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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIntelligence Institute Study shows Fox News viewers have an IQ that is 20 points lower than the U.S.
(National Average)
http://news.yahoo.com/intelligence-institute-study-shows-fox-news-viewers-iq-034622242.html
Study shows that the Americans who watch Fox News have an average IQ of 80, whereas the national average is 100. Researchers were not "shocked" by findings.
Birmingham, Alabama (PRWEB) December 04, 2012
The results of a 4 year study show that Americans who obtain their news from Fox News channel have an average IQ of 80, which represents a 20 point deficit when compared to the U.S. national average of 100. IQ, or intelligence quotient, is the international standard of assessing intelligence.
Researchers at The Intelligence Institute, a conservative non-profit group, tested 5,000 people using a series of tests that measure everything from cognitive aptitude to common sense and found that people who identified themselves as Fox News viewers and 'conservative' had, on average, significantly lower intelligent quotients. Fox Viewers represented 2,650 members of the test group.
One test involved showing subjects a series of images and measuring their vitals, namely pulse rate and blood pressure. The self-identified conservatives' vitals increased over 35% when shown complex or shocking images. The image that caused the most stress was a poorly edited picture of President Obama standing next to a "ghostly" image of a child holding a tarantula.
Test subjects who received their news from other outlets or reported they do not watch the news scored an average IQ of 104, compared to 80 for Fox News viewers.
Lead researcher, P. Nichols, explains, "Less intelligent animals rely on instinct when confronted by something which they do not understand. This is an ancient survival reaction all animals, including humans, exhibit. It's a very simple phenomenon, really; think about a dog being afraid of a vacuum cleaner. He doesn't know what a vacuum is or if it may harm him, so he becomes agitated and barks at it. Less intelligent humans do the same thing. Concepts that are too complex for them to understand, may frighten or anger them."
He continues, "Fox News' content is presented at an elementary school level and plays directly into the fears of the less educated and less intelligent."
More at link.

Earth_First
(14,910 posts)
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Whovian
(2,866 posts)tides there either.
RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Unless you discuss, you know, gravitational attraction and the orbit of the moon and stuff.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)That is only for porno sites.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)
Squinch
(57,497 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)Yeah, I think it's on the back of a large turtle that crawls slowly across the sky.
At least that's what I think I heard...
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)Of Science!
KansDem
(28,498 posts)
Hadn't seen that one. Kinda reminds me of this classic:
patricia92243
(12,968 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)
heaven05
(18,124 posts)
LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)Why do I envision Fox watchers barking at the vacuum cleaner?
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)



lmfao!
PDJane
(10,103 posts)Walk away
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AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Me too!
JBoy
(8,021 posts)They think he's never coming back.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)"Honey! Is Billo in the coat closet?"
pbrower2a
(132 posts)I always feel more at ease once a commercial begins.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)pbrower2a
(132 posts)I have a nice collection of classical music on CDs and nice headphones. Gustav Mahler, Jean Sibelius, Carl Nielsen, and Sergei Prokofiev are good for drowning out that stuff.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Do you have a recording of the Nielsen 5th Symphony?
HillWilliam
(3,310 posts)She growls furiously at Glen Beck but she wags for Rachel and Lawrence.
Clearly, even a dog is smarter than Faux viewers.
Release The Hounds
(467 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)The ones that aren't barking at it, anyway...
Brainstormy
(2,504 posts)for some reason at Gretchen Carlson???? (But at the garden shop he also barks at the statue of St. Francis of Assisi.)
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)
dixiegrrrrl
(60,117 posts)Evasporque
(2,133 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(127,891 posts)Sounds about right.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Not technically illiterate, but at the lower end of average.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,117 posts)Hell, my cat is smarter than that.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)or real. But, I'll give her some slack if she'll just go away.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)that ever drew breath on this planet.
progressoid
(52,177 posts)
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Special ed teacher here. She's definitely a low to mid 70s kind of person.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)regardless. Full Inclusion became the catchword for "pass it on to next year's teacher". Maybe it was just California?
pbrower2a
(132 posts)Five years in which to graduate from college, and five different colleges, one attended twice. None is a high-quality college, and she does not have the excuse of having been in the military or stopping out to get some contact with reality outside the Ivory Tower. She had trouble with college in Hawaii with surely a large number of Asian-American students, some of whom are not native speakers of English. Heck, I attended UC Berkeley and I knew the way in which to communicate with people who are not native speakers of English, which is to stick to the formal register because that is the language taught in English classes for anyone who isn't a native speaker of English, and don't make linguistic formations that are clever but unclear. Such is the same whether the original language of the speaker is Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Tagalog, Arabic, Finnish -- or even Dutch (the language closest to English). I was surprised at times at how good the English was of someone born perhaps in Vietnam -- but my English (and word choice) had to be good enough to be understood too.
Sarah Palin frequently goes into the non-formal register that non-native speakers of English find difficult to understand. She coined the word "refudiate" (the spell check is flashing with that word) and uses words in non-conventional ways, as in "Barack Obama pals with terrorists". When she was running for President polls showed that even if she did reasonably well instates with few non-native speakers of English, she did extremely badly with people who weren't native speakers of English. She was doing worse in Texas than she was doing in New Hampshire. Contrast Mike Huckabee, who may be even more reactionary... but nobody finds him confusing.
Poor grammar and misuse of words is inconsistent with someone born into an English-speaking world and who has a college degree... and a high level of intelligence. So is lacking a clue that one is in trouble in a social situation. I recognized that she was not up to campaigning for a President when she made her "Real America" speech in Chillicothe, Ohio that disparaged urban America and had no idea that the microphones picking up her speech were from Columbus, one of the heavily-populated versions of Sodom and Gomorrah for being urban. It went well in Chillicothe but badly in Columbus and then went all over America and proved a flop in places like Indianapolis, Denver, Las Vegas, Charlotte, Miami, and Norfolk. She lacked any clue on how media operate in America even if she had been a sportscaster and lacked the curiosity to ask what TV market she was in.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)IQ score would be released to the public without her permission.
maybe your first reaction -- not to believe it -- was the correct one.
palin's academic & career history does not indicate that she is borderline retarded; rather the opposite, she's a sharp ambitious woman, however much you dislike her politics or tactics (some of which i expect include role-playing the good christian female).
palin was in honor society in high school, according to snopes.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)was not.
The sexist stuff is very old...oh and the fact that women were jealous of her because she was attractive. Hogwash. Her college record was abysmal. No matter, putting this person forth as a Presidential prospect, via a slip on the banana peel, wasn't funny from any gender perspective.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)NoodleyAppendage
(4,625 posts)While I don't doubt that IQs may be a bit lower, but a full 20 point difference in full scale IQ is not likely. This news blurb is doubly suspicious because there is no link to the methodology or statistics used to obtain the reported results.
Unless these data were vetted through the peer-review process, then its worth about as much scientifically as spitting in the wind to measure atmospheric velocity.
J
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)but it is curious that the Intelligence Institute's clients are mostly corporations, if I have the right web-site, and it's hard to tell what they're selling exactly as one wades through the doublespeak.
sakabatou
(45,430 posts)Make7
(8,547 posts)Does anyone really think a study purporting to measure IQ would do this:
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left: 1em; border: 1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius: 0.4615em; box-shadow: 3px 3px 3px #999999;"]One test involved showing subjects a series of images and measuring their vitals, namely pulse rate and blood pressure. The self-identified conservatives' vitals increased over 35% when shown complex or shocking images. The image that caused the most stress was a poorly edited picture of President Obama standing next to a "ghostly" image of a child holding a tarantula.
How can anyone take that seriously?
reACTIONary
(6,756 posts)While I don't follow this topic explicitly, I have noticed a number of studies that have correlated conservative political attitudes to underlying cognitive and emotional styles. Conservatives are more inclined towards emotional reactions of disgust, fear and confusion. They (supposedly) react more strongly to strange, bad smells.
The pictures described seem to be an extension or elaboration testing this hypothesis.
Make7
(8,547 posts)If a subject's vitals increase when shown a poorly edited picture of President Obama standing next to a ghostly image of a child holding a tarantula, does that mean they are afraid of black people? Spiders? Politicians? Ghosts? Perhaps they lost a child that looks similar to the one in the picture? Or maybe they just hate kids? Perhaps they love Obama?
And how does the measure of that reaction (whatever the underlying cause) translate objectively into the measure of their IQ?
[div style="display:table;"][div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]35% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 72[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]30% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 76[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]25% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 80[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]20% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 84[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]15% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 88[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]10% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 92[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]5% increase in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 96[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]no change in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 100[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]5% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 104[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]10% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 108[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]15% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 112[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]20% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 116[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]25% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 120[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]30% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 124[div style="display:table-row;"][div style="display:table-cell; text-align:right;"]35% decrease in vitals [div style=display:"table-cell;"] = IQ of 128
reACTIONary
(6,756 posts)...but it didn't strike me as anything other than serious research. It isn't a satirical, nonsensical line of query.
I don't think that the exact content of the picture was the point (Obama, black people, ghosts, spiders, etc.). I think the point of the picture was to display an emotionally unsettling, complex and confusing juxtaposition of images to understand the subject's tolerance for exposure to such elements. Not their exact opinion about spiders or Obama.
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)
...and the ability to draw breath. And those test subjects that had that ability were demonstrably far superior
in their responses to the test than those that did not.
Isn't that a standard element of any I.Q. testing methodology? (Some of the "Fox Viewers" being tested, it would seem, had previously been scared to death. But apparently, they were still included in the test group.)
But, like WOW ....Cool text box.
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left: 1em; border: 2px solid #6600cc; border-radius: 0.4615em; box-shadow: 6px 6px 6px #999999;"]Just playing around to see if I can copy the formatting. So typing and pasting.....a favorite quote:
The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves. William Hazlitt
Thanks, didn't know it was possible to get that fancy on D.U.!
There's such a high correlation between pulse rate/blood pressure...and the ability to draw breath. And those test subjects that had that ability were demonstrably far superior in their responses to the test than those that did not.
Isn't that a standard element of any I.Q. testing methodology?
Um.....no. Take it from someone who's done quite a lot of IQ testing, as well as neuropsychological testing....oh, and measuring BP, etc isn't typical of typical neuropsych testing either. It is occasionally used one measure in neuropsych & medical studies that measure brain brain functioning (e.g., fMRI, SPECT & PET scans), sometimes using IQ as one measure in the study's protocol, more often using neuropsych measures as the test measures. There have been a tiny number of specialized studies measuring IQ as correlated with BP.....e.g., a nephrology study looking at children with chronic kidney disease & it's correlation with hypertension, one of the measures in the study.
But your assumption is wrong -- those aren't "standing elements of any I.Q. testing methodology."
ETA: I failed to address your basic premise -- no such relationship has been established between BP and IQ. There is a relationship between maternal BP and fetus' IQ, but no relationship has been established in the general population between BP and IQ.
mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)But thanks for clarifying how tests are actually given.
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)Doesn't detract from the fact that it's fun to laugh about.
Duppers
(28,442 posts)I cannot find a link to a valid study on this either.
Yet, we know that Fox viewers aren't playing with a full deck.
cstanleytech
(27,997 posts)Duppers
(28,442 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)clinical study. I'm surprised they scored so high.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Of course it is. Or is it? (in my best imitation of Stephen Colbert.
Festivito
(13,805 posts)or any of the other self-described intelligence wannabes.
tpsbmam
(3,927 posts)This is pure BS -- there are no data to vet. murielv. is right -- it was $199 well spent in that it fooled a whole lot of people. Someone is getting hearty laughs out of all of the repostings around the web.
Buns_of_Fire
(18,862 posts)Whovian
(2,866 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(18,862 posts)It's just that it seemed odd to have that specific popup show up. That, and the fact that it came from PRWEB and not directly from the Intelligence Institute ( http://www.intelligence-institute.com/index.html ), which seems geared more to Business Intelligence, rather than can these people tie their own shoelaces without professional help.
Either way, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
muriel_volestrangler
(105,041 posts)It would be impossible to get an average IQ that low for a group as large as 'Fox News viewers'. That website is from 2009; it looks incredibly unprofessional, and might be a scam, part of the spoof, or just something an individual put up to publicise themselves.
pbrower2a
(132 posts)It sounds like market research to determine what people watch what programming and what patterns of behavior one can expect.
It would seem that FoX viewers are gullible and like the communications fed to them very simple. That may leave guidance for [product placement.
Buns_of_Fire
(18,862 posts)(when I worked for a fairly large corporation), it meant scoping out the competition -- by analysis, by hook and/or by crook, by spying on them, by talking to their vendors or former employees, by all of the above, whatever -- to see what they were up to. If they were developing a new product, a new design, or enhancing one of their existing products, it'd be nice for your company to know that as early as possible so you could choose to develop your own competing product, or get (or maintain) a competitive advantage in some other way.
It can also be interpreted as you stated. Either way, it usually fell under Marketing's umbrella.
That said, I didn't really hang around the site long enough to get a full interpretation of what they were about. I just looked around for some reference to the article in question.
Whovian
(2,866 posts)Fox News Viewers Uninformed, NPR Listeners Not, Poll Suggests
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Fox news viewers are the kind of people who bark at vacuum cleaners
muriel_volestrangler
(105,041 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)Turbineguy
(39,527 posts)Of course the point here is that if this report appeared on a wingnut site and said that liberals have IQ's 20 percent below Fox News viewers, it would be accepted as coming straight from the Burning Bush.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(127,891 posts)but these days it's kind of hard to tell.
orwell
(8,003 posts)...than the IQ of the average Faux pundit.
Initech
(106,618 posts)
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)That must give them nightmares.
Rehpotsirhc
(1 post)I posted this on my Facebook, and got a few responses, one of which was, and I quote, "man u r goin 2 hell. its cuz of u stupid liberal that the (n-word) got the office again. i hope ur happy wen the country goes 2 hell". Needless to say, that person is now off of my friends list.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,303 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)we r glad u r hear!
Hun Joro
(666 posts)They are undeniably brilliant in their fields, so this is very puzzling to me. I live in a very red area and I am a moonbat weirdo in my environment.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)that were idiots once they stepped out of their area of expertise. Except for MBAs. Most of them are idiots within their area of expertise.
annabanana
(52,801 posts)and so true.
MAD Dave
(204 posts)Chemists seem to be the worst. (I am one) It is scary how many of them have breathed way too many solvents.....for real!
Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I'm good at everything else except for chemistry
I'm a chemist for the federal government. I like to think of myself as being more of an overpaid technician. Most of my work is very routine and monotonous, but I like it.
OrwellwasRight
(5,287 posts)Nice one!
TrogL
(32,828 posts)My boss got in trouble for playing bullshit bingo
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)
Rob H.
(5,735 posts)In the past year I've worked with three people with MBAs (one of whom got fired a couple of months ago) and a single potted plant probably has more common sense than all three of 'em put together.
DollarBillHines
(1,922 posts)In future millennia, when studies are done of the long gone American culture, the finding will be that we were a relatively progressive society done in by something called an MBA.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)but they were probably fairly bright before they went to college. What raises a red flag is the ones who have to remind you they have an MBA every time they have a conversation with you.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Carpet bomb them with MBAs and HR "professionals." That should bring them to their knees in short order.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)a long time ago he said the US government should pay the way for any Chinese citizen who wants to go to Harvard law or business school, as long as they agree to go back to China after graduating and practice there.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)of the FOX News population. I know some highly educated people who despite their intelligence go to fundamentalist christian churches every Sunday and believe it.
sakabatou
(45,430 posts)about current events?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)sakabatou
(45,430 posts)Make7
(8,547 posts)The Huffington Post article you linked to is describing an entirely different study [font style="font-size:0.8462em;"](even though that is the link found in the press release about the "IQ study" [/font] - here is the release from the college about the poll conducted regarding how informed consumers of different media are:
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/final.pdf
No mention of IQ at all. No mention of anyone named P. Nichols.
There is no link to the study in the OP because it doesn't exist - there is no such study with those conclusions.
sakabatou
(45,430 posts)
Oh well.
Make7
(8,547 posts)I thought my edit made that more clear. (Perhaps not.)
One of the biggest red flags about the "study" in the OP is the fact that the "press release" links to an article about an entirely different study with a different purpose, methodology, and conclusion. That article happens to be the one you linked to at HuffPo.
It's funny that the text for the link to HuffPo in the "press release" in the OP is: More info to this study can be seen here.
Um, no. More info about the "study" cannot be seen at that link. There is no more information anywhere - the "study" in the OP doesn't exist.
sakabatou
(45,430 posts)Make7
(8,547 posts)But if you want to take credit for it, I'm willing to bestow that honor upon you.
sakabatou
(45,430 posts)patricia92243
(12,968 posts)events they are willfully misled and believe what is told to them.
Sad really that intelligent people can be so dumb.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(105,041 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,669 posts)PRWEB - I almost certainly a bogus article folks.
Iggy
(1,418 posts)watching FAUX News did not cause test subjects lower IQ test scores.
these folks had a lower IQ wayyyyy before they began watching FAUX.
Flabbergasted
(7,826 posts)Whovian
(2,866 posts)Chemisse
(31,229 posts)There is a reason why 100 is the average IQ; it's because the majority of people hover near that number. There are not enough 80-IQ people (which is just 10 points from mentally retarded, if I may use an old term) to make up the large numbers of FOX viewers.
This would have been a lot more believable if the difference had been perhaps 5 points.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)that. Out of over 3 hundred million people, that is a tiny %.
Chemisse
(31,229 posts)If you subtract the 20 percent that are children, that would be about 250 million aged 15 and over.
People with an IQ of 80 make up one percent of the population, but to just average to 80, we can include all those between say, 70 and 90 IQ. This is about 22 percent, or a bit over 50 million.
So you are right; the numbers are there - easily.
I still don't believe this though, even though it makes sense that people with a lower IQ would gravitate toward FOX. I just think there are a lot of people with normal intelligence that are just whacked out when it comes to politics.
I think if someone did a good, legitimate study of this, there would be an average IQ difference, but it would be small, like 5 percent.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)thing, a lot of people with a low IQ are wonderful people and would be instinctively turned off all the vitriol on Fox.
And the same is true of people with high IQs in reverse, some are just hateful, nasty people.
Uninformed I believe to be true. How if you use Fox as your main 'news' source could you be informed.
NotThisTime
(3,657 posts)spanone
(140,460 posts)LostInAnomie
(14,428 posts)Seriously, 80 is only 10 points above mild mental retardation. If you believe the other side is THAT dumb, you're only fooling yourself.
Liberal Gramma
(1,471 posts)WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)
Now who's the "pinhead."
LancetChick
(272 posts)Here's a snippet:
Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as very liberal in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as very conservative in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.
muriel_volestrangler
(105,041 posts)That write is infamous:
http://jezebel.com/5786394/the-illustrious-career-of-a-crap-psychologist
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/17/satoshi-kanazawa-black-women-less-attractive_n_863327.html
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2012/09/10/satoshi-kanazawa-is-back/
Notice there's no reference for where his 'data' come from.
Having said that, a variation of a large group of 5 points from the mean is possible; of 20 just isn't.
Shampoobra
(423 posts)"Less intelligent animals rely on instinct when confronted by something which they do not understand. This is an ancient survival reaction all animals, including humans, exhibit. It's a very simple phenomenon, really; think about a dog being afraid of a vacuum cleaner. He doesn't know what a vacuum is or if it may harm him, so he becomes agitated and barks at it."
(Damn, I wish I was sophisticated enough and enlightened enough not to find that ball-ticklingly funny.)
BainsBane
(56,985 posts)For intellectual disability. It has been lowered in recent decades.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)If you don't believe me, do a little research. Try to find P. Nichols & the Intelligence Institute wif da Google.
This was apparently a fraudulent story distributed by PRWeb.
certainot
(9,090 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I sent the article to My Favorite Wingnut, fully knowing it was false.
I did it in retaliation for all the bullshit Fox crap he sends me.
certainot
(9,090 posts)Cha
(315,188 posts)me how otherwise seemingly intelligent people can get sucked in to the point of regurgitating fox "news" points and swearing "it's the truth". Not knowing their Brainwashing is Complete right up to guaranteeing 20 Points Lower to their IQ.
It would totally be deal breaker for me now.
EDIT: Oh dear, I got busted again.. thinking something was true.. not reading about the satire part or going to the link. oh well, it was fun to write anyway.. everything holds true except the "20 Points in IQ" DIP.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)"And sometimes these dollars go to projects that have little or nothing to do with the public good, things like fruit fly research in Paris, France. I kid you not."
- former Gov. Sarah Palin (R-Alaska), 2008
The Last Democrat
(73 posts)of the ladies my wife golfs with said her husband is fully informed .he watches Fox News. Ya, right LOL.
quaker bill
(8,258 posts)Does fox attract those slow on the uptake, or does watching Fox produce this result? One could only figure this out by making high IQ folks watch Fox and retest to see if IQ dropped, or perhaps making Fox viewers watch only PBS and see if scores improve.
Of course such experimentation on humans might well violate the Geneva Conventions....
pbrower2a
(132 posts)Intelligent, learned people would surely hate FoX Propaganda Channel -- if I am any indicator. Even when it isn't political (as on a crime story) it quickly makes me angry. Riling people is not news; it is manipulation. Smart people recognize and loathe crude attempts to manipulate them. People who abhor FoX News shut it out.
Level of intelligence? Sesame Street is less troublesome. But it heavily uses humor, some of it working on different esthetic levels. It has to be tolerable at the level of a parent who might try to use it to influence a child's learning even if its primary focus is children. FoX is deadly serious even if it doesn't merit belief. Heck, North Korean 'news' is offered as deadly-serious material even if it is ludicrous if contrasted to official news from the People's Republic of China on anything outside China. I trust Russian and Chinese news about the US more than I trust FoX news.
Someone who can see what FoX tries to do can avoid damage. Now contrast PBS' News Hour. It competes with the superficial news coverage on the three main networks, but it can go in depth on a subject as ABC, CBS, or NBC Nightly News (or for that matter, CNN Headline News) can't. It can cover three stories in one hour-long program with nearly twenty minutes each without filler. After ads, the 30-minute newscasts reduce to about twenty minutes and five to eight stories and obviously little on each.
But...FoX News is 24/7 and has good resources, right? Of course. But much of it is analysis directed at pushing a political agenda. Are America's hard-working and worthy super-rich in need of even higher profits and executive compensation... or much more, irrespective of the human cost to people who really don't matter? Is Barack Obama simply evil or is he the agent of destruction of America? That is not what I think of as useful analysis. I prefer "what are the economic consequences of proposed changes of tax laws?", "does this offered agreement make sense?", or "What will the Russians do if Assad uses chemical weapons?"
quaker bill
(8,258 posts)I just proposed a controlled experiment to test them. Most testing I have read indicates that Fox viewers know less about the world than people who watch no news at all. Is it that Fox misinforms, or is it that their average viewer has an 80 IQ. (it is really hard to correctly inform anyone so challenged)
(Of course an average of 80 suggests that there are at least some 60s and 70s in the mix.) Having volunteered with the mentally challenged, this result seems less than credible. 80s are fairly dim folks, but when you get down to the 60s and 70s, special testing is required for accuracy as they are well outside of one standard deviation from the norm. Folks at that level must be trained at length just to correctly count back change, if they can grasp the concept at all.
eridani
(51,907 posts)However, the fact that Faux Noise viewers have already been shown to be far less informed than viewers of other channels has already been established.
muriel_volestrangler
(105,041 posts)An outlet calling itself the AptiQuant Psychometric Consulting Company threw up a phony website a month ago, copied staff photos from a French site, and issued a press release [malware-free PDF] to reporters. Major newspapers, web sites and television stations from England to the US ran the story.
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But thats not what the study claimed to show. If anything, most outlets toned it down. Only some, like The Daily Mail, relayed the full implications:

As Cambridge statistician David Spiegelhalter told the BBC, these figures are implausibly low and an insult to IE users. To their credit, someone at The Daily Mail realized this was batty, and they quickly pulled the story from their site.
http://www.wired.com/business/2011/08/internet-explorer-users-have-lower-iqs-study-is-a-hoax-here-are-some-of-the-red-flags/
This is similar, except in this case they haven't even bothered setting up fake websites. Just a claim from an untraceable 'institute', and an untraceable researcher.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)a bridge in the area of Brooklyn and land west of Miami beach both very cheap to all that believe them!
dinger130
(199 posts)






LittlestStar
(224 posts)In fact their Congress of the Intelligent special interest group leans so far left on social issues you would think it was comprised of DUers.
Disconnect
(33 posts)See Stupid, Find Repuglicans!!!!!!!!
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)Just a tip, you don't have to repeat your subject in the message box....in fact, you don't have to put anything in the message box if you don't want to. Just put your comment in the subject line and end it with n/t (no text) or eom (end of message). That tells everyone that there is nothing more to see.
pnicholstii
(4 posts)I'm glad that everyone is reading our study. I want to say that it is real and all data we reported was collected accurately.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pnicholstii
(4 posts)The group that funded our research did not want to be associated with the findings. Because they are a Republican PAC, they want to maintain their anonymity. They represent moderate Republicans and the interest of the party. They understand they cannot negotiate with the Fox News demo and they will never win another general election until they remove this ugliness from their base. They do not want the Republican party to continue to represent hate, ignorance, homophobia, and xenophobia.
The results of the study were collected and reported using a standard practices. The Intelligence Institute is a pseudonym created to take the "heat" from the right.
PRWeb has flagged the release because they need more proof. Our representatives have spoken with PRWeb's Executive team and are going to present the information proving this study's findings were in fact collected and reported properly. PRWeb recently had a problem with a fraudulent release about a Google acquisition and are being careful not to publish "fake" news.
We have created an impromptu tumblr account to keep the media and public up to date concerning this study.
@pnicholstii
theintelligenceinstitute.tumblr.com
Sincerely,
P. Nichols
Twitter @pnicholstii theintelligenceinstitute.tumblr.com
Judi Lynn
(163,982 posts)mojowork_n
(2,354 posts)First of all, the average IQ in the U.S. is a little below 100:
98
http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm
But for the average of that viewing population to be 80.... how many had to come from the very lowest end of the range?
I'd be very interested to see how you selected your test subjects.
bluesbassman
(20,338 posts)I don't think I could've lasted that long in a room full of Fox News watchers.
And welcome to DU, glad you're here!
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Where is the Intelligence Institute?
If it's real there must be a real website, not just a virtually empty tumblr account.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)
TexasBushwhacker
(21,033 posts)like the SB or the WAIS?
Historic NY
(39,379 posts)Binet Scale
7079 is Borderline Deficiency Mild disability (modern term)
8089 is Dull Dull Normal (modern term)
proReality
(1,628 posts)Yep, that fits all the republicans I know.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Nothing to see here. Old news.
Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)

tavalon
(27,985 posts)I always wondered if low intelligence people gravitated to Bullshit Mountain or if Bullshit Mountain rained so much stupid on their heads, that they got dumb.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)proReality
(1,628 posts)Mercyhurst University
When businesses, institutions, nonprofit organizations, or governmental agencies need to reduce uncertainty, one place they can turn to is the Institute for Intelligence Studies at Mercyhurst. Many already have.
The Institute for Intelligence Studies at Mercyhurst University has a research and analysis arm, the Center for Intelligence Research Analysis and Training (CIRAT). This center has provided research and analysis products to clients since 1995. Over the years, it has done research and analysis for agencies such as Department of Defense, the European Union Parliament, Central Intelligence Agency, Procter & Gamble, Coca Cola, Erie Regional Chamber of Commerce, Eriez Magnetics, and many more.
More: http://www.iismu.org/research-analysis
pnicholstii
(4 posts)The group that funded our research did not want to be associated with the findings. Because they are a Republican PAC, they want to maintain their anonymity. They represent moderate Republicans and the interest of the party. They understand they cannot negotiate with the Fox News demo and they will never win another general election until they remove this ugliness from their base. They do not want the Republican party to continue to represent hate, ignorance, homophobia, and xenophobia.
The results of the study were collected and reported using a standard practices. The Intelligence Institute is a pseudonym created to take the "heat" from the right.
PRWeb has flagged the release because they need more proof. Our representatives have spoken with PRWeb's Executive team and are going to present the information proving this study's findings were in fact collected and reported properly. PRWeb recently had a problem with a fraudulent release about a Google acquisition and are being careful not to publish "fake" news.
We have created an impromptu tumblr account to keep the media and public up to date concerning this study.
@pnicholstii
theintelligenceinstitute.tumblr.com
Sincerely,
P. Nichols
muriel_volestrangler
(105,041 posts)which is, on its own, all the proof we need to see that you know nothing about this area at all, and couldn't administer IQ tests. Hell, it shows you didn't bother to check Wikipedia for some basic information before you started. Whether or not you're the person who put this on PRWEB, or just a random hoaxer (could be another DUer, could be a new visitor), we can't tell, yet. But the HuffPo article just talks about Fox News viewers being badly informed, which is not the same as unintelligent - intelligence tests are not general knowledge quizzes.
Your claim that you invented a bogus "Intelligence Institute" is unbelievable. If you were a real researcher, that on its own would have meant they can just say "see? He makes things up". Creating a Tumblr account using the name means nothing (though it does make you look pretty amateur).
If you think this helps the left, then you're wrong. It just associates some lies with being anti-Fox. At worst, this will be used to say "look at the lying left wingers - they make stuff up to say we're stupid. They can't be trusted. They hate normal people." Of course, it's quite possible that you want that to happen, because you want this hoax to make liberals look bad, whether or not you originated it.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)Tab
(11,093 posts)It's a little too over the top. 7 points maybe, 80 I don't think so. Also "Less intelligent animals rely on instinct when confronted by something they don't undersand". It goes on to make an analogy of a dog and a vacuum cleaner. I'm no defender of Faux News viewers, but this just rings of troll-baiting.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Maybe conservatives are trying to prove that previous, serious reports of Fox viewers' poorly informed worldview are also nonsense.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)By the way, the "conservative non-profit group"'s shows it's for real by having such recent articles as the following.
Recent Posts
Study: Fox News viewers have an IQ thats 20 points lower than the U.S. National average
Morning coffee
What we learned from Boehner this morning: the GOP will take everyone hostage for The Wealthy
House Speaker John Boehner will hold a news conference at 11 a.m. ET.
This is where most of us part ways with the Republican Party
Morning coffee: TGIF
To all the seniors who voted Republican to protect Medicare: YOUVE BEEN HAD!
Midmorning break: warm bath
Virginia Foxx as a metaphor for the GOPs attitude towards diversity
Chicago
Darden Restaurants takes a stock hit, announces it wont reduce workers hours
Its official: Republicans hate the UN more than they like helping people in wheelchairs.
Takket
(23,299 posts)Muslim Obama master plan to destroy American is discovered! He's going to kill all out chldren with tarantulas! FOX NEWS ALERT! WHOOP WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Taverner
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Sunlei
(22,651 posts)"The self-identified conservatives' vitals increased over 35% when shown complex or shocking images. The image that caused the most stress was a poorly edited picture of President Obama standing next to a "ghostly" image of a child holding a tarantula."
aandegoons
(473 posts)If we each take a little time and post this at the work place and forward it to someone else we will slowly win America back.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Pakid
(478 posts)I could have told them that without a study
Enrique
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mountain grammy
(28,348 posts)don't know the source of that quote, but it's an oldie and a goodie.
tblue37
(67,400 posts)mwb970
(11,993 posts)The clips that I see from it on The Daily Show and elsewhere insult my intelligence. Now we find out why their viewers don't worry about that.
This dovetails with those earlier studies showing that Fox "News" viewers believe all sorts of outlandish falsehoods, much more than the consumers of any other news source.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)All newspapers, I have been told, are written at an 8th grade level so that is a none starter.
What about MSNBC and CNN are they made at a junior high level too
Is yahoo is a reliable source? We do know that fox misinforms and misrepresents things. Real statistics show fox viewers are less knowledgeable than DU readers that is easily proved but IQs I have my doubts. Most viewers are not aware that fox is selling crap.
The ability of otherwise intelligent, educated people to suspend their critical thinking skills when it comes to their belief system is a source of never ending amazement to me. I've walked into Doctors, Vets, etc. offices where proselytizing, religious music payed loudly and proudly in the waiting room. I sure would go there myself but that's friggin' scary.
That combined with confirmation bias and the tendency for primates to distrust or even hate groups outside their own troupe, (along with other factors), seem as good an explanation as any as to why some of our countrymen act the way they do.
Against their own interests even
Berlum
(7,044 posts)...and so dramatically lower their IQ.
If they ever wake up realize how the Republicans, Inc. have suckered them, there will be Holy Hell to pay...
ElboRuum
(4,717 posts)Funny, most of us who have ever had any sort of political "conversation" with a Fox News viewer could have told them that.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)I'm impressed.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Something we already knew.No study needed.
Haywood Brothers
(19 posts)There is no such Inteiigence Institute. It's a fake press release and somebody at Yahoo News got fooled.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Huh? Oh genius.
libodem
(19,288 posts)Stupid people. I swear we will have a crisis of Nation Psychosis, if this is allowed to continue.
Billo, is their intellectual icon, cuz he is so, middle of the road, fair and balanced.
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)but this particular one is fake
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Tunkamerica
(4,444 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)There's no way that such a large group of people can have that low of an IQ. Intelligence is far more complicated than who is gullible enough to believe what FOX News says. That would put them at around the bottom 10% of the population.
Make7
(8,547 posts)The "study" is obviously not real, therefore the comment seems entirely accurate.
I wonder if the jurors left comments to let us know what the reasoning was for the hide...
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Just go to web site of "The Intelligence Institute" and you'll see they have nothing to do with conducting such studies.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)your IQ drops 20 points!
andym
(6,041 posts)that show that Fox news viewers were seriously uninformed (Farleigh Dickinson University study) which Fox news tried to dispute http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/05/24/fairleigh-dickinson-foxs-response-to-our-survey/186686
Or the work of Satoshi Kanazawa that propose and use data to support the idea that conservatives are less intelligent than liberals:
http://csr.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=150:is-atheism-linked-to-intelligence&catid=25:research-news&Itemid=59
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)C 2012, DirkGently
pnicholstii
(4 posts)I am quoted using the metaphor in our press release. We'll share the credit with you because our cause is to help the U.S. and it's people.
The results of our study are real and we are presenting them to the necessary news wires tomorrow.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)You should give DU the inside scoop on what you're really up to, P.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-giltz/exclusive-pr-guru-behind_b_2268959.html
'Cause it ain't scientific study, is it?
PossumSqueezins
(184 posts)Sorry, but this doesn't pass the smell test on so many levels.
If you are from a Conservative group, you would only want news agencies to print this so you can then discredit them for reporting garbage.
Conservatives don't believe in real "research" and only use it to make money and they would certainly NEVER pay for it and then allow it to be used to cast them in a bad light. THEY ONLY SUPPORT RESEARCH THAT PROVIDES THE DESIRED RESULTS. That would be in the contract.
And we all know that Conservatards could never have an "Intelligence Institute"!!!! LMAO!
I do have to say that it is a pretty hilarious story and is anecdotally, though not scientifically at this point, supported by everyone's experences with Conservatives.
Include this in your cover letter for a job at The Onion!
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(7,776 posts)would most likely return similar (or lower), results.
tblue37
(67,400 posts)Someone at Yahoo News got punked with a fake story.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)mentally retarded. i know plenty of fox viewers, and none are near-retarded. most are actually quite intelligent.
if the 'average' for fox viewers is borderline retarded, that means somewhere around 50% *are* retarded. did they do their research in a group home or something?
political differences aren't about 'intelligence,' however defined. i call 'research' like this propaganda.
Tunkamerica
(4,444 posts)i swear yahoo is purposefully inflammatory sometimes. they know their demo and keep them clicking the links. their "polls" are almost exclusively ridiculous.