Pro-Israel protesters at UCLA threw a bag of live mice into the pro-Gaza encampment

[TomDaisy]

an eye-witness just reported this to me

[TomDaisy]

1. eyewitness said the barricade is meant to keep violent counter-protesters out

[Cha]

3. Bull. I actually have a Receipt..

https://youtube.com/shorts/lqhsIgpTCqA?si=PpYIqPyw4slueevY

[TomDaisy]

5. are you calling my daughter a liar

[Cha]

25. Watch the Video Tom Daisy..

[TomDaisy]

100. my daughter doesn't lie

[Cha]

101. Watch the Video.

[SoFlaBro]

181. I j ust watched it. The Hamas lovers are up to some sick shit. They hate Jews. Call it anti-Zionism, fucking call it

anti Velcro. Bottom line, it is dressed up Jew hatred.

[Cha]

201. Yeah it's despicable and

as much as it's Denied that it's Anti-Sarmatism they can't erase reality as much as they try.

Free the Hostages

[SoFlaBro]

219. They can't dress it up and they can't get around the fact that they fucking hate Israel because it is full of Jews.

I won't let the fucking shit slide.

[Cha]

173. Nobody said she did.. Not one person.

[sheshe2]

51. Don't do this Tom.

Your post said an 'eye witness'. You never mentioned your daughter. So how could Cha call your daughter a liar? There is enough tension here now. I ask you please not to create more.

[JohnSJ]

77. That is a setup if I have ever seen one

[sheshe2]

79. Yes it was.

Create division where there is none.

[TomDaisy]

98. I was trying to protect her from vile attacks

[yardwork]

132. Number one, there was no "vile attack."

The poster said "Bull." That's not a "vile attack."

Number two, in your OP you didn't identify the eyewitness as your daughter. So, the poster responding to your OP had no way of knowing you were talking about your daughter.

Third, your exaggeration of this exchange - here in black and white for all to see - raises real questions in my mind about the truth of your OP. No, I am not calling anybody a liar. I am wondering if the same emotional exaggeration we see here might be at play in your OP.

My advice is to step back.

[Cha]

103. Mahalo, she.. very well said and

Just the right timbre 🎶🎼🎵🕯️🕊️💙🌊🇺🇸

[Beetwasher.]

85. My son, my niece and my best friend who is chief of biological safety

At CU were also there and they all say she’s a liar. So does the video evidence. Are you calling my son, my niece and my best friend liars?

[arthritisR_US]

97. In Canada on our local news who are fallowing

all of this reported that the reporting on that “incident “ were questionable..

[Demsrule86]

140. There is a video...can't remember where...and its been reported. No student should be forced to us another

entrance to his/her college. This reminds me of Rosa Park and the bus. American Jews have nothing to do with horror in GAZA. Do American Jews need to have separate but equal entrances?

[JustAnotherGen]

210. That's exactly

What it looks like to me. Ruby Bridges all over again.

[Think. Again.]

24. That's odd...

...if the young man was concerned about getting to class on time, perhaps he should have used an unblocked entrance instead?

[Jedi Guy]

27. No. Those dumbshits should have gotten out of his way.

They don't have the right to block other students from freely traversing the campus. Period, end of story.

I rather doubt you'd be so blasé if white supremacist students blocked an African-American student from freely traversing the campus, so I'm curious as to why you're taking that tack in this case.

[Think. Again.]

33. Because those protesters are trying to save innocent, non-hamas civilian lives.

I hope I've cleared up your curiousity.

[Jedi Guy]

38. Oh please, don't be ridiculous.

Was that student heading onto the campus with the intention of slaughtering some Palestinians?

The protesters don't have the right to restrict another student from freely traversing the campus as they choose. They are in the wrong.

This is not complicated.

[Think. Again.]

42. That student certainly wasn't just trying to get class...

...or he would have just used an entrance that wasn't blocked (and wouldn't have had someone film him doing it).

[Jedi Guy]

47. No. He doesn't have to use another entrance. He has the right to use any entrance he pleases.

The protesters do not have the right to block any entrance to campus and prevent students from freely traversing it.

Again, this is not complicated.

I notice that you haven't answered the question I posed upthread. Why is that, I wonder?

[Think. Again.]

50. You do understand how civil disobedience works, right?

And you do understand that rhetorical questions require no responses, right?

[Jedi Guy]

57. "You do understand how civil disobedience works, right?"

You do understand that you don't have the right to block another person from traveling, right? Legally, protesters cannot block car or pedestrian traffic, and they're clearly doing the latter here. Moreover, the student they blocked from entering was wearing a Star of David necklace. Why do you suppose they singled him out?

And you do understand that rhetorical questions require no responses, right?

I understand that you're dodging the question because answering it truthfully would reveal the hypocrisy of your position here, you bet.

[Think. Again.]

64. That area seems to be blocked to all non-protesting people...

And no, I never for a minute thought an American in America was about to kill a Palestinian in Gaza.

[Jedi Guy]

74. "That area seems to be blocked to all non-protesting people..."

Even if true, it doesn't matter. They don't have that right. Again, this really, really isn't hard.

And no, I never for a minute thought an American in America was about to kill a Palestinian in Gaza.

Cute, except that wasn't the question I meant, as I think you knew very well. Let me make it plainer, since that somehow seems to be required.

If a group of white supremacist students were protesting something and blocked an entrance to campus, refusing to allow African-American students through, would you be so blasé and hand-wave it away with "well, that's just civil disobedience, they can use another entrance"?

[Think. Again.]

78. Your question is a false equivalence...

...that isn't possible to answer.

And again, I ask you, do you understand how civil disobedience works?

[Jedi Guy]

120. My question is in no way a false equivalence.

It's the exact same scenario with the actors modified.

You simply don't want to answer it because you know full well that doing so will reveal the hypocrisy of your position, as I've already noted.

[Think. Again.]

121. modifying the actors presents a completely issue.

[Jedi Guy]

122. No, it really doesn't. Not at all.

You just don't want to answer for the reason I've already noted. That's it and that's all.

[Think. Again.]

124. okay, well, you seem to have it all figured out to your satisfaction then.

[Jedi Guy]

130. Yeah, I'm quite confident in the conclusion I've drawn based on your responses.

Your dogged unwillingness to answer the question posed within a hypothetical with all else the same apart from the actors involved speaks volumes. Your laughable assertion that it's a false equivalence is merely another attempt to dodge the issue.

Feel free to respond if you feel like you need the final word. You're not engaging in discussion in good faith, so it's not a productive dialogue and I won't be responding further for that reason.

Hope you enjoy your Wednesday.

[Think. Again.]

133. Projection.

[SoFlaBro]

182. So you would casually dismiss an instance of black people being held up by fucking skinheads from going to class?

[Think. Again.]

185. That wasn't what was happening...

...that one entrance was being blocked to all non-protesters, every other entrance was clear to use and were being used by anyone wanting to go in the building.

[SoFlaBro]

190. No different than the anti abortion shitbirds that block entrances to abortion clinics for women looking for health care

[Think. Again.]

192. Except that the student protesters are not blockng all access to the school...

and probably don't care if anyone uses the other entrances, but are only protecting themselves inside their encampment.

[JustAnotherGen]

213. I don't see the difference

In the context of America -Jewish Americans stood with African. They helped us form the NAACP. Look at many of the Attorneys who sued AmeriKKKa.

These adults in the eyes of the law - this black woman sees no difference between them and Bull Connor.

He's wearing a Star of David in the same way Ruby Bridges wore her skin -

They are targeting him.cow "What he is". That's how genocide starts in America.

[JustAnotherGen]

214. Why do they get to decide

That non protesters are second class citizens who have to use the back door?

[cab67]

126. Except that form of civil disobedience doesn't work.

In fact, it's pretty much guaranteed to backfire.

I've said this several times on DU in the context of protesters blocking road traffic - this is, far an away, the least intelligent form of protest in existence.

Yes, protest is intended to disrupt business as usual, and it's not supposed to make people comfortable. But if, as a professor myself, a group of protesters blocked my building and kept me from teaching a class or missing an appointment with a student in need, I would be far less sympathetic to the protestors' cause. If I was a student, and I was late for an appointment with an advisor (something that might have to be scheduled days or weeks in advance), or if I missed a midterm and had to schedule a makeup (working it in with my class and work schedule), I wouldn't put the blame on those committing wrongdoing elsewhere - I'd put the blame on the people who directly and deliberately blocked me..

My comment is independent of the reason these people are protesting. It's directed entirely at its ineffectiveness.

Blocking road traffic is even worse, as it might block emergency vehicles from getting through and, thus, result in loss of life.

Protest, beyond disrupting business and generating discomfort, is intended to affect change. This sort of protest is all but guaranteed not to do that.

[Think. Again.]

128. If you're discussing a civil disobedience action..

...with other members of the public, the action worked.

[TheCynic56]

129. Protests/Civil Disobedience

Do work! We're all here on DU, why the arguing? It appears to me(for months) the constant challenging comes from one side. People are entitled to their opinions, right or wrong. Telling people they're wrong in their feelings/emotions is a no-no. Example: "your pain is yours and my pain, is mine"

Folks here, need to chill and quit being so argumentative.

[Mossfern]

145. I don't understand your point

How did it work?

If it created annoyance or even anger with the protesters, how did that garner the support of others for the protesters cause? I would say it does quite the opposite.

[Think. Again.]

147. The protests are amplifying the discussion on the issue...

...as made obvious by your post.

That is the sole purpose of protests.

This protest is working.

[Mossfern]

149. As far as I see on this site

All the discussions have been fruitless.
They just serve as a vehicle for people to vent.

I do know that these demonstrations have managed to promote antisemitism and have not influenced anyone's behavior in the region where the conflict is taking place.

I do know that my Jewish American family feel threatened because in these demonstrations (students or not) people are calling for the death of Jews and the destruction of Israel - a nation established as a safe haven for Jewish people.

Perhaps you didn't grow up with stories from family members who survived pogroms or the Holocaust. The threat is lodged on our DNA. I do know that when I had my third child that I was distressed thinking that if there were another attack on Jewish people, how would I carry three children to safety while I only have two arms. Yes, these fears live in the the minds of Jewish people.

For many of us, these demonstrations are a trigger - especially after the atrocity filled attack on October 7th and many of the protesters celebrating that.

Please think again, Think Again.

[Think. Again.]

150. The Biden administration has...

...adjusted their policy, or at least their public statements, since the protests began.

The Universities are now in very serious discussions in regards to their Israeli investments.

These are the goals if the protests.

The provocation of anti-semitism AND Islamphobia is being sparked by non-students involving themselves in the protests for their own reasons.

EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FEEL SAFE. Including Jewish students and Arab students, protesters, faculty and public of all backgrounds, and civilians in Israel and Gaza.

My belief is that it is not the protesting students who are causing any threat, but protest outsiders using this situation to fan flames for their own purposes. I also don't believe it's wise for non-protesting students or the public to put themselves in threats-way by instigating anyone at any time as we have seen in some videos.

On a personal note, I do empathize with the position Jewish people are in as to previous trauma and the resulting "triggers" as I am also a member of a class of people who have been historically, and continue to to be, traumatized and killed for who we are (including by nazis during the Holocaust), in muslim and christian societies, and on the streets of my home country, America.

Perhaps that's why the horrific brutality being committed on Gazans is so vile to me. And yes, I also detest the horrific brutality of Oct.6 and firmly belief hamas must be obliterated.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

156. To be fair...

All these discussions here have given trolls the opportunity to rack up 1000s of posts in a few months. Usually by nit-picking, deflecting and sea-lioning.

[Think. Again.]

165. I absolutely agree...

...it's a shame there are so many hardcore trolls, but they are obviously just trying to cause as much division as possible among true Democrats as they possibly can.

[JustAnotherGen]

215. Thank you for this post

I don't understand how people can't see the threatening behaviour for what it is.

[cab67]

170. Respectfully disagree.

They're not amplifying the discussion - they're making it more convoluted.

The discussion should be about two things, and only two things: the current status and future of Gaza, and the role of the US in resolving the crisis. Each of these is a complex set of problems requiring deep thought.

Now, we're also discussing the rights and wrongs (which are different from the lawfuls and unlawfuls) of certain forms of protest. We're also discussing the nature of free speech and the intersection of protester, police, and academic administration.

These are important issues, but they're also world-class diversions.

I have close friends at other institutions who've been told to work from home. They're deeply concerned about the situation in Gaza. Some are strongly in favor of Israel's response to the Hamas attacks, and others want an immediate IDF withdrawal. All of them, regardless of how they feel about Israel's efforts, passionately want to see the violence to end and for aid to be brought to the suffering Gaza citizens. And each and every one of them has said the same thing - the protests have been a major distraction from the debate. Instructors are now more concerned about whether they can effectively do their jobs, and students are more concerned about meeting their academic obligations.

I get that protest is supposed to be disruptive, but the kinds of protest that prevent travel, whether they close off freeways or block building doors, redirect peoples' attention away from the issue at hand and toward the hardships caused by the protesters themselves. This is why they invariably backfire.

I can assure that no one is thinking "I can't make my appointment with the dean - maybe I should work harder to bring peace to Gaza and justice to the Palestinian people." They're thinking "I can't make my appointment with the dean - maybe the university should do something about the crowds."

They're not thinking "My safety is imperiled by angry crowds that might grow violent - this makes me more sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinian people." They're thinking "My safety is imperiled by angry crowds that might grow violent - someone should do something to ensure my safety."

The sooner protesters allow free access of academic facilities to those needing them, the sooner we can get back to discussing what actually matters.

[SoFlaBro]

184. Bravo! You have laid out a fucking good argument about the folly of the Hamas-loving protests.

[cab67]

196. The cause is irrelevant to my argument.

I don't care what the cause is. Protests that prevent people from going where they need to go backfire. That's an objective fact.

[cab67]

169. Really?

How, exactly, has it impacted the situation in Gaza?

[EX500rider]

263. The "JUST STOP OIL" protesters in Europe are infamous for blocking roads

My fav is when they thought it was a bright idea to try and block the British Grand Prix DURING the race...lol

&list=FLKmbj3XF1ryOYtieVrQey4g&index=67

[Jedi Guy]

279. Just Stop Oil protesters are hilariously dumb.

My favorite from them was when they were climbing all over an oil truck to prevent it from moving. A reporter interviewed the driver, who laughed and pointed out that it was... wait for it... cooking oil.

Priceless.

[EX500rider]

280. I also love the one who they were standing in front of a Tesla blocking it at the front of the line

[DemocraticPatriot]

163. Civil disobedience is committed against the government or those in authority

who hold power--- not against your fellow students who have no such power.

[Think. Again.]

164. That's why the students are commiting it...

...against their schools, who have the authority to make the needed divestments.

[DemocraticPatriot]

243. Obviously, you missed my point.... or more likely just ignored it.

Their fellow students have no power to make those divestments, so how is it justified that they were being prevented from going to class and just living their lives???

(I sympathize with the protesters primarily, but fucking with the lives of their fellow students does not help anyone in Gaza---
in fact it HURTS them--- since I and many others are probably less sympathetic than we were before.)

[ripcord]

63. So you are saying Jews ahould go around back?

[Think. Again.]

70. Are you under the impression that only the Jewish students (who are not participating in the protest)...

..are being inconvenienced? (Hint; so is everyone else on campus who is not participating in the protests)

[Demsrule86]

141. should they sit on the back of the bus too? Rec

[Think. Again.]

172. Who?

[edisdead]

179. How can one possibly be so incredibly wrong?

[Think. Again.]

183. I know right?

He mentioned he needed to get in the building, how could not just follow everyone else who were going in using unblocked ways????

[JustAnotherGen]

212. He pays tuition too

[Cha]

93. Damn Straight they don't have the right.. and they're

Not helping the Palestinian Cause.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218906153

[Cha]

94. "When you let Jewish students in the building, perhaps they will bring you some food."

Link to tweet

[calguy]

89. Get Real... Those protesters aren't saving a single life.

[Think. Again.]

90. They certainly are trying...

...and for that, they have my deepest gratitude.

[calguy]

91. "Trying" isn't "Doing"

How exactly are they 'trying'?
They lost my respect a long time ago.

[Think. Again.]

92. I'm sure they would be sad about that.

[calguy]

95. Like I care?

[edisdead]

186. That protest is so obviously subverted

That protest is so obviously subverted it is laughable that you do not recognize it. I am not saying that some in it are not true to their beliefs and thoughts but it is being used and here we are supporting that use. They are doing the same that they did to the occupy movement. The Seattle “riots”. The George Floyd protests…Etc. Time to regroup this protest and be smart about kicking out the bad actors because it sure as shit looks like the far right are there provoking this thing and doing it exactly for the reasons being put on display here.

[Think. Again.]

189. I absolutely agree with you...

...not only are the protests themselves being subverted, some out here in the general public are supporting that subversion by blaming the protests and protesters for the acts of those doing the subverting.

[Demsrule86]

138. How does this help...I see horrible things said about Jewish Americans by such protestors.

Jewish Americans have nothing to do with Israel. I remind you that Hamas first attacked not Israel. I am horrified about GAZA I don't like Netanayuh either. And I think this may be a wag-the-dog thing. He needs to go. The anti-semitism on display is disturbing. I don't think the accomplish anything.

[Think. Again.]

139. If you can't admit that the anti-semitism is...

...rare and certainly not condoned by the protest organizers, and probably being thrown around by provocateurs from ALL SIDES to start trouble, then you might not be debating in good faith.

[Demsrule86]

142. It is not rare...it is the focus of these protest which do nothing but let antisemitism show its

ugly head. They don't help GAZA they embolden Hamas and make a cease fire unlikely. My cousin is at NYU. She has dark hair and was mistaken for a Jewish American before that school cleared out the Demonstrators. She said she them her she wasn't Jewish but why was it any of their business? They still harassed her. That pisses me off as do the signs I have seen.

[Think. Again.]

191. It is not the focus of the protests...

The focus of the protest is to influence the U.S. to support a ceasefire and to influence the schools to divest from Israel, and as I mentioned, I believe the vast majority of the harrassment is coming from infiltrators.

[TexasDem69]

205. What infiltrators?

Has anyone unmasked a single infiltrator in these protests? Who do you think is supporting the alleged infiltrators?

[Think. Again.]

207. Thank you for your input.

[TexasDem69]

209. That wasn't a rhetorical question

It was a for reals one. Any answer?

[Think. Again.]

222. Here's a couple...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/veteran-activist-joined-columbia-protesters-police-call-professional-a-rcna150261

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18913677

[edisdead]

188. Seriously? Not condined?

If it isn’t condoned they need to kick these people out, and if they can’t kick them out (Meaning can’t control the mov) then they need to shut it down, leave and tell the police they need assistance BEFORE SOMEONE GETS KILLED! Because that is where this is headed in their “protest to save lives”.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

154. Seriously?

Blocking a student saves lives? Can you get any more ridiculous?

[Think. Again.]

158. Protests and civil disobedience...

...are tried and true tools to affect public policy.

You might want to research the Civil Rights movement, Viet Nam, the Suffragette movement, the Women's movement, Stonewall, BLM, the anti-nuke movement Apartheid, Labor and Union picket lines, the MeToo movement, Gandhi, etc.

[JustAnotherGen]

211. How does

Stopping an innocent man trying to get to class because of his Faith save people in Gaza?

I wonder if they are doing the same thing to African American Christians?

[Think. Again.]

220. If he was only trying to get to his class...

...he would have used any of the unblocked doorways, and he wasn't blocked because of his faith, he was blocked along with everyone else of whatever faiths.

He was staging and instigating a confrontation for his friend to get on camera.

[JustAnotherGen]

225. Agree to disagree

Fastest route possible.

I wish Jewish people in Germany had the advantage of camera phones and social media during the Nazi Regime.

Maybe the world would have seen what was coming.

I see it in America.

Too bad they had hoods on. That's weak. If you believe in your cause - you will walk as tall and proud as Medgar and Harriet.

[Think. Again.]

227. Yep...

The fastest route possible is certainly not a heavily blocked entrance. He was obviously just trying to cause hostility.

What's astonishing to me is how many people here on a pro-Democratic party website are going out if their way to support and amplify this rightwing, anti-protest B.S.

[PufPuf23]

153. I see an aggressive, bullying male forcing a faux and unnecessary confrontation with a group of young women

for the camera with use as propaganda as the likely motive.

The interaction looked purposeful and pre-meditated.

The bully probably would not have acted the same given a group of male protestors at the barrier.

[Jedi Guy]

155. I see entitled, self-important protesters blocking people from freely traversing a campus they pay to attend.

The confrontation was absolutely unnecessary, though, you're right. They should have gotten the hell out of his way and allowed him to walk in peace since they have no right to block him or anyone else from using that or any other entrance to the campus.

Yes, he was very aggressive, asking them a couple times to let him pass, then raising his hands to ensure no inappropriate touching and attempting to squeeze through. My golly gosh gee willickers, what a monster that brutish young man is.

[Think. Again.]

159. I hope he didn't miss the start of his class...

...by refusing to take an unblocked route into the school.

[Cha]

238. It's a young Jewish Stpident Standing up for his

rights against those Authoritarians Throwing their weight around.

[PufPuf23]

239. Look at the other videos at Young American Foundation, a right wing hate site.

That video was probably staged to foster chaos.

You really should be more careful about what you post. The site is anti-woman, anti-Biden, etc.

Scroll through the many videos at the site. Ugly

About

Young America's Foundation is committed to ensuring that increasing numbers of young Americans understand and are inspired by the ideas of individual freedom, a strong national defense, free enterprise, and traditional values.

Young America's Foundation stepped forward to save President Reagan's Western White House, Rancho del Cielo, in the spring of 1998 to preserve it as a living monument to Ronald Reagan to pass on his ideas to future generations. President Reagan committed himself to reaching young people with his ideas—a goal that is also central to the Foundation's mission.

[wnylib]

28. Perhaps no student should have to face being blocked at any entrance

or be forced to choose which one is ok to use.

[Think. Again.]

34. Perhaps innocent, non-hamas children shouldn't be killed.

[wnylib]

43. Tell it to Hamas then. Make them share their hoarded supplies with people who need it.

Make Hamas stop living underground like the rats that they are, hiding beneath babies' diapers and women's skirts.

[Ponietz]

60. +1

hiding beneath babies’ diapers and women’s skirts

[EllieBC]

44. Perhaps Jewish students in the US

shouldn’t be punished for the Middle East. Unless you want Muslim students punished for them too.

[Think. Again.]

52. Are you under the impression that...

...only Jewish students (that are not participating in the protests) are being inconvenienced?

[EllieBC]

56. Sorry are you calling harassment

an inconvenience?

Oh right forgot. Just Jews so it’s ok.

Except the worker they took hostage earlier. That’s a big more than an “inconvenience” right? Maybe?

Enjoy the complete chaos the Hamas wannabes are creating for themselves.

[Think. Again.]

66. I am responding to the discussion of a student being inconvenienced by having to use an unblocked entrance.

[Drum]

83. You sound pretty disingenuous.

It is real tiresome, to say the least.

[Think. Again.]

86. Thank you for your input.

[SunSeeker]

105. He was not inconvenienced. He was ASSAULTED by those 4 protesters who pushed against him to block him.

That one tall guy in fact rushed over to block him, apparently not confident the 3 women would be strong enough to block him. Did you watch the video?


https://youtube.com/shorts/lqhsIgpTCqA?si=PpYIqPyw4slueevY

[Think. Again.]

114. Yes, I watched the video.

[AloeVera]

217. Lol. Pure theater and attempted provocation.

I have to laugh or I'd cry.

HE walked over to the protesters, and laid his hand on the arm of one, with a slight push, after exclaiming he was going through. When he realized what he'd done, he put his arms up and said "I have my hands up, I'm not hurting them". Then he turned his back and his backpack was pushing into them. At no time did they lay a hand on him or touch him that I could see. So, assault??

This young man is a professional provocateur. He has more videos out, provoking, taunting and inciting. It's theater with the intent to malign and demonize the demontrators who clearly don't want to engage with him. They are wise to his tactics.

Seems a lot of people here think he is heroic and admirable. To each his own, I guess, but I draw the line at misrepresentations of the actions of the protesters.

[SunSeeker]

218. Walking to class is not provocation. They should not have blocked him.

And they did physically block him with their bodies, which is assault.

He was an actual UCLA student, with a student ID, not a "professional provocateur."

[AloeVera]

228. THIS is assault.

Not that.

Link to tweet

?t=Ob-KrYnmzmn_5HeeUCNWCA&s=19

[PufPuf23]

235. Check out the Young America's Foundation site (source of the video)

It is a right wing hate organization.

"The Conservative Movement Starts here"

Check out the videos at the site.

The video is staged to sow chaos and division.

https://www.youtube.com/@YAFTV

[SunSeeker]

240. The encampment was staged too. And the dumbshits played right into the hands of the counterprotesters.

Of course that kid staged it. He wanted to show what harrassment was happening to Jewish students. So he donned his Star of Israel necklace and headed to the barricades. And the dumbshits obliged him by assaulting him on video as he tried to walk to class past their barricades.

[PufPuf23]

242. Look at the Young American video site.

The video is meant to sow chaos.

Look at the many videos at the site.

The site is far from pro-Democratic Party.

https://www.youtube.com/@YAFTV

About

Young America's Foundation is committed to ensuring that increasing numbers of young Americans understand and are inspired by the ideas of individual freedom, a strong national defense, free enterprise, and traditional values.

Young America's Foundation stepped forward to save President Reagan's Western White House, Rancho del Cielo, in the spring of 1998 to preserve it as a living monument to Ronald Reagan to pass on his ideas to future generations. President Reagan committed himself to reaching young people with his ideas—a goal that is also central to the Foundation's mission.

[NutmegYankee]

58. They sure as fuck are being specifically targeted. nt

[ripcord]

65. Exactly how many Palestinian children were saved by this act of anti-semitism?

[Think. Again.]

72. Why are assuming that only Jewish students are being blocked from using that entrance?

[ripcord]

75. Right so no Palestinian children were saved by the actions of these assholes

[Think. Again.]

80. Hopefully they will have the courage to keep trying.

[sheshe2]

168. They could go to Palestine and help out.

They could volunteer to hand out food with Chef André’s organization instead of breaking into a campus building and demand food and water and water to be brought in.

Oh, just now on MSNBC…most of the protesters are not students and not affiliated with the schools.

Imagine that. Something to think about.

[Think. Again.]

171. Yes, I've been thinking that the student protests...

...have been infiltrated by agitators, but didn't realze there were a minority of students to infiltrators.

[sheshe2]

174. What do you think about them volunteering in Palestine?

You know, To Save The Children. You didn't answer that part.

[Think. Again.]

175. That doesn't seem like a realistic option for many but...

...as we know, some have actually done that, and some of those were killed by IDF while doing it.

[edisdead]

187. Exactly!

[Cha]

30. Don't try to minimize this young Jewish Student and his friends

from being BLOCEKD by these Blockers.

[Think. Again.]

36. In my opinion their inconvenience IS minimal...

...compared to the killing of thousands of innocent, non-hamas civilians and their children.

[Cha]

41. They can go in where they want to WITHOUT Being

BLOCLKED. There BLOCKERS Don't' Get to Rule.

Thank Goodness the Jewish Students are Standing up for their Rights!

[Think. Again.]

45. There are a large number of Jewish students within the protests.

[SunSeeker]

107. Even if true, that doesn't make it ok to assault Jewish students who are not part of the protests.

This is assault.

https://youtube.com/shorts/lqhsIgpTCqA?si=PpYIqPyw4slueevY

[Cha]

111. I love that UCLA Student.. did he ever

get in with his "hands raised not hurting them"?

I bet his family is proud of him.. I am.

TY

[SunSeeker]

112. I don't know. I hope he did.

As a proud UCLA alum, it breaks my heart what is happening there.

[Cha]

113. I can imagine, SunSeeker.

Also TY for the report how the Police handled the arrests.

[SunSeeker]

115. Some asshole spray painted "FREE GAZA" on historic Royce Hall.

How the fuck is this helping Palestinians?

[Cha]

123. It's not it's Vandalism and Not helping

anyone. They need to be held responsible and Clean it up.

Free the Hostages!

[sheshe2]

198. They did that to a Library in NY as well.

A historic building that will cost 75K to clean up.

The library responded with a statement on Thursday night, saying it "strongly supports" the right to protest, but says it is facing steep budget cuts and the vandalism will be costly to repair.

"The New York Public Library is a public institution with a mission to provide free access to knowledge for all. We strongly support the right to protest. Unfortunately today, individuals involved in a protest vandalized the Library's flagship Stephen A. Schwarzman building, a space devoted to the open exchange of ideas and intellectual debate. This comes at a time when the city's libraries are facing steep budget cuts that have left us unable to maintain our current levels of service, and this vandalism will be costly to repair. We do not anticipate any unplanned closures due to this, and remain committed to providing the resources we know so many people rely on," the statement said.

https://abc7ny.com/nyc-public-library-pro-palestinian-protest-midtown-demonstration/14097280/

[PufPuf23]

152. It is a staged propaganda clip of a man aggressively confronting young women protestors.

There was no cause for the confrontation.

[SunSeeker]

157. There were 2 men and 3 women blocking his path to class. He was not "aggressive."

He did not shove or hit. Once they came in contact with his body, he stopped. It was the 5 protesters, particularly the tall guy who rushed up to block him, who got in his way with their bodies and physically stopped him from moving forward, i.e. assaulted him. I agree, however, that there was no cause for this confrontation. They should have just let him and his friends walk to class, as is his right. Assault is not speech. How does it help Palestinians to keep UCLA students from their path to class?

BTW, the protesters' encampment/blockade of campus is itself "staged propaganda," to use your words.

[Happy Hoosier]

61. What does inconveniencing people here have tondo with that?

None of the people these idiots are harassing are attacking Gaza.

[Think. Again.]

69. I try to simplify it for you...

...by protesting America's support of the attacks by Israel in gaza, and protesting the university's financial support of Israel in general, these protesters are hoping to influence those supporters of Israel to support a ceasefire.

[Happy Hoosier]

71. You're pretty condescending

Ya know what? Never mind. You aren’t interested in an actual discussion, just spouting your bullshit propaganda and defending these antisemitic assholes.

[Think. Again.]

73. Thanks for your input.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

81. Just keep moving

They’ll go back under their bridge eventually.

[Cha]

270. So True.. All of IT! TY!

[sheshe2]

68. What exactly do these students have to do with the conflict?

Think. Again. (8,255 posts)
36. In my opinion their inconvenience IS minimal...

...compared to the killing of thousands of innocent, non-hamas civilians and their children.

I assume many of these students are US citizens and live in the US. Please explain exactly what they personally have to do with the war. Is being Israeli the only connection, their guilt is because of their heritage?

[Think. Again.]

76. Not all of the students who are not participating...

...in the protests are Jewish, and unfortunately their connection to the "conflict" consists of the inconvenience of attending a school where a protest against the "conflict" is taking place.

[Demsrule86]

143. Pardon me if I am incorrect, but I don't see where that Jewish college student refused

entrance rushed over to GAZA recently and killed or hurt anyone. By what right do these demonstrators have to cause him 'minimal trouble'? He is being persecuted for his religion. I find that despicable. These so-called protestors are just plain wrong. And as I pointed out they won't help GAZA.

[Think. Again.]

146. He presented himself at a blocked off area...

...and demanded to pass thru. Anyone of any background who did that and was not participating in the protest was blocked.

If he only wanted to get somewhere, he should have chosen a path that would have got him there. I believe his intention was to challenge the right to protest.

The point of civil disobedience is to cause disruption to draw attention to a cause.

Let's try to be real with each other in our discussions.

[AloeVera]

199. He is a hasbara professional.

He knows what he is doing.

As I wrote on another post:

This student, Eli Tsives, a StandWithUs Leventhal Internship alum, is a well-known figure on the student encampment. Other students have claimed that he regularly antagonizes, insults and taunts the protesters for hours. There are three more videos of him I could find, one of him attempting to gain access at another location and pushing at the protesters, telling them "you can kiss your jobs goodbye, this is going to go viral on social media". Another one of him taunting a professor, wearing an IDF T-shirt and using the Israeli flag like a matador while mocking and laughing at her - in the middle of the encampment where no one is harassing or stopping him. The third one is a rather rousing speech at a counter-protest directly across from the encampment. He is being hailed as a hero and a star on social media.

In the video in the O/P, he later stated that he got to his class but he was made to take a different entrance!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

As I've said, there are provocateurs on both sides, trying to inflame and incite and use the protest for their own agendas.

This is not a demonstration of anti-semitism. This is a bad faith performance pushing a narrative.

Meanwhile, over in Gaza, the people are suffering through hell on earth and children and students are actually torn to bits and all their universities are demolished. They have no way of ever getting back there, no alternate entrances they can take, their education forever lost. While here in the West we are instead focusing on imagined "threats" to Jewish students on campus, while centering our outrage on their feelings and on the purported "anti-semitism" of the students and their cause.

The students see through our hyprocrisy to the real truth of the matter. This is why they are attacked and demonized.

[Think. Again.]

203. Thank you...

It was obvious he was just an antagonist but I didn't realize he was a paid provocateur.

[AloeVera]

206. Yeah..

Paid or not, he's a true believer and he does seem to have a knack for this line of work - incitement and promotion of false anti-semitism charges.

He knew there was another entrance. He was subject to the same treatment as any others but made it all about himself, for his own narrative. He is now a rock star in certain circles. What an insane world.

But now no one's talking about Smotrich and his push for the "total annihilation of Gaza" or the 37% of aid deliveries still being denied permission by Israel. Mission Accomplished

[PufPuf23]

266. Look at the site hosting the video. nt

[Think. Again.]

267. Oh boy, good catch!

I thought the Terms of Service restricted content from rightwing sources!

I guess it's only going to get worse from now until November.

[PufPuf23]

268. It is not the only instance. Have called out others. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

216. His tuition

Gives him the right to enter through the front door.

[Think. Again.]

221. His responsibilities as a student...

...demand he get to class, by whichever route is accessible.

[JustAnotherGen]

223. And the fastest route possible

I stacked classes Tuesdays and Thursdays. He might only have ten minutes to get to another building?

He is also engaging in his purpose.

Eh? I guess the others don't have finals this week. Must be getting a free ride - so no biggie if they fail. Mummy and Daddy will pay for another semester.

Rich kids go to University different than everyone else. Their parents pay for D's and F's.

[Think. Again.]

224. Yep, it's obvious from the video...

...that his purpose for being at the blockade was not to get to class, but to instigate a confrontation and have it filmed.

It's also obvious that the actual protesters were well aware of this and bored with his trouble-making antics.

[JustAnotherGen]

229. Civil Rights Violations

He was barred from entering a space in his college school building to attend class and/or study and the public spaces thereof.


These are going to be great cases for the ACLU!

I'm financial contributing member to both my Local NAACP and National . . . the NAACP in 1908 was established with the help of our Jewish American Brothers and Sisters who were also experiencing a hateful hate. I would not be opposed to the NAACP taking up their case.

It's basically separate but equal entrances - that's against the law.

I think this is going to spark the reenergization of the African American and Jewish American alliance at a time when it is desperately needed.

[Think. Again.]

230. No, he could have walked around to another door.

[JustAnotherGen]

231. Like my dad

Had to go to the back for restaurants in the 40's, 50's, and 60's?

I mean - it wasn't a big deal if he could still by from the negro window - right?

[Think. Again.]

232. No, that's a false equivalence...

The students were blocking everybody from their encampment.

[JustAnotherGen]

233. No its not

Its the exact same thing.

I've experienced blatant discrimination so I have empathy for the minority in America.

Its hard to see if you don't the intergenerational trauma of say -Black Americans, Jewish Americans, Indigenous Americans. . .

We ARE different than the "for now" dominant culture.

NIH - Good starting point to understand why some of us find what you are kind of saying is hunky dory a good thing - is traumatic.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8802140/

There are great resources to help you understand our deep empathy at the pain being inflicted on the observers.

I'm glad he stood up for himself - I wish we had video of when Rosa sat down.

[Think. Again.]

241. I am a member of a group of people...

...who have historically been discriminated against, beaten and killed, in every country for centuries, by christians and muslims, including by the nazis during the holocaust and on the streets of my home country, America, to this day.

I don't take it lightly when anyone tries to use the suffering of any minority at the hands of people who hate, to play the victim card in a situation of their own making as the yong man in that video very obviously is doing.

And I certainly don't respect false comparisons of such situations to the horrific treatment of actual victims of hate.

Have a good night.

[JustAnotherGen]

244. He wasn't playing the victim card

He was experiencing being black in AmeriKKKa during the Jim Crow Regime.

They are experimenting in the same way Trump did . . . if they get away with that - they will take it to the next level.

You don't have to respect how that looks to a woman who as a five year old in Alabama in 1978 - was denied service at a Dairy Queen views the treatment of people in masks seeing a star of David and deliberately and maliciously intimidate that young man. . . You have to accept it.

He has a right to record (1st Amendment) -and you have to accept that as well.

Good morning!

[NavyDem]

96. That's odd...

If the young lady seeking reproductive health care was that concerned about getting care, she would have found another entrance into planned parenthood.

Sounds ridiculous on its face.

[edisdead]

178. YOU really should think again.

[Think. Again.]

180. Why? Is there only one entrance to that classroom building?

[edisdead]

193. When everyone is telling you that you are wrong.

Either modify your thought or just keep being wrong. Up to you but you are completely wrong here.

[Think. Again.]

194. Except that everyone isn't telling me I'm wrong...

...and people are supporting my posts with recs.

[emulatorloo]

88. That's pretty appalling. At least they didn't try to hurt him.

[Cha]

271. Yeah, it's sickening.. I could

barely find your post with all the sub threads!

Mahalo!

[PufPuf23]

236. Young American Foundation is a right wing hate organization.

Look at the videos on the site. Scroll through the videos.

That is a staged confrontation to sow chaos.

About

Young America's Foundation is committed to ensuring that increasing numbers of young Americans understand and are inspired by the ideas of individual freedom, a strong national defense, free enterprise, and traditional values.

Young America's Foundation stepped forward to save President Reagan's Western White House, Rancho del Cielo, in the spring of 1998 to preserve it as a living monument to Ronald Reagan to pass on his ideas to future generations. President Reagan committed himself to reaching young people with his ideas—a goal that is also central to the Foundation's mission

https://www.youtube.com/@YAFTV

[Think. Again.]

269. You have a "receipt" from the ultra rightwing "Young America's Foundation"?.....

Here is the bio of the source of your "receipt" which is a youtube channel hosted by Young America's Foundation;

Young America's Foundation
@YAFTV‧1.64M subscribers‧3.6K videos

Young America's Foundation is committed to ensuring that increasing numbers of young Americans understand and are inspired by the ideas of individual freedom, a strong national defense, free enterprise, and traditional values.

Their tagline for the channel states: "The Conservative Movement Starts Here"

[ripcord]

2. That is odd because I heard it was a bag a cockroaches

Novel way to deal with hate though.

[TomDaisy]

6. what hate

[ripcord]

11. The UCLA protests have shown plenty of anti-semitism

[TomDaisy]

12. is my daughter an anti-Semite

[AZSkiffyGeek]

54. Did someone call her that?

[JohnSJ]

82. He started an OP, and then is projecting something that isn't in the responses to HIM, as somehow making slurs against

his daughter.

That is pretty unhinged in my view.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

84. Reminds me of the basket of deplorables comment

Somehow every Trump voter was convinced they were being called deplorable. I wonder why the self projection.

[Polybius]

253. Why is she protesting?

Far-left causes won't lead to anything. I dream of being in my early 20's again. The last thing I would be involved in is controversy. Enjoy life while you're young.

[Cha]

272. you keep bringing that up.. but no one has..

So why do you keep saying that?

[Lancero]

23. Not to mention general bigotry. Pretty sure this is the group that assaulted a Tongva woman for the 'crime' of...

Daring to speak to a fellow tribesman who was on their side. The protestors took offense since she was also Jewish and thus unwelcome on their side of the aisle.

And in case you're wondering what relevance her tribal status has, want to guess what tribal lands UCLA is built on? I'll give you a free hint, the answer is hilariously ironic.

[TomDaisy]

7. is your daughter on campus right now

[TomDaisy]

9. is my daughter an anti-semite for protesting genocide

[ripcord]

14. If she is part of a group blocking Jewish students

Then yes.

[TomDaisy]

15. she says you're lying

[ripcord]

17. Well hell that sure changes my mind

[TomDaisy]

18. she's there. you're not.

[Ace Rothstein]

53. There have been multiple videos posted here showing otherwise.

[Jedi Guy]

32. There's a video linked upthread showing protesters doing precisely that.

If you're asserting it was falsified, surely you have evidence to that effect?

[Cha]

46. Exactly.. REC.. TY.

[Cha]

273. lol

[Think. Again.]

16. No, she is not.

[wnylib]

37. She would accomplish more on behalf of Palestinians

if she protested the hoarding of food, water, and medicine by Hamas, the diverting of aid supplies to Hamas, and the attacks by Hamas on US attempts to deliver aid by sea.

[Think. Again.]

48. Protesting terrorist organizations isn't very effective...

...they don't listen well.

[wnylib]

59. It is very effective when it is widespread around the globe

to counter the terrorist organization's propaganda that shifts blame and responsibility onto others.

[Think. Again.]

67. Then maybe netanyahu should be alerted...

...to try protesting hamas instead of killing innocent, non-hamas, civilians.

[SunSeeker]

108. Maybe someone should alert Hamas to stop hiding behind women and children. nt

[Think. Again.]

117. hamas needs to be obliterated.

[SunSeeker]

119. Agreed. nt

[Demsrule86]

144. I am sure based on the signs I saw...some marching with her are antismitic.

I would not join a protest with signs like that.

[wnylib]

29. Yeah, I kinda like the idea. What a way to make protesters scatter.

[Bonx]

136. Weird, I heard it was a bag of sparrows

[TomDaisy]

4. eyewitness says there have been malicious, false reports of anti-Semitism

and it doesn't make anyone safer

[Scrivener7]

13. Sadly, no one will hear you here. DU has become ridiculous about this.

I hope your daughter stays safe.

[Think. Again.]

20. I hear you.

[wnylib]

49. Eye witness either missed the blocking of Jewish students on campus ir is lying.

[Cha]

274. no there's Lots of Anti Semiism going on at

these Protests. But of course there are those who deny it. Of course.

[LexVegas]

8. Pro-Hamas encampment. nt

[TomDaisy]

10. are you calling my daughter a terrorist

[calguy]

35. I haven't seen anyone calling your daughter anything

I think you're being way over-the-top with your accusations.
But that seems to be the case with these type of threads that many of us are tired of seeing posted day after day.
I don't know your daughter, but I wish her and you well.

[edisdead]

195. You are using your daughter as a ploy in this discussion

That is sad.

And pathetic.

[Cha]

276. Yes it is.. TY

[Cha]

275. Oh that card again. Unreal.

[Think. Again.]

19. Live mice? I wonder what they do to untrained puppies...

[TomDaisy]

21. extreme animal cruelty

[Think. Again.]

22. Yes, it is.

[Israeli]

125. Lets ignore what Hamas did to human beings on Oct 7th

.....ok .

Since you are more concerned with " animal cruelty " and your friend with " puppies " .

They shot the family pets before they murdered the families in most cases in front of the children .

 Do some research on your own .

I give you one example :

https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/b1kcbtqb6

[Cha]

277. Oh wow.. Thank You for that news

[sarisataka]

26. So does this show the antisemitism is justified

Or are all of the reports and videos showing antisemitic chants and actions falsified?

[LexVegas]

31. Live mice - true. Antisemitism- false. I was there, man. I was there. nt

[Jedi Guy]

40. Who are you going to believe, some internet rando's daughter or your lying eyes? N/T

[edisdead]

197. My sisters best friends sisters....

My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with the girl who saw the bag of rats….

[Think. Again.]

39. Here's one...

https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/1cetw4r/to_claim_to_the_cops_that_student_protestors_were/

Oh, but you've said you've seen this one already.

[wnylib]

55. Hmm. No audio, just a silent video with words added to it.

Looks like there's a credibility gap.

[Think. Again.]

62. There's a volume icon in the lower right corner.

[SunSeeker]

106. That doesn't show your mice. It does show a scared Jewish student surrounded by protesters.

And the video refers to her as a "Zionist." WTF

[Think. Again.]

116. I guess that's one interpretation of the video.

[SunSeeker]

118. I'm not interpreting anything. The video calls her a "Zionist"! WTF

She identifies herself as a "Jewish American" as she is calling for help on her phone.

[David__77]

131. That video is... something else

[Think. Again.]

134. Yep, the video of the young man is very similar...

...people putting themselves in situations to challenge the right of others to protest, filming it, and then crying victim.

[edisdead]

200. Their right to protest

Their right to protest includes the right to accost people? Regardless how they got there? I didn’t realize if you are protesting that it is ok to do that. Strange. I guess angry mob defense is a thing.

[Think. Again.]

204. You should watch the video...

...none of what you are claiming happens in it.

[Cha]

87. "Message From a Gazan to Campus Protesters: You're Hurting the Palestinian Cause"

By Hamza Howidy
Palestinian from Gaza City

Protests are spreading across the United States at college campuses, where university students are gathering in the name of Palestinian rights and occupying campus spaces with tents. Sadly, not everyone who purports to support Palestinians is truly interested in safeguarding our rights.

It pains me to say this as a Palestinian from Gaza. As my home is destroyed and too many killed, I never thought I would find myself criticizing those speaking up. And yet, I cannot be silent about what I am seeing. The truth is that the manner in which many gather to voice their support for Palestinians does more to hurt our cause than help it.

You know what would help the Palestinians in Gaza? Condemning Hamas' atrocities. Instead, the protesters routinely chant their desire to "Globalize the Intifada." Apparently they do not realize that the Intifadas were disastrous for both Palestinians and Israelis, just as October 7 has been devastating for the people of Gaza.

They should be speaking up for the innocent victims of Hamas—both Palestinian and Israeli. Instead, they endorse Hamas's ideology with posters announcing resistance "by any means necessary" and chants of "from the river to the sea," effectively glorifying the Al-Qassam brigades, Hamas' military wing, whose ideology is entirely based on the elimination of more than 6 million Israelis from the land

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218906153

[JustAnotherGen]

234. 12th Rec

And can I just say? Culture Vultures

resistance "by any means necessary"

Can't black folks in America have anything for ourselves?

[Cha]

237. Mahalo, Gen! 🕯️🕊️💙🇮🇱💙

[SunSeeker]

104. That is unbelievable, i.e., I don't believe that.

Everyone has a phone on campus. Post video of the mice incident, or it didn't happen.

[betsuni]

109. Agree. And a bag of mice? That's it?

Bag of crocodiles, bag of hungry wild dogs, bag of snakes, now that's scary.

[SunSeeker]

110. Right, I mean, a bag of glass, now that's scary!

?si=GeOrlYU7jqHVJS09

[debm55]

148. I heard it was a bad of stuffed teddy bears. Maybe I am wrong

[Celerity]

246. ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218910499#post245

[cab67]

127. I have a very hard time believing this.

This implies that college students - people generally not given to cruelty to animals - would deliberately be cruel to animals. It would also have generated a very real reaction from others in the crowd that wouldn't have ended well for the person who might have thrown the mice.

I'm not calling anyone a liar. Your eyewitness may have genuine reasons to believe what they reported. I would just ask whether the eyewitness misinterpreted or misunderstood what happened.

[BannonsLiver]

135. Sure they did

[Celerity]

245. it did per UCLA Chancellor Gene Block:

https://www.whec.com/national-world/nearly-2200-people-have-been-arrested-during-pro-palestinian-protests-on-us-college-campuses/

[Just_Vote_Dem]

247. And there's a video

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/1cg8g2y/israel_supporters_at_ucla_deploy_a_backpack_of/

[Celerity]

248. thanks

[Just_Vote_Dem]

249. You're welcome! n/t

[BannonsLiver]

250. Zero skin in the game.

[SunSeeker]

251. LOL No, your picture of the purported statement at the link is totally photoshopped.

https://www.whec.com/national-world/nearly-2200-people-have-been-arrested-during-pro-palestinian-protests-on-us-college-campuses/

Here's what I see on my phone when I click on the above link (the chancellor is quoted but nothing about mice, lol):

[sheshe2]

252. Oh snap!

[Celerity]

257. nope, no snap, see post 256

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218910499#post256

I have never once posted a snapshot of a news article that I personally covertly and/or disingenuously altered to say something it did not, to try and fob off fake news as legitimate via Photoshop or any other programme.

I certainly did not here as you will see via my evidence provided in post 256.

In fact, I have never personally used Photoshop once for any DU post of any type that I have posted here, ever.

[Celerity]

256. zero photoshop from my end, the site was been edited two hours ago, my post is a simple Gyazo snapshot, zero editing done

here is a snapshot from the present showing the article has been updated

I did not photoshop anything

here is the same story from another site that shows my original snapshot's text STILL up



https://www.wral.com/story/tension-grows-on-ucla-campus-as-police-order-dispersal-of-large-pro-palestinian-gathering/21410368/

your suggestion that I tried to fake a post using photoshop is bollocks, it is 100 per cent untrue

[SunSeeker]

258. Well SOMEONE made that up.

If that statement was indeed originally on the NEWS10 site, they had the good sense to delete it, because Chancellor Block obviously never said that.

If you want to know what Chancellor Block actually had to say about the encampment and attack by the counterprotesters, it's right here:

https://chancellor.ucla.edu/messages/our-community-is-in-deep-pain/

[Celerity]

260. Well, it was from AP (see below) and is on on another legit news site as well. The burden is on you to show your claim

of it being made up is true. AP seems to be standing behind it.


Also, no one photoshopped it, it was taked directly from that first news station's article, same as the second news station article I showed in post 256.

It was a straight up snaphot via Gyazo, zero digital altering involved, as I showed.

That 2nd article, from an entirely diffrent news station, has the EXACT same text as the first one I snapshotted.

I have never once, on DU or elsewhere, personally altered news articles via photoshop to say something they did not.

Here is the original AP source BTW, with the exact same text STILL up as well:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinian-campus-student-protests-war-ec3f62c51c08599f8fcecd99f7cf9e33

[SunSeeker]

261. If you want to die on this hill, go for it.

Chancellor Block issued a statement about why the encampment had to be disbanded, and it had nothing to do with mice.

https://chancellor.ucla.edu/messages/our-community-is-in-deep-pain/

If the AP hasn't corrected their story like News10 did, that's on them.

[Celerity]

262. There is no hill for me to die on. You made a false claim about photoshopping, plus the News10NBC article

was from AP.

News10NBC has now edited it again and yet the AP article and the other article I posted remains the same as my original text. News10 appears to be the one editing at will.

You have not shown that it was made up.

You already made once false claim (the photoshopping), so again the burden really is on you.

Beyond the mice Block absolutely did mention the violent attack by the anti-Palestinian mob (Block's own word), which was far more serious in terms of criminal acts.

From your preferred source of News10, their article currently does say this:

also, from you own link:

The worst violence came from the anti-Palestinian side.

As for the mice, it did happen, as shown in the video by another poster in this thread.

[SunSeeker]

265. I'm not the one lying. Your News10 pic is not what's on the News10 site. You now admit that.

If you now want to rely on an older, uncorrected AP article, party on, Celerity.

Chancellor Block issued an actual written statement and makes no mention of mice. It states the encampment was dismantled because protesters were blocking students from class and it become violent:

Several days of violent clashes between demonstrators and counter-demonstrators put too many Bruins in harm’s way and created an environment that was completely unsafe for learning. Demonstrators directly interfered with instruction by blocking students’ pathways to classrooms. Indirectly, violence related to the encampment led to the closure of academic buildings and the cancellation of classes. And frankly, hostilities were only continuing to escalate.

In the end, the encampment on Royce Quad was both unlawful and a breach of policy. It led to unsafe conditions on our campus and it damaged our ability to carry out our mission. It needed to come to an end.

Over the past several days, we communicated with and made a formal request to meet with demonstration leaders to discuss options for a peaceful and voluntary disbanding of the encampment. Unfortunately, that meeting did not lead to an agreement.

To preserve campus safety and the continuity of our mission, early this morning, we made the decision to direct UCPD and outside law enforcement officers to enter and clear the encampment. Officers followed a plan that had been carefully developed to protect the safety of protesters at the site. Those who remained encamped last night were given several warnings and were offered the opportunity to leave peacefully with their belongings before officers entered the area. Ultimately, about 300 protesters voluntarily left, while more than 200 resisted orders to disperse and were arrested.

https://chancellor.ucla.edu/messages/our-community-is-in-deep-pain/

[Celerity]

278. How dare you accuse me of lying! I fully documented what happened. YOU were the one who made

the false claim that I had photoshopped it.

There is no 'correction' that states anything about Block being quoted in error in that now edited article. You are just trying to plant that slant.

You owe me multiple apologies.

You are way out over your skis.

I will not tolerate being called a liar by anyone.

Take your personal attack down now.

[Bonx]

137. Might want to delete this

[SYFROYH]

151. Is this a symbolic thing? or just weird?

[obamanut2012]

160. If so, that is a crime in CA (animal cruelty)

[Deep State Witch]

161. Answer Me This

How do American college students wearing kaffiyehs and protesting at their colleges help the average Palestinian who is getting bombed and starved? I mean, I get it. I'm a GenX-er. Students my age were protesting for nuclear disarmament and against Apartheid in South Africa. I'm the "We Are The World" generation.

But who does all of this campus uproar benefit? They want to end their university's ties to Israel. Okay. Then what?

Frankly, if they are so concerned about genocide, they need to be collecting money to send to World Central Kitchen or other relief organizations. Or better yet, volunteering with them.

[Jedi Guy]

162. "...they need to be collecting money to send to World Central Kitchen or other relief organizations..."

Yes, but you see, that doesn't get them a bunch of likes and shares on TikTok. That doesn't get them attention. It's largely invisible work, it's not glamorous, it's not going to make the evening news or be shared a zillion times on social media. Therefore, it's not of interest to them.

When the smoothbrains barricaded themselves in Hamilton Hall at Columbia, the university should have simply cut wired internet access to the building and asked NYPD to position Wifi and cell jammers around the hall, and then set up a cordon around the building so media couldn't get close enough to talk to the protesters.

The "occupation" would have been over within hours and not one single cop would have had to enter the building.

[Deep State Witch]

166. Exactly This

It's all being driven by social media, especially TikTok. The Sudanese and Congolese that are starving need to make some videos and post them on TikTok. Maybe then they'll get some attention?

[Jedi Guy]

167. "The Sudanese and Congolese that are starving need to make some videos and post them on TikTok."

The only humanitarian supplies that really matter in 2024 are smartphones, it seems...

[edisdead]

202. It benefits the right

That’s why the right has infiltrated this group. I am absolutely amazed that people here do not see the obvious ratfucking occurring here.

[SunSeeker]

254. Some of us see it. Putin is flooding the internet with pro-Hamas propaganda to stir the pot.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218911260

And smoothbrains are just eating it up. Critical thinking is a dying art.

The only people these encampments help are Putin and Trump.

[Progressive dog]

176. How big a bag?

Were they attack mice? What would be the point?

[CincyDem]

177. They were extras from Ben...I recognized one from the movie poster.

I’m sure of it.

[TexasDem69]

208. Can someone explain the point of this story?

Even if true? Its a callous thing to do, and someone should protect the mice, but how is that an attack on someone? Were they rabid mice? Did they carry the plague (that rats?) or hantavirus?

[Mosby]

264. Maybe they were from a science lab where they were being experimented on

So they were liberated by the counter protestors.

[RandySF]

226. I hope the mice are ok.

[Bonx]

255. Gaza Ministry of Health reports 1,739 mice were killed

[SunSeeker]

259. LOL