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TomDaisy

(2,120 posts)
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 08:05 PM Jun 2024

Joy Reid: AIPAC's goals is to use GOP money to turn the Democratic Party into GOP-lite

Joy Reid, paraphrased - AIPAC is using money from GOP billionaire donors to remove women and people of color from Congress, and in districts where a Republican can't win - make sure the Democrat who wins will be quiet, compliant to corporate interests, and support Israel above all else.

One big scalp AIPAC already claimed --- January 6 hero Capital Police Officer Harry Dunn. Black and not compliant to AIPAC's demands.

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Joy Reid: AIPAC's goals is to use GOP money to turn the Democratic Party into GOP-lite (Original Post) TomDaisy Jun 2024 OP
Yeah..Joy Reid is suddenly a big expert PCIntern Jun 2024 #1
She's not wrong. AIPAC is using GOP money to defeat women and black Democrats. TomDaisy Jun 2024 #2
I'm pretty sure that AIPAC is spending money to defeat people with policy positions inconsistent with their goals... CincyDem Jun 2024 #4
Especially when the example given in the OP has them supporting a woman NT AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2024 #9
Yes. It's a conspiracy theory about evil enemies out to get them. The usual. betsuni Jun 2024 #10
No, I am pretty sure that AIPAC campaign spending makes no reference to DemocraticPatriot Jun 2024 #87
NO, it is NOT a "fact" and she is WRONG. Cha Jun 2024 #5
I'm sorry you're in denial, but you know what facts don't care about... TomDaisy Jun 2024 #12
lol... You're WRONG,, Tom Daisy... Cha Jun 2024 #18
I'm right TomDaisy Jun 2024 #49
No, you're Still Wrong, Tom Daisy. Cha Jun 2024 #70
misleading as usual NoRethugFriends Jun 2024 #6
they just all "happen" be be black or women TomDaisy Jun 2024 #13
That is correct. NoRethugFriends Jun 2024 #14
What views? obamanut2012 Jun 2024 #35
That's an odd assumption... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #48
Who AIPAC supports. CincyDem Jun 2024 #17
who AIPAC supports: In 2022 - 109 Rethug traitors who refused to certify Biden, almost of whom still push the Big Lie Celerity Jun 2024 #45
I was not going to post in this thread, but I noted that your facts re: AIPAC's support are garnering zero attention... hlthe2b Jun 2024 #88
It did get a few recs (12). I post things in hope that some people may read my posts. I do not expect a lot of Celerity Jun 2024 #89
I am basically referring to AIPAC's history in US politics and DU's seeming amnesia over 23 years... hlthe2b Jun 2024 #90
Easy enough to check FBaggins Jun 2024 #26
Ya, anti-war crimes. aeromanKC Jun 2024 #27
In the Harry Dunn case Dorian Gray Jun 2024 #32
and WHITE woman, who deserved the seat MORE THAN HARRY DUNN???? TomDaisy Jun 2024 #50
I assume you have been deeply critical of Bowman for voting to deny funds to the heroes of J6, the Capitol Police? tritsofme Jun 2024 #53
I don't know what either of their qualifications were, Tom. Dorian Gray Jun 2024 #69
Harry Dunn is a great guy bottomofthehill Jun 2024 #79
Hold on there a Minute, Tom. sheshe2 Jun 2024 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author Marcus IM Jun 2024 #51
So you are a fan of the Justice Democrats? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #58
Are you claiming that Hillary Clinton is a republican? LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #59
So a mainstream Democrat is "GOP light"? brooklynite Jun 2024 #3
Although the OP doesn't discuss "mainstrean" Democrats... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #54
Joy Reid is speaking out now with respect to Bowman vs Latimer..." brooklynite Jun 2024 #61
You're asking me to 'proof a negative'? Think. Again. Jun 2024 #66
Joy Reid seems to be able to. brooklynite Jun 2024 #67
Laughable FBaggins Jun 2024 #7
Poster knows that. NoRethugFriends Jun 2024 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author AZSkiffyGeek Jun 2024 #8
Nailed it malaise Jun 2024 #11
so now aipac is untouchable too?????? dembotoz Jun 2024 #16
Fuck AIPAC. Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #19
+1 TomDaisy Jun 2024 #20
Well, BERNIE certainly thought so. B.See Jun 2024 #22
I don't think the message resonated in the Bronx. lapucelle Jun 2024 #39
Correct. It did not. Oopsie Daisy Jun 2024 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2024 #57
Well said. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #30
Are you sure? lapucelle Jun 2024 #37
Such BS. I don't see anyone caring about the rich AF Arab billionaires Nixie Jun 2024 #21
An interesting article I read only moments ago re this B.See Jun 2024 #23
"These pro-Palestinian activists don't have public support, so the votes just won't be there betsuni Jun 2024 #24
I think that the radical groups associated with the left Dorian Gray Jun 2024 #33
That too. B.See Jun 2024 #73
+1 betsuni Jun 2024 #74
She is correct. nt Celerity Jun 2024 #25
When you take religion too seriously, it can become multigraincracker Jun 2024 #28
Judging from some of the responses here on DEMOCRATIC Underground... Think. Again. Jun 2024 #29
What's working? Surely you don't believe that folks here are "GOP-light". lapucelle Jun 2024 #40
Exactly. Think. Again. Jun 2024 #43
Thank you for confirming that Joy Reid's bizarre talking points are divisive, counterfactual, lapucelle Jun 2024 #46
So true. Sky Jewels Jun 2024 #47
Do.you have JustAnotherGen Jun 2024 #31
Here is an Insta post of hers from last month Celerity Jun 2024 #34
What is Joy talking about? To begin with, the 314 Action Fund isn't a pro Israel pac. lapucelle Jun 2024 #36
Thanks for the much-needed clarity again. The disinformation mongers Nixie Jun 2024 #41
Unfortunately, Joy's Instagram post does not provide links to the decontextualized quotes. lapucelle Jun 2024 #38
Ahhh JustAnotherGen Jun 2024 #42
Who is Joy Reid? nt LexVegas Jun 2024 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2024 #52
What does it say to you that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Hakeem Jeffries are some of the biggest recipients of tritsofme Jun 2024 #55
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2024 #62
What it says is that Pres Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Cha Jun 2024 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2024 #68
AIPAC wants Israel to have northern light Jun 2024 #56
It is sad to see Bowman and the Justice Democrats attack Hillary Clinton LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2024 #60
Why not? Corporate money is believed by many old unionists Model35mech Jun 2024 #63
We might be OK with that. SarahD Jun 2024 #64
Aipac's goal is to support Likkud policy on all Israel issues karynnj Jun 2024 #65
bullshit. If Bowman loses, it is because of Bowman's controversial rhetoric and voting record unrelated JohnSJ Jun 2024 #71
AIPAC blah blah blah. Elessar Zappa Jun 2024 #75
the tool Republicans use to destroy our party. Blah blah blah. TomDaisy Jun 2024 #76
The Democratic Party is getting stronger Dorian Gray Jun 2024 #80
well, we definitely want more Democrats who support big corporations TomDaisy Jun 2024 #82
Is that your assessment of big AIPAC recipients like President Biden and Leader Jeffries? tritsofme Jun 2024 #83
I'm kind of surprised that people dont find it obscene that a one issue lobbying group is Nanjeanne Jun 2024 #77
She didn't say that, Tom. Mosby Jun 2024 #78
I've been waiting for someone who heard her Cha Jun 2024 #81
The only notable thing said in the show Mosby Jun 2024 #96
I've been trying to find it, still haven't. betsuni Jun 2024 #84
Complete and total antisemitic horseshit Mountainguy Jun 2024 #86
+1 betsuni Jun 2024 #91
Yes, thank you! Oopsie Daisy Jun 2024 #92
When the first reaction is to blame Jewish money Happy Hoosier Jun 2024 #94
Ding ding malaise Jun 2024 #95
K&R Sarkinen Jun 2024 #97
 

TomDaisy

(2,120 posts)
2. She's not wrong. AIPAC is using GOP money to defeat women and black Democrats.
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 08:08 PM
Jun 2024

That's just a fact.

CincyDem

(7,272 posts)
4. I'm pretty sure that AIPAC is spending money to defeat people with policy positions inconsistent with their goals...
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 08:13 PM
Jun 2024

…that those people end up being disproportionately women and black democrats is just coincidence. Spending their money from any source in a manner consistent with their policy positions is the definition of lobbying, isn’t it ?

It is hard to imagine, although some might, that AIPAC has a bullet point in their spending principles that says “defeat women” or “defeat black democrats”.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
87. No, I am pretty sure that AIPAC campaign spending makes no reference to
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 10:21 PM
Jun 2024

whether a candidate is black or white or yellow or male or female---

They only want to ensure the election of a candidate
who will be a rubber-stamp to the demands of the state of Israel.

THAT is most probably their top "bullet point".

NoRethugFriends

(3,539 posts)
6. misleading as usual
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 08:16 PM
Jun 2024

not going after them because they are black or women, going after them because of their positions on Israel.

NoRethugFriends

(3,539 posts)
14. That is correct.
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 09:07 PM
Jun 2024

Maybe because blacks and women are more likely to have certain views on Israel, yathink?

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
48. That's an odd assumption...
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 12:42 PM
Jun 2024

...could you explain why you think being female and/or Black would foretell specific views on Israel?

CincyDem

(7,272 posts)
17. Who AIPAC supports.
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 09:12 PM
Jun 2024

Dem & republican
Women on both sides of the aisle.
Blacks on both sides.
Black women.

I think it’s fair to say they don’t support “every” woman and “every” black candidate but these 325 candidates appear to negate any implication they’re not support “some” female and black candidates simply because of their gender or race.

https://candidates.aipacpac.org/page/featured/

Celerity

(52,714 posts)
45. who AIPAC supports: In 2022 - 109 Rethug traitors who refused to certify Biden, almost of whom still push the Big Lie
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 10:51 AM
Jun 2024
https://jstreet.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/AIPAC-Endorsee-List-042022.pdf

Including the christofash Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, Gym Jordan, ultra MAGAt Elise Stefanik, Kevin McCarthy, the crazed gunhumper Greg Steube, Ronny 'Trump's drunk Dr Feelgood' Johnson Jackson, Joe 'you lie!' Wilson, John 'I am a racist, election and climate change denying MAGAt, but look!, the (now federally indicted) Dem Henry Cuellar campaigned and fundraised for me against a legit Dem challenger, so it's all good' Carter, and the odious Troy 'Won't Stop Wearing Combat Infantryman Badge that Was Revoked' Nehls, Matt Rosendale, Clay 'the F.B.I. Entrapped Jan. 6 Rioters' Higgins, Steve Scalise, etc etc).

Why pro-Israel lobby group Aipac is backing election deniers and extremist Republicans

Among those candidates endorsed by Aipac is the New York congresswoman Elise Stefanik, a Trump loyalist whose home town newspaper criticised her for “despicable” advertising and “hateful rhetoric” that promoted the racist and antisemitic “great replacement theory”, claiming the US is being flooded with immigrants to outvote white people. The Times Union accused Stefanik of “fear-based political tactics”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/18/pro-israel-lobby-group-aipac-midterms-election-deniers-and-extremist-republicans



The US’s largest pro-Israel lobby group is backing dozens of racists, homophobes and election deniers running for Congress next month because they have pledged to defend Israel against stiffening criticism of its oppression of the Palestinians. The powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) has justified endorsing Republicans with extremist views, including members of Congress with ties to white supremacist groups and representatives who attempted to block Joe Biden’s election victory, on the grounds that the singular issue of support for Israel trumps other considerations.

But Aipac’s support for rightwing politicians has privately embarrassed some Democrats also endorsed by the powerful group and drawn accusations from more moderate pro-Israel organisations that it is attempting to stifle legitimate criticism of hardline Israeli policies. Logan Bayroff, a spokesman for J Street, a group campaigning for Washington to take a stronger stand to end the occupation of Palestinian territories, accused Aipac of attempting to impose a narrow definition of what it is to be pro-Israel amid shifting views in Democratic ranks.

“Their actions have made clear that they view pro-Israel, pro-peace progressive Democrats as threats – and Trumpist Republicans as allies. That worldview could not be more out of touch with the vast majority of American Jews,” he said. “Aipac may hope to silence and intimidate political leaders who believe that settlement expansion, endless conflict and permanent occupation are harmful to Israel, the Palestinian people and US interests. Ultimately, however, these common-sense views are too popular, widespread and important to be suppressed, and will continue to gain strength within American politics and among the American Jewish community.”

Aipac’s backing of extreme rightwing Republicans follows its $27m advertising campaign during the Democratic primaries to defeat candidates who spoke up for Palestinian rights, mostly with attacks over issues that had nothing to do with Israel. The campaign is part of push by more hawkish pro-Israel groups to shore up support in Congress in the face of rising advocacy for the Palestinian cause within the Democratic party and erosion of approval for Israeli actions among American Jews, particularly younger people.

snip


hlthe2b

(111,822 posts)
88. I was not going to post in this thread, but I noted that your facts re: AIPAC's support are garnering zero attention...
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 10:21 PM
Jun 2024

Hmmm. 'Almost as though some don't want to acknowledge that...

Celerity

(52,714 posts)
89. It did get a few recs (12). I post things in hope that some people may read my posts. I do not expect a lot of
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 11:09 PM
Jun 2024

engagement in re my replies, and if I do get it, it will probably be negative in the majority of cases.

Also, I am sure a lot of people have me blocked, based off dozens telling me they were doing so over the years, and I wager at least 3 or 4 times that just blocked me with no notice.

I am deffo not everyone's cuppa and that is ok.

hlthe2b

(111,822 posts)
90. I am basically referring to AIPAC's history in US politics and DU's seeming amnesia over 23 years...
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 05:22 AM
Jun 2024

Historically, they have not been a "friend" to Democrats, relative to R's, no matter how supportive the particular Dem might be to Israel. I am sure some will pick and choose a race or two over time to try to prove me wrong, but there is a reason why there has been, at best, a tenuous relationship with that lobbying group over their domestic politics.


(And no, my comments are not directed to any specific Congressional race or candidate--just AIPAC's history in our domestic politics in general).

FBaggins

(28,512 posts)
26. Easy enough to check
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 04:37 AM
Jun 2024

Point to the white male virulent antisemites AIPAC fails to oppose.

Dorian Gray

(13,839 posts)
32. In the Harry Dunn case
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 06:15 AM
Jun 2024

they supported a WOMAN. So, if their goal is to defeat women AND black democrats, then.... not very effective.

 

TomDaisy

(2,120 posts)
50. and WHITE woman, who deserved the seat MORE THAN HARRY DUNN????
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 12:57 PM
Jun 2024

Who was nearly killed by the mob on January 6? He's a certified American hero.

tritsofme

(19,617 posts)
53. I assume you have been deeply critical of Bowman for voting to deny funds to the heroes of J6, the Capitol Police?
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:13 PM
Jun 2024

Dorian Gray

(13,839 posts)
69. I don't know what either of their qualifications were, Tom.
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 04:37 PM
Jun 2024

Maybe. Maybe not. But I was just responding to the claim that AIPAC had it against women. Doesn't seem to be the case here. If the claim was that there was a stratified rubrik for whom they would help, I wouldn't have said anything.

bottomofthehill

(9,281 posts)
79. Harry Dunn is a great guy
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 06:05 PM
Jun 2024

His problem in that race was, he had no base. He did not live in the district, he had no great ties to the district, the field was LARGE, he had a lot of outside backing but less so from the people in the district. I wish Harry won, but lets not make this somthing that it was not.

sheshe2

(94,487 posts)
85. Hold on there a Minute, Tom.
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 09:33 PM
Jun 2024

Your concern:

50. and WHITE woman, who deserved the seat MORE THAN HARRY DUNN????
Who was nearly killed by the mob on January 6? He's a certified American hero.



I agree he and other members of the Capital Police were hero’s that day…however:

House narrowly approves $1.9B Capitol security bill after ‘squad’ drama

This is how some men and women voted for the funding of the capital police. All men and women of color. They protested AIPAC but voted against funding.

The House on Thursday passed a $1.9 billion spending bill to upgrade Capitol security in the wake of the Jan. 6 mob attack in a tight 213-212 vote, with the bill nearly going down because of opposition from liberal Democrats known as the “squad.”
The legislation was approved with three Democrats — Reps. Cori Bush (Mo.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.) and Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) — voting “no” and another three — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Jamaal Bowman (N.Y.) — voting “present.” Two Republicans were absent from the vote, while all Republicans present voted “no.”


https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/554556-house-approves-19b-for-capitol-security-over-gop-opposition/

Response to TomDaisy (Reply #2)

LetMyPeopleVote

(171,853 posts)
58. So you are a fan of the Justice Democrats?
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:35 PM
Jun 2024

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi, Zack Exley, Saikat Chakrabarti, and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats. I am getting a ton of emails from Squad Members and the Justice Democrats on this race. I love the hatred of all Jews and the state of Israel contained in these emails

The Justice Democrat group want to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. Here is the founder of this group




I also do not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.



Again, the above posts are consistent with the hatred of the Democratic Party that I see on the almost daily emails that I get from the Justice Democrats. I admit that I enjoy the Just Us Democrat whines about AIPAC and Jews being mean.

Bowman is a weak candidate with no real accomplishments and I agree with Hillary Clinton's endorsement. Here is Bowman's voting record





LetMyPeopleVote

(171,853 posts)
59. Are you claiming that Hillary Clinton is a republican?
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:38 PM
Jun 2024

I trust Hillary Clinton's endorsement of George Latimer



 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
3. So a mainstream Democrat is "GOP light"?
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 08:09 PM
Jun 2024

When the apparent "real" Democrats show they can actually win a seat from a "real" Republican, I'll be impressed.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
54. Although the OP doesn't discuss "mainstrean" Democrats...
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:14 PM
Jun 2024

...I would like to point out that your false implication of mainstream Democrats being centrist Democrats is very wrong.

Mainstream Democrats are by far more to the Left than you would like us to believe.

"Specifically, in 2004, 39 percent of Democrats described their views on social issues as "liberal/very liberal"; in 2024, 69 percent of Democrats describe themselves that way."

From https://reason.com/2024/06/21/democrats-political-views-are-shifting-faster-than-republicans/
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
61. Joy Reid is speaking out now with respect to Bowman vs Latimer..."
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:49 PM
Jun 2024

Provide evidence that George Latimer isn’t a mainstream Democrat.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
67. Joy Reid seems to be able to.
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 02:48 PM
Jun 2024

Wonder if she'll criticize Hakeem Jeffries, whom AIPAC also supports.
Yvette Clarke?
Adriano Espaillat?
Kirsten Gillibrand?
Dan Goldman?
Brian Higgins?
Gregory Meeks?
Grace Meng?
Joe Morello?
Pat Ryan?
Tom Suozzi?
Ritchie Torres?

FBaggins

(28,512 posts)
7. Laughable
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 08:18 PM
Jun 2024

The candidate they’re supporting in this case is well within the mainstream of the party - vs a candidate on the far left fringe of it.

Response to TomDaisy (Original post)

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
19. Fuck AIPAC.
Mon Jun 24, 2024, 09:23 PM
Jun 2024

It’s a shitty rightwing organization with a Netanyahu-friendly extremist agenda.

B.See

(7,130 posts)
22. Well, BERNIE certainly thought so.
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:59 AM
Jun 2024
AIPAC - Wikipedia

In 2020, Senator Bernie Sanders said AIPAC provides a platform for bigotry and said he will not attend their conference. In 2023 (February 19), on CBS Face the Nation, Sanders said that AIPAC, formerly bipartisan, had evolved towards attempting to "destroy" the American progressive movement.

After the formation of its first political action committee (PAC) in early March 2022, AIPAC was criticized for backing the election campaigns of 37 Republican members of Congress who voted against certifying Biden's 2020 U.S. presidential election victory after the 2021 United States Capitol attack.

The endorsement of the politicians was described as "morally bankrupt and short-sighted" by Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, while Abe Foxman, former head of the Anti-Defamation League, called it a "sad mistake", and Dan Kurtzer, a former U.S. ambassador to Israel, urged AIPAC to reconsider the move.

Halie Soifer, of the Jewish Democratic Council of America, said the move suggested "one must compromise support of America’s democracy to support Israel", which, she noted in an opinion piece published in Haaretz, presents "a patently false dichotomy rejected by the overwhelming majority of American Jews."

lapucelle

(20,764 posts)
39. I don't think the message resonated in the Bronx.
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 09:08 AM
Jun 2024

AOC takes the stage after Bernie Sanders's speech at the star-studded GOTV Rally for Jamaal Bowman in the Bronx, Saturday, June 22.

Response to B.See (Reply #22)

lapucelle

(20,764 posts)
37. Are you sure?
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 08:58 AM
Jun 2024
American Israel lobby condemns Netanyahu deal with far-right party

JERUSALEM — Criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his right-wing government has been heard from American Jews for a while now, but a simple 20-word tweet from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the largest American Israel lobby, has sent shock waves through the political establishment here.

snip---------------------------------------------

AIPAC’s tweet simply said it agreed with the AJC and added that it “has a long-standing policy not to meet with members of the racist and reprehensible party.”

snip-------------------------------------------

Former army chief of staff Benny Gantz, Netanyahu’s main rival for prime minister, tweeted that AIPAC’s statement “proves that Benjamin Netanyahu once again crossed ethical lines just to hold onto his seat, badly hurting Israel’s image, Jewish morality and our important relations with the American Jewish community.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/american-jewish-lobby-issues-rare-condemnation-of-netanyahu-deal-with-far-right-israeli-party/2019/02/25/c90d3bd8-38ec-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html

Nixie

(17,878 posts)
21. Such BS. I don't see anyone caring about the rich AF Arab billionaires
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 12:19 AM
Jun 2024

funding Hamas. Such hypocrisy about this whole dirty money issue. Only Jewish money is dirty to these hypocrites, and we know what that means.

B.See

(7,130 posts)
23. An interesting article I read only moments ago re this
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 02:11 AM
Jun 2024
Rep. Jamaal Bowman's base eats itself, and that could cost him his seat - Dailykos

particularly this bit:

the far-left that Bowman has courted is now attacking some of the most progressive members of Congress. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who has tirelessly defended Bowman, and Sen. Bernie Sanders held a weekend rally for Bowman in the Bronx. The pro-Palestinian group Within Our Lifetimes attended, but not to sign up to walk precincts, make phone calls, raise money, or otherwise help get out the vote for him. Rather, they protested the event, attempting to disrupt it because no one can ever be pure enough for them.

“AOC, your hands are red. Over 40,000 dead,” they chanted. Her crime? Seemingly, it’s that she supports Biden, whom many in this movement call “Genocide Joe.” On the issue of Gaza, specifically, few are as supportive of their efforts as AOC, and she’s ardently fighting for Bowman, who has adopted much of the same language as the protestors, even accusing Israel of genocide. And yet somehow, this group decided it is these representatives who need to be protested.

Can people possibly be more absurd?


The whole of which is pretty much QUICKLY leading me to conclude: Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

And if Biden loses the election because of it, I'm not going to give a damn either way.

betsuni

(28,485 posts)
24. "These pro-Palestinian activists don't have public support, so the votes just won't be there
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 03:19 AM
Jun 2024

for them (AIPAC or no AIPAC), and wishing for a revolution to give them what they haven't earned is naive extremism."

Democratic voters aren't yearning for a revolution, don't think Democrats are all corrupt and the same as Republicans, don't want them replaced with the revolution people, lack of support isn't caused by villainous enemies of the people out to get them by rigging and bribing everyone. A fantasy.

Good article, thanks for posting.

Dorian Gray

(13,839 posts)
33. I think that the radical groups associated with the left
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 06:19 AM
Jun 2024

(I'm not going to give them the benefit of being OF the left) are doing a lot more damage to these candidates than AIPAC.

Also, "AIPAC money" is the new "Zionist!" It's a buzzword dog whistle denoting rich Jewish people who should be opposed bc they're "white supremacists."

AIPAC AIPAC AIPAC! It's all their fault!

(Actually, in Bowman's case, maybe he's a shitty candidate for a district where he's alienated over half his potential voters.)

lapucelle

(20,764 posts)
40. What's working? Surely you don't believe that folks here are "GOP-light".
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 09:20 AM
Jun 2024

Joy's talking point is bewildering and divisive. How long before Joy starts yelling "rigged system"?



lapucelle

(20,764 posts)
46. Thank you for confirming that Joy Reid's bizarre talking points are divisive, counterfactual,
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 12:01 PM
Jun 2024

And harmful to the Democratic Party.

JustAnotherGen

(37,291 posts)
31. Do.you have
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 06:14 AM
Jun 2024

A link to the day / time where Joy Reid said this? I'd prefer to hear Ms. Reid's specific words for myself.

Celerity

(52,714 posts)
34. Here is an Insta post of hers from last month
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 06:32 AM
Jun 2024
https://www.instagram.com/joyannreid/p/C7UuwlhPM1a/?img_index=1

AIPAC, a pro-Republican, conservative political PAC, is actively spending in Democratic primaries, targeting progressives for replacement with conservative Democrats. They’ve succeeded in Oregon. And they’re not explicitly running the campaigns on the Israel-Gaza issue. Other targets on the list include @coribush @aoc @repbowman @ayannapressley @summerleeforpa among others.

lapucelle

(20,764 posts)
36. What is Joy talking about? To begin with, the 314 Action Fund isn't a pro Israel pac.
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 08:46 AM
Jun 2024
We are the only organization in the nation focused on recruiting, training, and electing Democrats with a background in science to public office.

https://314action.org/about-us/

In Oregon, the 314 Fund endorsed a Black female engineer (Janelle Bynum) over a white attorney (Jamie McLeod-Skinner).

As for the ridiculous claim that AIPAC is targeting progressive Democrats for replacement with "conservative Democrats", that did not happen in Oregon. Jayapal lost her primary for an open seat, and in the general, Janelle Bynum is running to unseat the incumbent Republican.

No money was spent in either Summer Lee's race or AOC's. As for the Jamaal Bowman race, rape deniers have no place in Congress. His apology was too little, too late.



Nixie

(17,878 posts)
41. Thanks for the much-needed clarity again. The disinformation mongers
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 10:06 AM
Jun 2024

aren't getting away with their false framing about "replacing" incumbents by primarying them, as you pointed out.

AIPAC is also a self-proclaimed single-issue entity about Israel issues. To the extent that the Squad members are anti-Israel, that's what brings them to AIPAC's attention.

It's also quite notable that Arab billionaires get a pass even though they fund terrorists that want to kill Israelis. Only Jewish billionaires are hated. So corrupting money is really not the issue at all for the disinformation mongers.

lapucelle

(20,764 posts)
38. Unfortunately, Joy's Instagram post does not provide links to the decontextualized quotes.
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 09:05 AM
Jun 2024

Imagine calling out the 314 Fund for endorsing a Black female engineer in a Democratic primary for an open seat.

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tritsofme

(19,617 posts)
55. What does it say to you that Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Hakeem Jeffries are some of the biggest recipients of
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:17 PM
Jun 2024

“AIPAC money”?

Just curious.

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Cha

(315,229 posts)
72. What it says is that Pres Biden, Nancy Pelosi,
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 04:54 PM
Jun 2024

and Hakeem Jeffries, are Brilliant Dem Leaders who don't think AIPAC is "evil like some are trying to to make them out to be.

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northern light

(29 posts)
56. AIPAC wants Israel to have
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:24 PM
Jun 2024

the upper hand always. Whether it is with the Palestinians or the US. They want the US to be there to bail Israel out of every dirty deed they do. Then they get to thumb their noses and say to the American people, we got you again. We wouldn't stand for Russia to do what they are doing, but money talks.

LetMyPeopleVote

(171,853 posts)
60. It is sad to see Bowman and the Justice Democrats attack Hillary Clinton
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:46 PM
Jun 2024

I was a Clinton delegate to the 2016 National Convention and I respect Secretary Clinton's endorsement of George Latimer


.
I am not a fan of the Justice Democrat group
 

Model35mech

(2,047 posts)
63. Why not? Corporate money is believed by many old unionists
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 01:58 PM
Jun 2024

to have ended the Dems as the "Labor party"

Rahm who really was the wunder-kinder national fund raiser of the late 80's and 90's said this was "practical" as fund raising must go to where the money is.

 

SarahD

(1,732 posts)
64. We might be OK with that.
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 02:00 PM
Jun 2024

Many Democrats seem fine with Bill Clinton's third way method. He stole Republican issues and positions, then watered them down to make them more humane. In some cases, the results were not bad. This is how we got Obamacare. Welfare reform did not go as well, but we staved off the Republican alternative. My only problem is that we're pushing progressives out of our party, and we need a few bolder Democrats. I don't like the notion that our electoral losses are the fault of the progressives, and they must be eliminated so we can triumph and claim the majority.

karynnj

(60,600 posts)
65. Aipac's goal is to support Likkud policy on all Israel issues
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 02:03 PM
Jun 2024

They are as close to a one issue advocacy group as it comes. I was at a synagogue when sometime around 2006, a group I was in invited both Street and Aipac to speak to us. Aipac refused to have a joint talk.

The spokesperson from AIPAC argued that AIPAC just supported whatever the government wanted and argued that American Jews should support it because we don't live there. Several of us pointed out that we thought it patriotic and right to argue against our own government when we disagreed and it was unthinkable that we would blindly lobby our government in support of Israel, especially when they had a right wing government. The woman after about 5 minutes left in a huff, leaving the sign up sheet behind, calling us ignorant. I followed up, using the sign up sheet, with links to back many things brought up. ( My experience on DU then definitely led to that action!)

The J Street meeting was far better. They respected us and explained why their positions were better.

As to Reid, I suspect she views everything thru a prism of white privilege vs POC persecution. While that is very real and is the root of many problems, this is not what is motivating AIPAC.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
71. bullshit. If Bowman loses, it is because of Bowman's controversial rhetoric and voting record unrelated
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 04:43 PM
Jun 2024

to the Israeli Palestinian issue.

From 9/11 conspiracy theory nonsense, questioning the rapes and killing on the October 7th rapes and killings as "propaganda", voting against the infrastructure bill, raising the debt limit, etc.

It isn't AIIPAC money that will defeat Bowman, it will be Bowman's off the wall actions, but it is good they have a scape goat to blame if he loses.

Now who does that sound like to me?




Dorian Gray

(13,839 posts)
80. The Democratic Party is getting stronger
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 07:10 PM
Jun 2024

now that it is getting rid of the fringe elements who are divisive.

tritsofme

(19,617 posts)
83. Is that your assessment of big AIPAC recipients like President Biden and Leader Jeffries?
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 07:35 PM
Jun 2024

Nanjeanne

(6,432 posts)
77. I'm kind of surprised that people dont find it obscene that a one issue lobbying group is
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 05:58 PM
Jun 2024

spending millions and millions of dollars to affect our elections through such a massive campaign That goes for any lobbying group but particularly one that is a single issue - pro Israeli lobbying group. Do I wish anti gun lobbying groups spent that much money against politicians who favor no restrictions on guns — sure. But I still wouldn’t think allowing this kind of money being used in a media blitz is a good idea. This kind of money is obscene and that it is targeted against elected democrats who do not support this assault on Gaza in the name of defending oneself is particularly disgraceful to this Jew.

I thought it was a bad thing to have this much money in politics. I thought we didn’t like foreign influence in our elections. Guess I was wrong.

Cha

(315,229 posts)
81. I've been waiting for someone who heard her
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 07:19 PM
Jun 2024

to refute the OP. We've seen this kind thing before.

Can you tell us what she did say, Mosby?

TY

Mosby

(19,134 posts)
96. The only notable thing said in the show
Wed Jun 26, 2024, 10:33 AM
Jun 2024

Was that Bowman won't commit to support Latimer if he loses (he did lose), and might still run as a third party candidate.

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/watch-the-reidout-with-joy-reid-highlights-june-25-213694021595

 

Mountainguy

(2,145 posts)
86. Complete and total antisemitic horseshit
Tue Jun 25, 2024, 09:49 PM
Jun 2024

Money donated from PAC isn't a secret, AIPAC donated millions to both blacks and women democrats, and almost all of that money is spent on incumbents.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/recipients?id=D000046963

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