike her politics or tactics (some of which i expect include role-playing the good christian female).

palin was in honor society in high school, according to snopes.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
209. It recurred a number of times, as did failing college scores. Every politician is "vetted" and she
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:13 PM
Dec 2012

was not.

The sexist stuff is very old...oh and the fact that women were jealous of her because she was attractive. Hogwash. Her college record was abysmal. No matter, putting this person forth as a Presidential prospect, via a slip on the banana peel, wasn't funny from any gender perspective.

NoodleyAppendage

(4,625 posts)
11. I call bullish*t.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:40 PM
Dec 2012

While I don't doubt that IQs may be a bit lower, but a full 20 point difference in full scale IQ is not likely. This news blurb is doubly suspicious because there is no link to the methodology or statistics used to obtain the reported results.

Unless these data were vetted through the peer-review process, then its worth about as much scientifically as spitting in the wind to measure atmospheric velocity.

J

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
26. You're right,
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:22 PM
Dec 2012

but it is curious that the Intelligence Institute's clients are mostly corporations, if I have the right web-site, and it's hard to tell what they're selling exactly as one wades through the doublespeak.

Make7

(8,547 posts)
45. Not bullshit, it's satire. (Well, maybe it is bullshit too.)
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:50 PM
Dec 2012

Does anyone really think a study purporting to measure IQ would do this:

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left: 1em; border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius: 0.4615em; box-shadow: 3px 3px 3px #999999;"]One test involved showing subjects a series of images and measuring their vitals, namely pulse rate and blood pressure. The self-identified conservatives' vitals increased over 35% when shown complex or shocking images. The image that caused the most stress was a poorly edited picture of President Obama standing next to a "ghostly" image of a child holding a tarantula.
How can anyone take that seriously?

reACTIONary

(6,756 posts)
145. Yes, that can be taken very seriously...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:24 PM
Dec 2012

While I don't follow this topic explicitly, I have noticed a number of studies that have correlated conservative political attitudes to underlying cognitive and emotional styles. Conservatives are more inclined towards emotional reactions of disgust, fear and confusion. They (supposedly) react more strongly to strange, bad smells.

The pictures described seem to be an extension or elaboration testing this hypothesis.

Make7

(8,547 posts)
159. How exactly does that correlate to IQ?
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:35 PM
Dec 2012

If a subject's vitals increase when shown a poorly edited picture of President Obama standing next to a ghostly image of a child holding a tarantula, does that mean they are afraid of black people? Spiders? Politicians? Ghosts? Perhaps they lost a child that looks similar to the one in the picture? Or maybe they just hate kids? Perhaps they love Obama?

And how does the measure of that reaction (whatever the underlying cause) translate objectively into the measure of their IQ?

[div style="display:table;"][div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]35% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 72[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]30% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 76[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]25% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 80[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]20% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 84[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]15% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 88[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]10% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 92[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]5% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 96[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]no change in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 100[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]5% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 104[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]10% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 108[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]15% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 112[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]20% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 116[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]25% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 120[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]30% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 124[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]35% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 128

reACTIONary

(6,756 posts)
169. I don't think it does, I didn't say that it did, and I didn't read that it did in the excerpt....
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:32 PM
Dec 2012

...but it didn't strike me as anything other than serious research. It isn't a satirical, nonsensical line of query.

I don't think that the exact content of the picture was the point (Obama, black people, ghosts, spiders, etc.). I think the point of the picture was to display an emotionally unsettling, complex and confusing juxtaposition of images to understand the subject's tolerance for exposure to such elements. Not their exact opinion about spiders or Obama.

mojowork_n

(2,354 posts)
161. There's such a high correlation between pulse rate/blood pressure...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:36 PM
Dec 2012

Last edited Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)

...and the ability to draw breath. And those test subjects that had that ability were demonstrably far superior
in their responses to the test than those that did not.

Isn't that a standard element of any I.Q. testing methodology? (Some of the "Fox Viewers" being tested, it would seem, had previously been scared to death. But apparently, they were still included in the test group.)

But, like WOW ....Cool text box.

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left: 1em; border: 2px solid #6600cc; border-radius: 0.4615em; box-shadow: 6px 6px 6px #999999;"]Just playing around to see if I can copy the formatting. So typing and pasting.....a favorite quote:

“The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves.” William Hazlitt

Thanks, didn't know it was possible to get that fancy on D.U.!

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
178. No.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:06 PM
Dec 2012
There's such a high correlation between pulse rate/blood pressure...and the ability to draw breath. And those test subjects that had that ability were demonstrably far superior in their responses to the test than those that did not.

Isn't that a standard element of any I.Q. testing methodology?


Um.....no. Take it from someone who's done quite a lot of IQ testing, as well as neuropsychological testing....oh, and measuring BP, etc isn't typical of typical neuropsych testing either. It is occasionally used one measure in neuropsych & medical studies that measure brain brain functioning (e.g., fMRI, SPECT & PET scans), sometimes using IQ as one measure in the study's protocol, more often using neuropsych measures as the test measures. There have been a tiny number of specialized studies measuring IQ as correlated with BP.....e.g., a nephrology study looking at children with chronic kidney disease & it's correlation with hypertension, one of the measures in the study.

But your assumption is wrong -- those aren't "standing elements of any I.Q. testing methodology."

ETA: I failed to address your basic premise -- no such relationship has been established between BP and IQ. There is a relationship between maternal BP and fetus' IQ, but no relationship has been established in the general population between BP and IQ.

mojowork_n

(2,354 posts)
187. I was kidding. Sorry. (Suggesting they must have included people without a pulse in ther numbers.)
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:48 PM
Dec 2012

But thanks for clarifying how tests are actually given.

Duppers

(28,442 posts)
60. I agree
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:14 PM
Dec 2012

I cannot find a link to a valid study on this either.

Yet, we know that Fox viewers aren't playing with a full deck.

cstanleytech

(27,997 posts)
96. Playing with a full deck? Heck they havent even figured out out how to take the cellophane off.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:27 AM
Dec 2012

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
99. Obviously you haven't spent much time talking to Fox Viewers. No one needed a
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:21 AM
Dec 2012

clinical study. I'm surprised they scored so high.

Festivito

(13,805 posts)
129. No such report on Intelligence-Institute.com is found.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:15 AM
Dec 2012

or any of the other self-described intelligence wannabes.

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
185. I call bullshit even more.....
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:40 PM
Dec 2012

This is pure BS -- there are no data to vet. murielv. is right -- it was $199 well spent in that it fooled a whole lot of people. Someone is getting hearty laughs out of all of the repostings around the web.

Buns_of_Fire

(18,862 posts)
19. Oh, I don't doubt that it's not true...
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:06 PM
Dec 2012

It's just that it seemed odd to have that specific popup show up. That, and the fact that it came from PRWEB and not directly from the Intelligence Institute ( http://www.intelligence-institute.com/index.html ), which seems geared more to Business Intelligence, rather than can these people tie their own shoelaces without professional help.

Either way, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,041 posts)
31. Oh no, it's definitely made up
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:25 PM
Dec 2012

It would be impossible to get an average IQ that low for a group as large as 'Fox News viewers'. That website is from 2009; it looks incredibly unprofessional, and might be a scam, part of the spoof, or just something an individual put up to publicise themselves.

pbrower2a

(132 posts)
121. So what is 'business intelligence'?
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:37 AM
Dec 2012

It sounds like market research to determine what people watch what programming and what patterns of behavior one can expect.

It would seem that FoX viewers are gullible and like the communications fed to them very simple. That may leave guidance for [product placement.

Buns_of_Fire

(18,862 posts)
174. In my limited exposure to the term...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:50 PM
Dec 2012

(when I worked for a fairly large corporation), it meant scoping out the competition -- by analysis, by hook and/or by crook, by spying on them, by talking to their vendors or former employees, by all of the above, whatever -- to see what they were up to. If they were developing a new product, a new design, or enhancing one of their existing products, it'd be nice for your company to know that as early as possible so you could choose to develop your own competing product, or get (or maintain) a competitive advantage in some other way.

It can also be interpreted as you stated. Either way, it usually fell under Marketing's umbrella.

That said, I didn't really hang around the site long enough to get a full interpretation of what they were about. I just looked around for some reference to the article in question.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
16. What I'm taking away from my first read
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 06:53 PM
Dec 2012

Fox news viewers are the kind of people who bark at vacuum cleaners

Turbineguy

(39,527 posts)
147. Interesting
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:37 PM
Dec 2012

Of course the point here is that if this report appeared on a wingnut site and said that liberals have IQ's 20 percent below Fox News viewers, it would be accepted as coming straight from the Burning Bush.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
23. President Obama standing next to a "ghostly" image of a child holding a tarantula.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:15 PM
Dec 2012

That must give them nightmares.

Rehpotsirhc

(1 post)
24. Well duh.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:16 PM
Dec 2012

I posted this on my Facebook, and got a few responses, one of which was, and I quote, "man u r goin 2 hell. its cuz of u stupid liberal that the (n-word) got the office again. i hope ur happy wen the country goes 2 hell". Needless to say, that person is now off of my friends list.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,303 posts)
40. The country has already gone *2* hell thanks to stupid fox news viewers. I hope they are happy.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:41 PM
Dec 2012

Hun Joro

(666 posts)
25. I work with many PhD chemists who watch Fox News exclusively...
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:17 PM
Dec 2012

They are undeniably brilliant in their fields, so this is very puzzling to me. I live in a very red area and I am a moonbat weirdo in my environment.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
30. I've met plenty of people with advanced degrees
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:24 PM
Dec 2012

that were idiots once they stepped out of their area of expertise. Except for MBAs. Most of them are idiots within their area of expertise.

MAD Dave

(204 posts)
59. Too true....
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:12 PM
Dec 2012

Chemists seem to be the worst. (I am one) It is scary how many of them have breathed way too many solvents.....for real!

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
118. I'd like to think that isn't the case with me
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:03 AM
Dec 2012

I'm good at everything else except for chemistry

I'm a chemist for the federal government. I like to think of myself as being more of an overpaid technician. Most of my work is very routine and monotonous, but I like it.

TrogL

(32,828 posts)
85. They keep us techs as far away from the MBA types as possible
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:18 PM
Dec 2012

My boss got in trouble for playing bullshit bingo

Rob H.

(5,735 posts)
142. "Except for MBAs. Most of them are idiots within their area of expertise."
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:19 PM
Dec 2012

In the past year I've worked with three people with MBAs (one of whom got fired a couple of months ago) and a single potted plant probably has more common sense than all three of 'em put together.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
150. As my 82-year-old mother is fond of saying.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:39 PM
Dec 2012

In future millennia, when studies are done of the long gone American culture, the finding will be that we were a relatively progressive society done in by something called an MBA.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
151. To be honest, some of them are okay,
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:46 PM
Dec 2012

but they were probably fairly bright before they went to college. What raises a red flag is the ones who have to remind you they have an MBA every time they have a conversation with you.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
155. Want to destroy the Chinese economy?
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:15 PM
Dec 2012

Carpet bomb them with MBAs and HR "professionals." That should bring them to their knees in short order.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
156. In one of Art Buchwald's columns
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:23 PM
Dec 2012

a long time ago he said the US government should pay the way for any Chinese citizen who wants to go to Harvard law or business school, as long as they agree to go back to China after graduating and practice there.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
69. A few misguided (or bigoted) PhD's wouldn't be enough to raise the IQ average
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:13 PM
Dec 2012

of the FOX News population. I know some highly educated people who despite their intelligence go to fundamentalist christian churches every Sunday and believe it.

sakabatou

(45,430 posts)
32. Wasn't there another study much earlier that showed Fox "News" viewers knew less
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:25 PM
Dec 2012

about current events?

Make7

(8,547 posts)
175. But that is not the study described in the OP.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:01 PM
Dec 2012

The Huffington Post article you linked to is describing an entirely different study [font style="font-size:0.8462em;"](even though that is the link found in the press release about the "IQ study&quot [/font] - here is the release from the college about the poll conducted regarding how informed consumers of different media are:

  http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/final.pdf

No mention of IQ at all. No mention of anyone named P. Nichols.

There is no link to the study in the OP because it doesn't exist - there is no such study with those conclusions.

Make7

(8,547 posts)
183. I know, I wanted to clarify for people browsing the reply titles.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:31 PM
Dec 2012

I thought my edit made that more clear. (Perhaps not.)

One of the biggest red flags about the "study" in the OP is the fact that the "press release" links to an article about an entirely different study with a different purpose, methodology, and conclusion. That article happens to be the one you linked to at HuffPo.

It's funny that the text for the link to HuffPo in the "press release" in the OP is: More info to this study can be seen here.

Um, no. More info about the "study" cannot be seen at that link. There is no more information anywhere - the "study" in the OP doesn't exist.

Make7

(8,547 posts)
189. I don't know how you're responsible for the lack of clarity in my writing.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:07 PM
Dec 2012

But if you want to take credit for it, I'm willing to bestow that honor upon you.

patricia92243

(12,968 posts)
141. Now THAT I believe. Believed in WMD, Saddam responsible for 9/11 etc. They don't know current
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:53 PM
Dec 2012

events they are willfully misled and believe what is told to them.

Sad really that intelligent people can be so dumb.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
36. Let's Be Clear:
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:36 PM
Dec 2012

watching FAUX News did not cause test subjects lower IQ test scores.

these folks had a lower IQ wayyyyy before they began watching FAUX.

 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
55. OYOH, I would think that people who don't beleive it is not real would be fox news viewers. nt
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:03 PM
Dec 2012

Chemisse

(31,229 posts)
78. I don't think it is real either.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:56 PM
Dec 2012

There is a reason why 100 is the average IQ; it's because the majority of people hover near that number. There are not enough 80-IQ people (which is just 10 points from mentally retarded, if I may use an old term) to make up the large numbers of FOX viewers.

This would have been a lot more believable if the difference had been perhaps 5 points.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
100. How many viewers does Fox have? At most 2,000,000 and I think it's way less than
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:27 AM
Dec 2012

that. Out of over 3 hundred million people, that is a tiny %.

Chemisse

(31,229 posts)
123. The US population is 314 million
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:00 AM
Dec 2012

If you subtract the 20 percent that are children, that would be about 250 million aged 15 and over.

People with an IQ of 80 make up one percent of the population, but to just average to 80, we can include all those between say, 70 and 90 IQ. This is about 22 percent, or a bit over 50 million.

So you are right; the numbers are there - easily.

I still don't believe this though, even though it makes sense that people with a lower IQ would gravitate toward FOX. I just think there are a lot of people with normal intelligence that are just whacked out when it comes to politics.

I think if someone did a good, legitimate study of this, there would be an average IQ difference, but it would be small, like 5 percent.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
188. Thanks for doing the math, I am terrible at math. I don't think it's true either,.for one
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:58 PM
Dec 2012

thing, a lot of people with a low IQ are wonderful people and would be instinctively turned off all the vitriol on Fox.

And the same is true of people with high IQs in reverse, some are just hateful, nasty people.

Uninformed I believe to be true. How if you use Fox as your main 'news' source could you be informed.

LostInAnomie

(14,428 posts)
44. It's fun to believe that the other side is stupid, but an IQ of 80 is a stretch.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 07:49 PM
Dec 2012

Seriously, 80 is only 10 points above mild mental retardation. If you believe the other side is THAT dumb, you're only fooling yourself.

LancetChick

(272 posts)
53. Well, I guess Psychology Today is also into satire.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:00 PM
Dec 2012
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/why-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives

Here's a snippet:

Because all members of a hunter-gatherer tribe are genetic kin or at the very least friends and allies for life, sharing resources among them does not qualify as an expression of liberalism as defined above. Given its absence in the contemporary hunter-gatherer tribes, which are often used as modern-day analogs of our ancestral life, it may be reasonable to infer that sharing of resources with total strangers that one has never met or is not likely ever to meet – that is, liberalism – was not part of our ancestral life. Liberalism may therefore be evolutionarily novel, and the Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely than less intelligent individuals to espouse liberalism as a value.

Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.

Shampoobra

(423 posts)
54. heh heh heh ... like dogs barking at vacuum cleaners
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:01 PM
Dec 2012

"Less intelligent animals rely on instinct when confronted by something which they do not understand. This is an ancient survival reaction all animals, including humans, exhibit. It's a very simple phenomenon, really; think about a dog being afraid of a vacuum cleaner. He doesn't know what a vacuum is or if it may harm him, so he becomes agitated and barks at it."



(Damn, I wish I was sophisticated enough and enlightened enough not to find that ball-ticklingly funny.)

BainsBane

(56,985 posts)
57. 80 used to be the cutoff
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:09 PM
Dec 2012

For intellectual disability. It has been lowered in recent decades.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
58. It's a fake story, people.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:11 PM
Dec 2012

If you don't believe me, do a little research. Try to find P. Nichols & the Intelligence Institute wif da Google.

This was apparently a fraudulent story distributed by PRWeb.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
144. I have a confession to make.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:18 PM
Dec 2012

I sent the article to My Favorite Wingnut, fully knowing it was false.

I did it in retaliation for all the bullshit Fox crap he sends me.

Cha

(315,188 posts)
65. My poor ex husband.. It's still incredible to
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 08:34 PM
Dec 2012

me how otherwise seemingly intelligent people can get sucked in to the point of regurgitating fox "news" points and swearing "it's the truth". Not knowing their Brainwashing is Complete right up to guaranteeing 20 Points Lower to their IQ.

It would totally be deal breaker for me now.

EDIT: Oh dear, I got busted again.. thinking something was true.. not reading about the satire part or going to the link. oh well, it was fun to write anyway.. everything holds true except the "20 Points in IQ" DIP.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
68. Palin on science
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:02 PM
Dec 2012

"And sometimes these dollars go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the public good, things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not."

- former Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska), 2008

70. One,
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:48 PM
Dec 2012

of the ladies my wife golfs with said her husband is fully informed….he watches Fox News. Ya, right LOL.

quaker bill

(8,258 posts)
71. A real chicken / egg connundrum
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 09:53 PM
Dec 2012

Does fox attract those slow on the uptake, or does watching Fox produce this result? One could only figure this out by making high IQ folks watch Fox and retest to see if IQ dropped, or perhaps making Fox viewers watch only PBS and see if scores improve.

Of course such experimentation on humans might well violate the Geneva Conventions....

pbrower2a

(132 posts)
165. Confirmation -- or insult?
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:45 PM
Dec 2012

Intelligent, learned people would surely hate FoX Propaganda Channel -- if I am any indicator. Even when it isn't political (as on a crime story) it quickly makes me angry. Riling people is not news; it is manipulation. Smart people recognize and loathe crude attempts to manipulate them. People who abhor FoX News shut it out.

Level of intelligence? Sesame Street is less troublesome. But it heavily uses humor, some of it working on different esthetic levels. It has to be tolerable at the level of a parent who might try to use it to influence a child's learning even if its primary focus is children. FoX is deadly serious even if it doesn't merit belief. Heck, North Korean 'news' is offered as deadly-serious material even if it is ludicrous if contrasted to official news from the People's Republic of China on anything outside China. I trust Russian and Chinese news about the US more than I trust FoX news.

Someone who can see what FoX tries to do can avoid damage. Now contrast PBS' News Hour. It competes with the superficial news coverage on the three main networks, but it can go in depth on a subject as ABC, CBS, or NBC Nightly News (or for that matter, CNN Headline News) can't. It can cover three stories in one hour-long program with nearly twenty minutes each without filler. After ads, the 30-minute newscasts reduce to about twenty minutes and five to eight stories and obviously little on each.

But...FoX News is 24/7 and has good resources, right? Of course. But much of it is analysis directed at pushing a political agenda. Are America's hard-working and worthy super-rich in need of even higher profits and executive compensation... or much more, irrespective of the human cost to people who really don't matter? Is Barack Obama simply evil or is he the agent of destruction of America? That is not what I think of as useful analysis. I prefer "what are the economic consequences of proposed changes of tax laws?", "does this offered agreement make sense?", or "What will the Russians do if Assad uses chemical weapons?"

quaker bill

(8,258 posts)
177. I did not come up with the results
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:34 PM
Dec 2012

I just proposed a controlled experiment to test them. Most testing I have read indicates that Fox viewers know less about the world than people who watch no news at all. Is it that Fox misinforms, or is it that their average viewer has an 80 IQ. (it is really hard to correctly inform anyone so challenged)

(Of course an average of 80 suggests that there are at least some 60s and 70s in the mix.) Having volunteered with the mentally challenged, this result seems less than credible. 80s are fairly dim folks, but when you get down to the 60s and 70s, special testing is required for accuracy as they are well outside of one standard deviation from the norm. Folks at that level must be trained at length just to correctly count back change, if they can grasp the concept at all.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
72. Don't really trust general intelligence measurements myself
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:11 PM
Dec 2012

However, the fact that Faux Noise viewers have already been shown to be far less informed than viewers of other channels has already been established.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,041 posts)
73. From last year: "“IE Users Have Lower IQs” Study Is a Hoax: Here Are Some of the Red Flags"
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:18 PM
Dec 2012
A widely circulated research study claiming to show that Internet Explorer users have lower IQs has been outed as a hoax.

An outlet calling itself the “AptiQuant Psychometric Consulting Company” threw up a phony website a month ago, copied staff photos from a French site, and issued a press release [malware-free PDF] to reporters. Major newspapers, web sites and television stations from England to the US ran the story.
...
But that’s not what the study claimed to show. If anything, most outlets toned it down. Only some, like The Daily Mail, relayed the full implications:



As Cambridge statistician David Spiegelhalter told the BBC, “these figures are implausibly low – and an insult to IE users.” To their credit, someone at The Daily Mail realized this was batty, and they quickly pulled the story from their site.

http://www.wired.com/business/2011/08/internet-explorer-users-have-lower-iqs-study-is-a-hoax-here-are-some-of-the-red-flags/


This is similar, except in this case they haven't even bothered setting up fake websites. Just a claim from an untraceable 'institute', and an untraceable researcher.
 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
75. The Intelligence Institute is also selling...
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:30 PM
Dec 2012

a bridge in the area of Brooklyn and land west of Miami beach both very cheap to all that believe them!

LittlestStar

(224 posts)
84. Not surprising at all considering Mensans (world wide) lean far left.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:14 PM
Dec 2012

In fact their Congress of the Intelligent special interest group leans so far left on social issues you would think it was comprised of DUers.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
91. Welcome to DU, Disconnect.
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:45 PM
Dec 2012

Just a tip, you don't have to repeat your subject in the message box....in fact, you don't have to put anything in the message box if you don't want to. Just put your comment in the subject line and end it with n/t (no text) or eom (end of message). That tells everyone that there is nothing more to see.

pnicholstii

(4 posts)
88. I am P. Nichols and the study is real
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:35 PM
Dec 2012

I'm glad that everyone is reading our study. I want to say that it is real and all data we reported was collected accurately.

pnicholstii

(4 posts)
110. New details about study
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:34 AM
Dec 2012

The group that funded our research did not want to be associated with the findings. Because they are a Republican PAC, they want to maintain their anonymity. They represent moderate Republicans and the interest of the party. They understand they cannot negotiate with the Fox News demo and they will never win another general election until they remove this ugliness from their base. They do not want the Republican party to continue to represent hate, ignorance, homophobia, and xenophobia.

The results of the study were collected and reported using a standard practices. The Intelligence Institute is a pseudonym created to take the "heat" from the right.

PRWeb has flagged the release because they need more proof. Our representatives have spoken with PRWeb's Executive team and are going to present the information proving this study's findings were in fact collected and reported properly. PRWeb recently had a problem with a fraudulent release about a Google acquisition and are being careful not to publish "fake" news.

We have created an impromptu tumblr account to keep the media and public up to date concerning this study.

@pnicholstii
theintelligenceinstitute.tumblr.com

Sincerely,

P. Nichols
Twitter @pnicholstii theintelligenceinstitute.tumblr.com

mojowork_n

(2,354 posts)
153. Well, OK, wait and see. But those results are pretty staggering.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:58 PM
Dec 2012

First of all, the average IQ in the U.S. is a little below 100:

98

http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

But for the average of that viewing population to be 80.... how many had to come from the very lowest end of the range?

I'd be very interested to see how you selected your test subjects.

bluesbassman

(20,338 posts)
95. Hey thanks for taking one for the team P. Nichols!
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:51 PM
Dec 2012

I don't think I could've lasted that long in a room full of Fox News watchers.

And welcome to DU, glad you're here!

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
164. I doubt it.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:42 PM
Dec 2012

Where is the Intelligence Institute?

If it's real there must be a real website, not just a virtually empty tumblr account.

Historic NY

(39,379 posts)
90. Well according to testing...
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:41 PM
Dec 2012

Binet Scale
70–79 is Borderline Deficiency Mild disability (modern term)
80–89 is Dull Dull Normal (modern term)



Isoldeblue

(1,135 posts)
98. How dumb are they?
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:10 AM
Dec 2012
Welllllllllll, if you took the brain of a bee and put it in a bagger, he'd fly backwards.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
101. Well, file this one under "Duh"
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:29 AM
Dec 2012

I always wondered if low intelligence people gravitated to Bullshit Mountain or if Bullshit Mountain rained so much stupid on their heads, that they got dumb.

proReality

(1,628 posts)
106. Did the author, P. Nichols, mean Institute for Intelligence Studies?
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:54 AM
Dec 2012

Mercyhurst University

When businesses, institutions, nonprofit organizations, or governmental agencies need to reduce uncertainty, one place they can turn to is the Institute for Intelligence Studies at Mercyhurst. Many already have.

The Institute for Intelligence Studies at Mercyhurst University has a research and analysis arm, the Center for Intelligence Research Analysis and Training (CIRAT). This center has provided research and analysis products to clients since 1995. Over the years, it has done research and analysis for agencies such as Department of Defense, the European Union Parliament, Central Intelligence Agency, Procter & Gamble, Coca Cola, Erie Regional Chamber of Commerce, Eriez Magnetics, and many more.

More: http://www.iismu.org/research-analysis

pnicholstii

(4 posts)
109. We directed link to Huffpo because it showed veracity
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:31 AM
Dec 2012

The group that funded our research did not want to be associated with the findings. Because they are a Republican PAC, they want to maintain their anonymity. They represent moderate Republicans and the interest of the party. They understand they cannot negotiate with the Fox News demo and they will never win another general election until they remove this ugliness from their base. They do not want the Republican party to continue to represent hate, ignorance, homophobia, and xenophobia.

The results of the study were collected and reported using a standard practices. The Intelligence Institute is a pseudonym created to take the "heat" from the right.

PRWeb has flagged the release because they need more proof. Our representatives have spoken with PRWeb's Executive team and are going to present the information proving this study's findings were in fact collected and reported properly. PRWeb recently had a problem with a fraudulent release about a Google acquisition and are being careful not to publish "fake" news.

We have created an impromptu tumblr account to keep the media and public up to date concerning this study.

@pnicholstii
theintelligenceinstitute.tumblr.com

Sincerely,

P. Nichols

muriel_volestrangler

(105,041 posts)
119. You don't know the difference between IQ and 'badly informed'
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:04 AM
Dec 2012

which is, on its own, all the proof we need to see that you know nothing about this area at all, and couldn't administer IQ tests. Hell, it shows you didn't bother to check Wikipedia for some basic information before you started. Whether or not you're the person who put this on PRWEB, or just a random hoaxer (could be another DUer, could be a new visitor), we can't tell, yet. But the HuffPo article just talks about Fox News viewers being badly informed, which is not the same as unintelligent - intelligence tests are not general knowledge quizzes.

Your claim that you invented a bogus "Intelligence Institute" is unbelievable. If you were a real researcher, that on its own would have meant they can just say "see? He makes things up". Creating a Tumblr account using the name means nothing (though it does make you look pretty amateur).

If you think this helps the left, then you're wrong. It just associates some lies with being anti-Fox. At worst, this will be used to say "look at the lying left wingers - they make stuff up to say we're stupid. They can't be trusted. They hate normal people." Of course, it's quite possible that you want that to happen, because you want this hoax to make liberals look bad, whether or not you originated it.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
107. This is troll bait
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:00 AM
Dec 2012

It's a little too over the top. 7 points maybe, 80 I don't think so. Also "Less intelligent animals rely on instinct when confronted by something they don't undersand". It goes on to make an analogy of a dog and a vacuum cleaner. I'm no defender of Faux News viewers, but this just rings of troll-baiting.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
197. It's only 20 points! But yeah, it's baloney.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:26 AM
Dec 2012

Maybe conservatives are trying to prove that previous, serious reports of Fox viewers' poorly informed worldview are also nonsense.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
108. I don't believe this was an actual study... Not even a little.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:30 AM
Dec 2012

By the way, the "conservative non-profit group"'s shows it's for real by having such recent articles as the following.

Recent Posts

Study: Fox ‘News’ viewers have an IQ that’s 20 points lower than the U.S. National average
Morning coffee
What we learned from Boehner this morning: the GOP will take everyone hostage for The Wealthy
House Speaker John Boehner will hold a news conference at 11 a.m. ET.
This is where most of us part ways with the Republican Party
Morning coffee: TGIF
To all the seniors who voted Republican to protect Medicare: YOU’VE BEEN HAD!
Midmorning break: warm bath
Virginia Foxx as a metaphor for the GOP’s attitude towards diversity
Chicago
Darden Restaurants takes a stock hit, announces it won’t reduce workers’ hours
“It’s official: Republicans hate the UN more than they like helping people in wheelchairs.”

Takket

(23,299 posts)
112. This just in to FOX NEWS!!!
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:39 AM
Dec 2012

Muslim Obama master plan to destroy American is discovered! He's going to kill all out chldren with tarantulas! FOX NEWS ALERT! WHOOP WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
115. lol, good article
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:05 AM
Dec 2012

"The self-identified conservatives' vitals increased over 35% when shown complex or shocking images. The image that caused the most stress was a poorly edited picture of President Obama standing next to a "ghostly" image of a child holding a tarantula."

aandegoons

(473 posts)
122. I want to thank you for this link.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:40 AM
Dec 2012

If we each take a little time and post this at the work place and forward it to someone else we will slowly win America back.

mountain grammy

(28,348 posts)
130. "While not all conservatives are stupid people, most stupid people are conservative"
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:41 AM
Dec 2012

don't know the source of that quote, but it's an oldie and a goodie.

mwb970

(11,993 posts)
131. It seems obvious that smart people would avoid Fox "News".
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:12 AM
Dec 2012

The clips that I see from it on The Daily Show and elsewhere insult my intelligence. Now we find out why their viewers don't worry about that.

This dovetails with those earlier studies showing that Fox "News" viewers believe all sorts of outlandish falsehoods, much more than the consumers of any other news source.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
132. So they gave everyone watching fox an IQ test, how did they do that?
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:58 AM
Dec 2012

All newspapers, I have been told, are written at an 8th grade level so that is a none starter.
What about MSNBC and CNN are they made at a junior high level too

Is yahoo is a reliable source? We do know that fox misinforms and misrepresents things. Real statistics show fox viewers are less knowledgeable than DU readers that is easily proved but IQs I have my doubts. Most viewers are not aware that fox is selling crap.

Ligyron

(7,981 posts)
133. n/t
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 11:58 AM
Dec 2012

The ability of otherwise intelligent, educated people to suspend their critical thinking skills when it comes to their belief system is a source of never ending amazement to me. I've walked into Doctors, Vets, etc. offices where proselytizing, religious music payed loudly and proudly in the waiting room. I sure would go there myself but that's friggin' scary.

That combined with confirmation bias and the tendency for primates to distrust or even hate groups outside their own troupe, (along with other factors), seem as good an explanation as any as to why some of our countrymen act the way they do.

Against their own interests even

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
134. I feel for the RepuliSuckers who let Fox (R) pollute their brainpans
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:00 PM
Dec 2012

...and so dramatically lower their IQ.

If they ever wake up realize how the Republicans, Inc. have suckered them, there will be Holy Hell to pay...

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
137. In other news, water wet.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:57 PM
Dec 2012

Funny, most of us who have ever had any sort of political "conversation" with a Fox News viewer could have told them that.

Haywood Brothers

(19 posts)
148. Hoax for sure
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:56 PM
Dec 2012

There is no such Inteiigence Institute. It's a fake press release and somebody at Yahoo News got fooled.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
154. It should be a crime to terrorize
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:59 PM
Dec 2012

Stupid people. I swear we will have a crisis of Nation Psychosis, if this is allowed to continue.

Billo, is their intellectual icon, cuz he is so, middle of the road, fair and balanced.

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Response to Whovian (Original post)

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
167. Obviously a fake story
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:00 PM
Dec 2012

There's no way that such a large group of people can have that low of an IQ. Intelligence is far more complicated than who is gullible enough to believe what FOX News says. That would put them at around the bottom 10% of the population.

Make7

(8,547 posts)
173. I'm not sure why that reply was hidden.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:46 PM
Dec 2012

The "study" is obviously not real, therefore the comment seems entirely accurate.

I wonder if the jurors left comments to let us know what the reasoning was for the hide...

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
168. Fake. But appreciated.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:11 PM
Dec 2012

Just go to web site of "The Intelligence Institute" and you'll see they have nothing to do with conducting such studies.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
176. And we used to say the same about CB radios! Listen, OK, but start talking and
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:05 PM
Dec 2012

your IQ drops 20 points!

andym

(6,041 posts)
179. It sure sounds like a fake study-- probably created to discredit real studies
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:08 PM
Dec 2012

that show that Fox news viewers were seriously uninformed (Farleigh Dickinson University study) which Fox news tried to dispute http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/05/24/fairleigh-dickinson-foxs-response-to-our-survey/186686

Or the work of Satoshi Kanazawa that propose and use data to support the idea that conservatives are less intelligent than liberals:

http://csr.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=150:is-atheism-linked-to-intelligence&catid=25:research-news&Itemid=59

pnicholstii

(4 posts)
192. Too Late, Dirk
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 10:48 PM
Dec 2012

I am quoted using the metaphor in our press release. We'll share the credit with you because our cause is to help the U.S. and it's people.

The results of our study are real and we are presenting them to the necessary news wires tomorrow.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
195. Perhaps the meme will outlive this hoax study?
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:19 AM
Dec 2012

You should give DU the inside scoop on what you're really up to, P.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-giltz/exclusive-pr-guru-behind_b_2268959.html

'Cause it ain't scientific study, is it?

PossumSqueezins

(184 posts)
200. "we are presenting them to the necessary news wires tomorrow." LOL! You Go Gurl!
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:41 AM
Dec 2012

Sorry, but this doesn't pass the smell test on so many levels.

If you are from a Conservative group, you would only want news agencies to print this so you can then discredit them for reporting garbage.

Conservatives don't believe in real "research" and only use it to make money and they would certainly NEVER pay for it and then allow it to be used to cast them in a bad light. THEY ONLY SUPPORT RESEARCH THAT PROVIDES THE DESIRED RESULTS. That would be in the contract.

And we all know that Conservatards could never have an "Intelligence Institute"!!!! LMAO!

I do have to say that it is a pretty hilarious story and is anecdotally, though not scientifically at this point, supported by everyone's experences with Conservatives.

Include this in your cover letter for a job at The Onion!

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-..__...

(7,776 posts)
196. A study based on Meta discussion threads...
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 12:26 AM
Dec 2012

would most likely return similar (or lower), results.

tblue37

(67,400 posts)
198. Sorry, but no. This story is a hoax. I'd bet money on it.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:39 AM
Dec 2012

Someone at Yahoo News got punked with a fake story.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
201. personally, i don't believe this. iq 80 is more than 1 standard deviation from the norm, borderline
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:48 AM
Dec 2012

mentally retarded. i know plenty of fox viewers, and none are near-retarded. most are actually quite intelligent.

if the 'average' for fox viewers is borderline retarded, that means somewhere around 50% *are* retarded. did they do their research in a group home or something?

political differences aren't about 'intelligence,' however defined. i call 'research' like this propaganda.

Tunkamerica

(4,444 posts)
203. fighting the urge to read the comments on a yahoo story that says this.
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 03:57 AM
Dec 2012

i swear yahoo is purposefully inflammatory sometimes. they know their demo and keep them clicking the links. their "polls" are almost exclusively ridiculous.

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