ISRAEL TO BE BLACKLISTED BY THE UN

[TomDaisy]

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BREAKING: ISRAEL TO BE BLACKLISTED BY THE UN

Antonio Guterres told Israeli security officials that Israel will be added to the UN blacklist of countries that “harm children in conflict zones".

The final signature is expected next week.

Being on the UN blacklist could harm arms supplies to Israel as well as hurt its diplomatic relations.

The resolution would be valid for 4 years.

Source:
@Kahlissee

[former9thward]

1. Where is an actual legitimate source for this?

[Celerity]

8. Channel 13 (Israeli TV): A political blow: Israel was put on the "black list" of the UN (Google translated from Hebrew)

First publication: UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres informed Israeli officials that Jerusalem had been put on the "black list" of "countries that kill children". This is the first time that the army of a democratic country has entered this list - and in Jerusalem they fear immediate consequences for military aid from the world.

https://13tv.co.il/item/news/politics/state-policy/d6z6u-904090920/?pid=7&cid=902992383 (video in Hebrew at the link)



UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres informed a senior IDF official that Israel has been included in the "list of countries that kill children", this was published this evening (Thursday) for the first time on News 13. Guterres added that his final signature will be given in the coming week. In Israel they said that We were informed about the issue and that we are preparing for the publication of the decision.

The fear in Israel is that the decision, which in fact states that the IDF is an army that harms children, will lead to sanctions from countries around the world, including those with direct consequences for the supply of armaments to Israel. But the step is prevented every year anew.

Opposition leader Yair Lapid said that "putting the State of Israel on the black list is a serious and baseless political move by the UN Secretary General, who has long since lost all moral direction. On October 7, over 1,400 innocent citizens, women and children, were murdered by terrorists Wretches who still hold young women and old people captive. The promiscuous government has lost all ability to stop Israel's political deterioration. Only a sane government will be able to rebuild our international status and strengthen us abroad."

snip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_13_(Israel)

[David__77]

10. Thanks for posting.

[former9thward]

11. Google does not come up with any MSM reports on this.

In fact it only came up with one report and that was simply quoting Channel 13. So only one source in the whole world about what the UN Secretary is reportably doing.

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. It has plenty - see

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22conflict+zones%22+%22children%22+%22guterres%22&sca_esv=4ce04de13f7e18f6&tbm=nws&prmd=invbmtz&source=lnt&tbs=sbd:1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBjdrE9smGAxXGQUEAHdCjCHwQpwV6BAgCEBk&biw=1592&bih=744&dpr=1

[former9thward]

23. All of them today.

My original reply post asking the question was yesterday. There were none.

[PufPuf23]

25. But you leaped to the conclusion you apparently wanted. nt

[former9thward]

35. I did not leap to anything.

If you want to believe once source which no one has heard of go ahead.

[PufPuf23]

68. Never made any comment because had no idea and that

is general approach. Had zero idea what to believe.

Was commenting on what you concluded without knowing.

Troubled over Israel. Worried that Netanyahu and Likud types will harm POTUS Biden as they are busy building a hole in world opinion. Israel has gone way too far right wing and reactionary.

BTW spent over 45 years of life in daily contact or under same roof of Jews I loved and some still love me after nearly 70 years. My family of birth sucked. How I became a lifetime anti-war, pro-environment Democrat. Why I have been, since a child and remain, pro-Zionist. Why I have two degrees from Cal. Why somethings see at DU upset me. Why think terrorism sucks. Why think wrong to make Israel / Palestine a binary choice between militant and heavily armed rightwing Israel and Hamas terrorists.

There are things posted at DU that are cringe-worthy if one looks at the source.

[former9thward]

69. I agree with your last sentence.

I trust little I read about Israel and almost nothing coming from the UN which has had an anti-Israel bias for decades. I am not Jewish, but I am a Zionist in the sense that I think Israel not only has a right to exist but should exist. I was in Israel last week and had the opportunity to talk to some of the survivors of Oct 7th. I will never forget the horror.

[muriel_volestrangler]

33. Oh - my screen shows your #11 reply "Google does not..." as Fri Jun 7

Will you report this bug to EarlG or shall I?

[former9thward]

37. Maybe read.

I said my original reply. Which was yesterday. And report anything to anyone you wish.

[jimfields33]

30. How about the UN criticize the middle eastern countries

who refuse to take in the Palestinians even temporarily. The Middle East has some of the wealthiest countries and they basically tell the “Palestinians to go to hell. We don’t want you here.” How the fuck do they get away with it? Not even criticized. Such crap!!!!!

[enid602]

59. Jordan

There are 2.5 million Palestinians that have been in Jordan for decades. About half of the Jordanian population.

[enid602]

61. Jordan

There are 2.5 million Palestinians that have been in Jordan for decades. About half of the Jordanian population.

[Think. Again.]

2. Needs verification.

[Celerity]

9. here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219014971#post8

[Mosby]

3. @Kahlissee is a well known antisemite and conspiracy theorist.

Nt.

[Ace Rothstein]

4. Sharing a pro-Hamas Twitter page on DU.

Really nice look for this site.

[tritsofme]

5. Pretty disgusting, but not exactly surprising.

[orange jar]

6. "Suppressed News"? lmao.

you can support Palestinians without having to resort to sketchy Twitter "news" accounts. Be completely serious here: would YOU really trust a news source that named itself "Suppressed News" if it covered anything else? Because the name itself sounds very much like something you'd find on Yandex's search results.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. Confirmation: Haaretz reports Netanyahu's response to it

Netanyahu on UN decision to blacklist Israel: 'UN has put itself on the blacklist of history, IDF is the world's most moral army'

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded to the UN's decision to include Israel in a blacklist of countries that inflict harm on children in conflict zones, and said, "the UN has put itself today on the blacklist of history, when it joined those who support the Hamas murderers. The IDF is the world's most moral army, and no preposterous UN decision can change that."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-07/ty-article-live/biden-israel-listened-to-u-s-concerns-on-rafah-netanyahu-to-address-congress-on-july-24/0000018f-f079-de64-a98f-f2fff0700000#842455470

[Hekate]

15. TY. Haaretz is an actual reliable source for this disturbing story

[maxsolomon]

14. Has there ever been a conflict zone where children weren't harmed?

Seems like that's par for the course in violent conflicts.

[Hekate]

16. Pretty much. But it's interesting who is and is not being called out by the UN, isn't it?

Did I miss the Breaking News about Russia being blacklisted for torturing Ukrainian children in the first phase of the invasion (there were mutilated bodies) or for kidnapping upwards of 10,000 children to be raised in Russia?

Riiiight.

[maxsolomon]

17. Russia's on the blacklist. DNK if it was in the 1st phase.

The UN’s list of shame is a blacklist of countries and organizations accused of killing children in conflict zones. This list currently includes Russia and groups such as Daesh, Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, and Boko Haram, as reported by Hebrew newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth.

https://en.royanews.tv/news/51894/UN%20blacklist:%20Israeli%20Occupation%20included%20in%20%27list%20of%20shame%27%20over%20killing%20children

[Hekate]

18. TYVM for the correction about Russia

I appreciate it.

[Ping Tung]

19. No cause justifies the deaths of innocent people. Albert Camus

[maxsolomon]

20. Yet every conflict has caused them.

We don't live in an ideal world where causes don't involve violence and innocent death. Neither did Camus.

[sarisataka]

24. Why is that statement never applied

to the Palestinian cause? Innocent Jewish deaths are met with "you have to understand the background..." The implication being either

-the deaths are justified

-or-

-they are not innocent

[Ping Tung]

32. Camus, in this quote didn't mention any ethnic or religious group.

I agree with Camus, and others, who believe killing people in general is barbarism especially non combatants.

I don't go along with the "My country, right or wrong" slogan wihich tries to justify murder by waving some flag or reciting some prayer to convince ordinary people to kill other ordinary people.

[sarisataka]

39. You answered an unasked question

About qualifiers to Camus' statement while avoiding addressing the asked question about how his words are applied to some but not others.

Personally I believe Orwell provides the answer but wondered if you had your own.

[Ping Tung]

43. Are you saying that Camus actully justified murder for some but not others?

I can certainly agree that his words are ignored by many . Hamas, and other terrorist groups ignore them. And justify their killings and atrocities as defending their cause. As do the Israelis and Americans and every other group that kills innocents for their causes.

I have dealt with, as a counselor, a number of ex-GIs who suffered from PTSD guilt because they were told to kill innocents as in "We had to burn the village in order to save it".

[sarisataka]

44. No, so I don't know why you are suggesting such

I have only asked about double standards.

If members of group "A" are killed, they were innocent
Members of group "J" who are killed must be considered in context...

Assuming those killed in both groups were women and children, that is a double standard. Wouldn't you agree?

[Ping Tung]

48. Where's the double standard? Camus said, and I agee, that there is no cause that justifies

the death of innocents.

"Innocents" are people who weren't involved in the killing. The military, governments, and the killers themselves try to justify the the killing of innocents by calling the dead, maimed, traumatized, mourners as "collateral damage", "unfortunate victims", "poor souls in the wrong place", "human barriers" and all the other grotesque excuses for barbarism.

[sarisataka]

55. I am unsure if you don't understand my point

or are simply playing obtuse.

I am not claiming Camus had a double standard. I am saying that PEOPLE have double standards. To paraphrase Orwell, Some innocents are more innocent that others.

[Ping Tung]

58. Everybody has double standards. So what?

You seem to be saying that there are actual differences between kinds of people when it comes to justifying killing and that some of the dead were more or less valuable than others. I just see them as victims of mindless killing for some unjustifiable cause.

[NoRethugFriends]

64. The user has not been answering the questions asked them. Instear they go red herring.

[NoRethugFriends]

27. Well, how about if you had to kill some innicent people to prevent 11 million people wiped out in the holocaust?

What then?

[Ping Tung]

36. The Nazis used the same logic to justify the Holocaust.

Hitler and his mob convinced a lot of Germans (and others) that were killing Jews, Homosexuals, Mentally ill people , and many others that they were protecting the "Aryans" and the Reich by killing off the Jews, Communists, Liberals, Gypsies, and any other invented Bogeymen.

Here's another Camus quote that apples.

The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.
Albert Camus

[NoRethugFriends]

63. You did not come close to answering my question

What anyone else did for any alleged reason is not relevant to my question.

[Mountainguy]

74. Except Oct 7th was real.

[former9thward]

38. So we should have done nothing in WW 2?

Plenty of innocents were killed in that war by all sides.

[Ping Tung]

46. Who is "we"?

Are you speaking for yourself? If so do you think you would be willing to knowingly kill innocents for some cause? It's so easy to depersonalize people. When I was in boot camp we were told to kill people on order by thinking of them as "targets" or "the enemy".

What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? Gandhi

[former9thward]

47. Nobody told me anything about killing people in boot camp.

That came later. The "We" is the U.S. which participated in WW 2. Yes, I would be willing to follow orders to successfully attack an enemy. Don't join if you are not willing to do that.

[Ping Tung]

51. I joined when I was 17. It took me a while to realize that the bastards

really wanted me to kill real people that I didn't know, had nothing against, and might have been friends with.

At the time, as is always the case, I didn't know and still don't, what I would have done when confronted with such an appalling order.

I'm not a machine with buttons that can be expected to say "I was just following orders," if I murdered some harmless civilians.

[sarisataka]

57. What in Dog's name did you think the military did

if not kill people?

[Ping Tung]

60. At 17 I was still naive enough to believe that there was such a thing as a "just cuse"

that would excuse killing "enemies". Armed and dangerous enemies. Not harmless civilians going about their lives. I grew up and realized that war is barbarism and that fighting in one is to participate in barbarism. I finally got my discharge after my 4 years of boredom but thankful that I wasn't confronted with having to make a choice of "just following orders" or going to prison.

[sarisataka]

62. I am glad you were able to do your time

and get out without having to face any moral dilemmas. Wars are ugly, just or not.

[Ping Tung]

71. We can agree on that. Thanks.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

70. What fucking boot camp did you attend?

I went through MCRD at Paris Island in '64 and we were never ever told any such thing, so I question your statement.

[Ping Tung]

75. MCRD San Diego 1961.

Some idiot Captain at one of those morale building Gung ho lectures said to us that we should hate the commies and kill Cubans because he was a commie and had a ratty beard. Even then, I thought that was a pretty thin reason for killing somebody.

[malaise]

21. About time

Rec

[Happy Hoosier]

26. Is Russia on that list?

If not, then they are simply not credible.

[maxsolomon]

40. Yes. See my post 17.

nt

[Happy Hoosier]

49. Good.

[Goddessartist]

28. Excellent!

Thank you for posting this!!!

[Omnipresent]

29. Bibi did this to Israel.

Israel needs to get rid of him!

[jimfields33]

31. Hamas and other middle eastern countries did this.

Hamas for terrorizing Israel. And Middle East countries for not even taking the kids in their country even temporarily. We need to blame those directly to blame.

[Omnipresent]

54. How about we spread out the blame...

With Bibi’s Government, getting a big old slice of it.

[jimfields33]

56. Israel is the victim. Rapes, assaults, killings.

Israel is trying so hard to get rid of Hamas while trying to get food to Palestinians which they’ve been feeding for years. Although, Hamas keeps taking the food. And the jobs Israel gives the Palestinians is extraordinary and thousands are involved with working with Israeli people.

[maxsolomon]

42. Only NO military response to 10/7 would have prevented deaths of children in Gaza.

Hamas' intent on 10/7 was to bait Israel into a no-win conflict that would kill scores of Gazan innocents (they apparently believe they have a surplus of them). Netanyahu could have chosen different tactics, sure, but any military response would kill children in a dense urban environment.

If, after 10/7, the IDF had simply walled Gaza off and announced, "no food until the hostages are returned", that too would have killed children. Eventually.

[Omnipresent]

52. He's just wreckless.

There is no excuse for the innocent being killed or wounded in Gaza.

[maxsolomon]

65. How can the IDF attack Hamas without killing or wounding innocent Gazans?

This is what I mean by "no-win" for Israel. You're eliminating a military response to 10/7 as an option, because there's "no excuse for innocents being killed or wounded."

Innocents are ALWAYS killed in wars. Always.

[Omnipresent]

82. There are far too many of them dying.

When is enough, enough?!

[maxsolomon]

83. I don't know.

Was it "enough" when the 1st innocent Gazan died? Was any IDF action after 10/7 legitimate?

[Omnipresent]

84. You mean the genocide and flattening of Gaza by the IDF?

[maxsolomon]

89. No, i don't mean that.

What I mean is: I don't believe you accept any deaths of innocent Gazans, therefore you don't accept that a military response to 10/7 has legitimacy.

Yours is an Idealist position, and this is the real world. Innocents die in war. It is inevitable and unavoidable. There is no way to say when "enough is enough".

[Omnipresent]

90. We didn't lose a single hostage under President Carter..

We also didn’t flatten Iran like a pancake either.
Bibi’s rightwing government doesn’t know how to de-escalate anything, without making the situation, much much worse.

[TomDaisy]

66. the world is screaming at the carnage Israel has caused. Not just people on DU. The world.

Are we all wrong??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[maxsolomon]

67. Not entirely.

Israel was wounded, and not just physically, by 10/7. It was a Pogrom. Considering their history, that's going to enrage Jews. It was designed to. They lashed out.

The IDF could have been more judicious in their tactics. I'd wager the Biden Admin advised them to be very strategic, but Hamas' intent was to provoke a vengeful overreaction. Israel played into Hamas' hands and now finds itself a pariah.

Considering the density of the Gazan population, Israel has calibrated their response somewhat, and has all along. The death toll could be vastly larger had their intent been to kill indiscriminately.

[Sky Jewels]

34. Good.

[ColinC]

41. Good.

[Rob H.]

50. It's about time nt

[LiberaBlueDem]

53. Good

Maybe Israel gets less arms?

[Autumn]

73. Good.

[Mountainguy]

76. Who cares?

The UN just keeps proving over and over that it's impotent.

[TomDaisy]

77. Israel will when it results in blocked arms supplies. Better start making their own.

[Mountainguy]

78. lol

You think the US is going to stop supplying weapons because some UN nerd says so?

We won't and they can't do anything about it.

[TomDaisy]

79. Yes. Nothing more funny than war crimes and killing innocent children.

[Mountainguy]

80. The funny part was the idea that the US is beholden to the UN

But for your other point, maybe Hamas should stop using schools are military bases.

[TomDaisy]

81. Maybe Israel should stop killing children.

[yagotme]

85. Maybe Hamas should stop killing children. nt

[TomDaisy]

86. Having the last word does not make the world forgive Israel's Genocide on Gaza.

[yagotme]

87. Changing 1 word in a sentence to reflect an equal truth,

shouldn't be an offense to the poster.

[AnrothElf]

88. It's not genocide, and you demean and denigrate actual genocides by using it as a bludgeon.