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Nevilledog

(55,078 posts)
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:15 PM Nov 2023

How Gretchen Whitmer is quietly solving a big problem for Democrats

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/17/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-green-energy/

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Few Democrats would deny that the party must win back working people. Yet one of the party’s long-term conundrums is whether they can pursue ambitious efforts to combat climate change without threatening those very workers’ wages or jobs.

In coming days, Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is set to sign a package of bills that would transition the state to 100 percent clean electricity by 2040. The bills — which also include robust provisions for workers — are among the most ambitious efforts undertaken by any state to move toward a carbon-free future in a manner that is actively good for working people. Significantly, Democrats are testing this approach in a swing state in the heart of the industrial Midwest.

Passed through Michigan’s Democratic-controlled state legislature last month, the package would mandate the generation of electricity with 80 percent carbon-free sources by 2035 and 100 percent by 2040 — sources that can include wind, solar, nuclear and natural gas combined with carbon capture. While many states have such mandates, only a few require such a rapid transition; the New York Times reports that Michigan’s pace will rival that of California.

Crucially, the bills also require clean electricity jobs to match local prevailing wages and working conditions. The package creates a state office to help workers displaced by the energy transition move into new clean energy jobs.

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How Gretchen Whitmer is quietly solving a big problem for Democrats (Original Post) Nevilledog Nov 2023 OP
I have a feeling she just might our first female President calguy Nov 2023 #1
Hmm, wouldn't you just love to see Drumpf in a debate with her? CTyankee Nov 2023 #3
Yup- Whitmer 2028! Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #5
I kinda torn on her running for 2028 for selfish reasons. I would hate to lose her as my Governor. westen Nov 2023 #28
Isn't she on her second term? Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #29
She's term limited and is serving her last term Kaleva Nov 2023 #31
I've predicted that for a while now. llmart Nov 2023 #18
I'm becoming a big Gavin Newsome fan calguy Nov 2023 #27
My Governor is a Genius... MiHale Nov 2023 #2
Right on!! WestMichRad Nov 2023 #6
👍 MiHale Nov 2023 #8
Love it redqueen Nov 2023 #4
Love my Gov rogerballard Nov 2023 #7
Big oil and gas are going to throw tens if not hundreds of millions into a blitzkrieg of ads NoMoreRepugs Nov 2023 #9
Well, we ALL just have to push back. HARD. calimary Nov 2023 #11
K/R appalachiablue Nov 2023 #10
I hope she gets to be Senator Whitmer in the future. marble falls Nov 2023 #12
This is totally doable by 2040 SpankMe Nov 2023 #13
Question. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #25
Yep. I brain-farted that. You are correct SpankMe Nov 2023 #34
To think some stupid males tried to kidnap her and kill her Stargazer99 Nov 2023 #14
Reminds me of a point George Carlin once made. cab67 Nov 2023 #17
She's going to piss off the American oligarchs Farmer-Rick Nov 2023 #15
The best Farther Nov 2023 #16
Governor Whitman has embraced the only climate strategy that will work. NNadir Nov 2023 #19
How easy would it be... druidity33 Nov 2023 #23
All fuel rods eventually end up in dry storage, both in operating and decommissioned plants NNadir Nov 2023 #26
Copy that et tu Nov 2023 #20
Go, Big Gretch! ancianita Nov 2023 #21
Voting for her was one of the best votes I've ever cast. catbyte Nov 2023 #22
Yes, but hasn't that been one of the main problems? OldBaldy1701E Nov 2023 #24
China produces as much greenhouse gases as the rest of the industrialized nations combined Kaleva Nov 2023 #30
I luv my Guv. roamer65 Nov 2023 #32
Love my Governor DownriverDem Nov 2023 #33

westen

(25 posts)
28. I kinda torn on her running for 2028 for selfish reasons. I would hate to lose her as my Governor.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 07:33 PM
Nov 2023

llmart

(17,615 posts)
18. I've predicted that for a while now.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:11 PM
Nov 2023

I'd love to see two Dem women in the White House for a change. Gretchen is amazing and she really does get things done, as long as we now have a Dem majority in the State legislature.

calguy

(6,154 posts)
27. I'm becoming a big Gavin Newsome fan
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 07:08 PM
Nov 2023

But I'm also very impressed Gretchen. Too far out to know where we'll be in 2027, but it's good to know we gave a deep bench of well-qualified candidates to follow Joe's eight years.

MiHale

(13,032 posts)
2. My Governor is a Genius...
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:27 PM
Nov 2023

This is only to offset the “My Governor is an Idiot” signs still visible…disappearing but still around.

Big Gretch is awesome.

NoMoreRepugs

(12,075 posts)
9. Big oil and gas are going to throw tens if not hundreds of millions into a blitzkrieg of ads
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:04 PM
Nov 2023

and stories about how dangerous this is for America and its workers.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
11. Well, we ALL just have to push back. HARD.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:22 PM
Nov 2023

AGGRESSIVELY. And CONSTANTLY. And UNRELENTINGLY.

SpankMe

(3,719 posts)
13. This is totally doable by 2040
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:28 PM
Nov 2023

Since Michigan and auto manufacturing are a package deal, she can also use her state's powers to incentivize the big 3 (or whatever it is now) to transition to all electric vehicle lines. The transition from manufacturing EV's to ICE vehicles will assure a certain well paid job base indefinitely even though technology and efficiencies will result in fewer jobs once ICE production reaches a steady state.

She can facilitate charging stations statewide and make Michigan a showcase for EV's and lower carbon energy generation.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
25. Question.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 07:07 PM
Nov 2023

"The transition from manufacturing EV's to ICE vehicles..."

Did you mean to say "the transition from manufacturing ICE vehicles to EV's"? Just checking.

SpankMe

(3,719 posts)
34. Yep. I brain-farted that. You are correct
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 02:37 PM
Nov 2023

Also, I am alarmed to see that my post has been altered. Between that first paragraph and the second paragraph (the single sentence starting "She can facilitate...&quot there was a whole lot more. I know it was there because I used the preview function before I I hit "Post". This is very worrisome.

Stargazer99

(3,517 posts)
14. To think some stupid males tried to kidnap her and kill her
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:34 PM
Nov 2023

One of my sayings is if you want something done right give it to a woman or can the male ego handle that

cab67

(3,744 posts)
17. Reminds me of a point George Carlin once made.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 03:14 PM
Nov 2023

That if there's a God, he has to be a man. No woman would ever fuck things up they way they are.

Farmer-Rick

(12,664 posts)
15. She's going to piss off the American oligarchs
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:36 PM
Nov 2023

Not only is she promoting clean energy, she's promoting doing it with fair wages.

I hope she puts effort into that office to help workers displaced by the energy transition.

When the federal government did a similar office for all the jobs lost thru NAFTA, and all those other horrible free trade agreements, it was totally useless and probably led to the 2008 crash.

I tried to apply for Trade Adjustment Assistance when I lost my job, (remember the 99ers? I was one of them.) And the rudest most useless people were there to keep you away from applying for help. The money for that help was never used completely.

Farther

(156 posts)
16. The best
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:57 PM
Nov 2023

governor of my 70 year life in Michigan. Smart, visionary, honorable, and tough enough to stand down the knuckle draggers. Lucky Michigan!

NNadir

(38,037 posts)
19. Governor Whitman has embraced the only climate strategy that will work.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:25 PM
Nov 2023
Michigan governor calls for nuclear plant to reopen

As a member of our party, she has probably also embraced the popular but unworkable fossil fuel dependent junk misnamed as "renewable energy," specifically solar and wind, but given the hostility to reality expressed by antinukes, including the "I'm not an antinuke" antinukes we see here and elsewhere, this is brave and sensible, but also courageous, embracing nuclear energy. Her neighbor in Illinois should be so sensible.

If in time, she runs for President, and I am still alive to vote for her, she has my vote, if only for having a sense of reality, an open mind to face practical realities.

druidity33

(6,915 posts)
23. How easy would it be...
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:55 PM
Nov 2023

to recommission that plant? It sounds like the fuel rods have already been placed in a dry storage facility.



NNadir

(38,037 posts)
26. All fuel rods eventually end up in dry storage, both in operating and decommissioned plants
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 07:07 PM
Nov 2023

To me this means that they are available for future generations to use. Were it not for fear and ignorance, we would recognize these fuel rods for the valuable materials they are. Instead, they are called "nuclear waste," which has become a scare term evoking all kinds of absurd paranoia, whipped up by our "but her emails" media.

This fear and ignorance has an upside, however, in that the used fuel has not been treated for permanent disposal and thus the materials therein are available for recovery. Putting them in dumps would have created very long term difficulties in putting these materials to use.

Used nuclear fuel has, unlike fossil fuel waste, aka "air pollution" and "climate change," a spectacular record of not harming anyone and yet they are routinely described as "dangerous." One would think that dangerous materials would have some record of actually harming someone.

When I ask people complaining about the "danger" of so called "nuclear waste" to show that in the nearly 70 year history of commercial nuclear energy, used nuclear fuel has killed as many people as will die in the next six hours from air pollution, about 4500 people, I rarely get a serious answer; in fact, I never get a serious answer.

The question is not the status of the used fuel. The question is about the reactor itself. From what I've heard it's basically intact, and could be refueled with some basic maintenance, thus saving lives.

I applaud Governor Whitman's efforts to restart the plant. For sure, the world needs decisions like these.

et tu

(2,387 posts)
20. Copy that
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:28 PM
Nov 2023

the us needs many more affordable and user friendly charging stations all over [city, burbs, and rural] so that the fear of 'can we make it to where we are going' becomes outdated and unnecessary~

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catbyte

(39,151 posts)
22. Voting for her was one of the best votes I've ever cast.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:39 PM
Nov 2023

I'll hate to see her termed out in 2027, but we've got a very deep bench here in the Great Lakes State.

OldBaldy1701E

(11,142 posts)
24. Yes, but hasn't that been one of the main problems?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 07:06 PM
Nov 2023
The package creates a state office to help workers displaced by the energy transition move into new clean energy jobs.


But, they don't want to transition into other jobs, they want the jobs they spent decades learning and working in. Are we really expecting someone who (hypothetically) put in 28 years in an industry, learning and climbing the ladder to just let it all go and be placed back into the general pool with everyone else? Are we going to promise comparable wages and positions for those who lost such? Do we really think they are going to just agree with this? Or, am I missing something here?

Kaleva

(40,365 posts)
30. China produces as much greenhouse gases as the rest of the industrialized nations combined
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 08:19 PM
Nov 2023

As has been reported here before, some scientists believe we are close to or already past the point of no return

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