UN Human Rights Council: "Israel is responsible for war crimes/crimes against humanity..."

[TomDaisy]

After @CIJ_ICJ, #ICC also, UN Human Rights Council damning conclusion:
“Israel is responsible for war crimes/crimes against humanity, EXTERMINATION, intentionally attacking civilians, using starvation as a method of war, SEXUAL, and gender-based VIOLENCE.”

Link to tweet

“October 7th did not occur in a vacuum; it was preceded by decades of violence, dispossession, unlawful occupation, and the denial of Palestinian self-determination.”

Link to tweet

And now Netanyahu is conspiring with treasonous Christo-Fascist Mike Johnson to come to the floor of the House and attack President Biden to swing the election for trump. Which the media is going to go wild for and shove in the face of every American voter.

[Mountainguy]

1. Says the organization

Whos buildings and vehicles are part of the Hamas military infrastructure.

The UN has no credibility in this.

[radicalleft]

28. Links to back that up please

That would be cool

[Mountainguy]

31. Do you need a link to know the sky is blue?

But sure.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-photos-hamas-gaza-weapons-un-facilities-including-schools/

[The Magistrate]

33. Some People Do Seem To, Sir

"This pretense of not knowing what any idiot knows has come to dominate our political discourse."

[radicalleft]

35. headline from link - "Israel says"

Yeah...forgive me for taking that with a grain of salt...

[Mountainguy]

36. Those lying Jews?

There is video if you want to go watch it.

[tritsofme]

2. lol, what a useless body. This is a "human rights" council that includes Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Sudan among other

human rights super stars. What a joke.

[uponit7771]

6. What combination of letters would be most credible in condemnation of Bibi? tia

[sarisataka]

3. UNHRC? Did they actually say "Israel"

they have difficulty acknowledging Israel has the right to exist.

The UNHRC has a standing agenda item for every meeting:

Item 7. Human rights situation in Palestine and other occupied Arab territories

-Human rights violations and implications of the Israeli occupation of Palestine and other occupied Arab territories
-Right to self-determination of the Palestinian people

The special rapporteur on the question of Palestine to the previous UNCHR, the current UNHRC and the General Assembly was, between 2001 and 2008, John Dugard. Bayefski quotes him as saying that his mandate is to "investigate human rights violations by Israel, not by Palestinians"

Speaking at the IDC's Herzliya Conference in Israel in January 2008, Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen criticized the actions of the Human Rights Council actions against Israel. "At the United Nations, censuring Israel has become something of a habit, while Hamas's terror is referred to in coded language or not at all. The Netherlands believes the record should be set straight, both in New York and at the Human Rights Council in Geneva", Verhagen said.

At UNHRC's opening session in February 2011, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized the council's "structural bias" against the State of Israel: "The structural bias against Israel – including a standing agenda item for Israel, whereas all other countries are treated under a common item – is wrong. And it undermines the important work we are trying to do together."[

The United States urged UNHRC in Geneva to stop its anti-Israel bias. It took particular exception to the council's Agenda Item 7, under which at every session, Israel's human rights record is debated. No other country has a dedicated agenda item. The US Ambassador to UNHRC Eileen Chamberlain Donahoe said that the United States was deeply troubled by the "Council's biased and disproportionate focus on Israel." She said that the hypocrisy was further exposed in the Golan Heights resolution that was advocated by the Syrian regime at a time when it was murdering its own citizens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council#Accusations_of_bias_against_Israel

I don't think the UNHRC has much credibility regarding the I/P conflict.

[lapucelle]

7. Statement on Antisemitic Remarks by a Commissioner of the UN Human Rights Council's Commission of Inquiry

U.S. MISSION TO INTERNATIONAL
ORGANIZATIONS IN GENEVA

Statement on Antisemitic Remarks by a Commissioner of the UN Human Rights Council’s Commission of Inquiry on the Situation in Israel and the West Bank and Gaza

Ambassador Michèle Taylor, U.S. Permanent Representative to the UN Human Rights Council and
Deborah Lipstadt, U.S. Department of State Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Antisemitism

Antisemitism and anti-Israel bias are a persistent venom that for far too long has poisoned international discourse and polluted international organizations including the United Nations. The United States condemns it unequivocally.

Recently, Miloon Kothari, an appointed Commissioner of the UN Human Rights Council’s Commission of Inquiry related to Israel made comments in a media interview referring disparagingly to the “Jewish lobby,” echoing age-old antisemitic tropes, and questioning the right of the state of Israel to be a member of the United Nations. The United States is in solidarity with the Government of Israel and the Israeli people. We categorically reject antisemitism and anti-Israel bias, including the comments by Mr. Kothari, which are outrageous, inappropriate, and corrosive.

The United States also firmly and consistently opposes the open-ended nature of this Commission of Inquiry, which only reinforces the reputation of UN bodies as vulnerable to the actions of member states intent upon isolating and excoriating the state of Israel. We call upon UN Human Rights High Commissioner Michelle Bachelet to publicly repudiate Mr. Kothari’s statements and take steps to ensure UN human rights monitoring and investigative mechanisms remain fully objective and impartial.

https://geneva.usmission.gov/2022/07/28/statement-on-antisemitic-remarks-by-a-commissioner-of-the-israel-coi/

[BannonsLiver]

4. Their condemnation and $6 will buy a nice coffee at Starbucks.

[uponit7771]

5. When US kids protest en masse they usually side with the arc of history

[Mountainguy]

8. US kids arent protesting in masse

Outside of a bunch of elitists and terror adjacent troublemakers.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

10. You clearly don't know a lot of US kids.

I teach high school. They are markedly not happy with Israel. They also understand that Hamas is shitty. They are more active (and likely smarter) than you think they are.

[brooklynite]

20. And you know this from one school that you teach at?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

22. That's one more school than you teach at.

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Plus, do you think as an educator I don't do a lot of reading of research about what the generation I'm teaching is like? Do you not think I have friends and colleagues at other schools that I talk to? Do you assume that I live in the vacuum of my own classroom and have no contact beyond that?

What do you bring to this discussion? Do you meet a lot of high school kids at your wife's functions?

[brooklynite]

23. Well, actually.....

I’ve been on the Board of Trustees of a secondary school for the last 18 years, and have taught in University for five years…

So I have a reasonable understanding of youth opinions, and more important, actions. A “student walkout” gets media attention that distracts from the reality that only a minuscule handful are doing more than ranting on social media.


Y

[SocialDemocrat61]

24. What University?

And what classes do you teach?

[brooklynite]

27. NYU

Transportation and Land Use.

[SocialDemocrat61]

30. Cool. Which school?

Also, I’d there a lot of discussion of geo-politics and foreign policy in Transportation and Land Use classes?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

26. Cool, what school?

How often do you meet with students? I see 150 each day of the school year plus those that walk by or stop by to chat.

"taught at a university" could mean one class a school year. What do you teach? How many sections?

Maybe central Wisconsin is a hot bed of progressive liberalism (spoilers: it isn't), but I can guarantee you there is a great deal of understanding of the situation in the Middle East and they have a lot of compassion for the Palestinians.

[uponit7771]

18. This is false, not all have to be tied to a college campus tree

[Mountainguy]

19. Nope, some have just been good old fashioned protesting of Jews in public settings too

It's pretty amazing watching people claim someone protesting something based on the race or religion of the people involved as being "on the right side of history" but ok.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

9. Except that US kids are not protesting en masse against the HAMAs/Israeli war,

you have a bunch of elitist kids protesting, not an en masse of college kids.
Fail

[Mountainguy]

14. Exactly

I haven't seen a single protest. Saw plenty during BLM 2020 protests

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. The MSM likes to play up to these elitist kids by proclaiming that this is mainstream and that these

protests are nationwide and massive when the opposite is fact, the percentage of college students protesting are miniscule compared to the number of college students who are not in tune with their bullshit rhetoric.

[Ping Tung]

21. Whatj makes the protestors "elitist"? Education?

[Mountainguy]

25. Go have a look at the wealth profiles of students families

who go to these schools.

[Celerity]

29. Elite schools have large amounts of students from far-from-wealthy families.

Harvard (about as elite a school as you can get in the US) for instance:

https://college.harvard.edu/guides/financial-aid-fact-sheet

In a typical year:

55% of our undergraduates receive need-based Harvard scholarships.

Families with incomes below $85,000 (up from $75,000 starting in the 23-24 school year) are not expected to contribute to the cost of their child's education. Roughly 24% of Harvard families have total incomes less than $85,000.

Families with incomes between $85,000 and $150,000 will contribute from 0-10% of their income, and those with incomes above

$150,000 will be asked to pay proportionately more than 10%, based on their individual circumstances.

Families at all income levels who have significant assets are asked to pay more than those without assets.

Two-thirds of students work during the academic year.

19% of the roughly 6,700 current undergraduate students are Pell Grant recipients.

Every uni I went to is considered elite (non-US schools globally rated so, and one in the US that is considered elite both in the US and globally). Many of my fellow students were from far from wealthy family backgrounds. It is a combination of both meritocracy, financial aid/scholarships, and also DEI. Of course there were also many students from elite/wealthy/powerful families (including 'legacies'), but the student bodies at all my tertiary education institutions were not remotely just limited to the rich and powerful.

[Mountainguy]

32. Ivy league is ridiculously tilted toward the rich.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/prestoncooper2/2023/08/22/new-study-investigates-why-elite-colleges-favor-rich-kids/

[Celerity]

34. In terms of admissions but not in terms of the actual makeup of the students, which is far more diverse economically

than you are trying to posit.

I never disputed that the wealthy have a better shot at getting in, but the outcomes for the overall make-up, at the end of the day, is more expansive demographically.

I gave you concrete evidence of that in my reply, with data from one of the most elite unis on the planet. I also addressed the legacy factor (which I do have issues with, to be sure).

Is the elite uni admissions process fair? No, not at all, but that is not the measure of what I stated.

The elite schools' student demographics are simply not exclusively or near exclusively made up of students from the very rich.

[uponit7771]

17. Terrorist are expected to terrorize not our allies

[MarineCombatEngineer]

11. UNHRC?

Those 5 letters are all I need to know that this is bullshit.
Fail.

[Behind the Aegis]

12. Yup.

Membership of the Council for 2024 is as follows: Albania, Algeria, Argentina, Bangladesh, Belgium, Benin, Brazil, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Chile, China, Costa Rica, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Eritrea, Finland, France, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Honduras, India, Indonesia, Japan, Kazakhstan

Those nations?! Of course, I only highlighted the ones I know have ongoing human rights violations, and I didn't even bother to add the ones that hate the gays!

[malaise]

13. Actually rec

Rec

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. Actually, unrec.