Rashida Tlaib speaking minutes ago

[RainWalker]

This is intense especially towards the end when she began breaking down and Ilhan Omar comforted her. This reminds me of some of the civil rights leaders we elected to Congress in the past. It very much had that sort of feel to it for me.

Link to tweet

[marble falls]

1. And at the same time: Santos, Gaetz, TFG, Speaker Johnson all get pats on the back.

[tritsofme]

2. She has slurred President Biden as a genocide supporter, and spread vicious lies about him

She should apologize.

[brush]

7. That was a strong video.Israel is over-retaliating. She should apologize to the president though.

[BannonsLiver]

12. Absolutely agree.

But to some here as long as Israel and you know who are the targets anything goes.

[Danmel]

17. You know who???

[Danmel]

42. Seriously, what do you mean by "you know who?"

[tritsofme]

44. I'm pretty sure we all know exactly who who is.

[Danmel]

57. Unbelievable

I might have to take a break from this place if that's considered acceptable. Been here almost 20 years. There's always been antisemitism, but it's gotten painful.

[BannonsLiver]

71. Maybe bone up on reading comprehension on the way out

Who do you think lives in Israel? If you guessed Jews you’d be correct. The fact that you magically came to the conclusion that a post defending Israel is antisemitic is baffling to me. Do better.

[Danmel]

72. Ok

It didn't sound like a post defending Israel. I apologize for misconstruing your intentions .
That said, your snarkiness regarding my reading compensation is duly noted.
Perhaps you can brush up on your manners.

[ramen]

14. An apology would be a reasonable move, but she is also right on the nose with what she says in this speech. nt

[dchill]

3. That says it for me.

Democrats, above all, should be able to see her points.

[jimfields33]

6. Bashing the president in such a cruel manner is unforgivable at least until she retracts

Her vicious attack on our president. If she refuses, I hope this passes. Don’t mess with president Biden!!!!!

[dchill]

19. Wrong is wrong.

[Happy Hoosier]

20. I'm glad things are so crystal clear for you.

IMHO, things are not so clear cur. Her outrage seems pretty one-sided to me.

[tritsofme]

8. Which point? That President Biden supports genocide?

[dchill]

23. Would you like to see me say something...

...that would get me banned? Is that a useful thing? I'm just saying that wrong is wrong.

[tritsofme]

34. If you truly think President Biden supports genocide, then own it.

Tlaib’s words are deplorable, but at least she owns it.

[malaise]

4. K & R

Thanks for this

[Marcus IM]

51. The collective punishment hits home for me. My beloved family lives in Cuba. Also being collectively punished.

But, what are Cubans being punished for?
Someone please tell me when Cuba (post 1960) hosted or supported terrorism?

Someone please tell me why my people, my dear friends, former lovers and family in Cuba, who have done NOTHING to the US deserve to be punished.

Sorry to go partly off topic, but it breaks my heart. All of it.

[malaise]

54. Their refusal to cower to the superpower?

This planet is seriously effed up.

[Marcus IM]

58. The rest of the planet agrees that the US is in violation at the UN. With Israel abstaining from the vote.

Some of the planet is effed up, but not all of it by far.

Thanks for responding.

Others here have essentially told me my family deserves it because Castro (out of office in 2008, dead since 2016) did this, Castro did that, etc etc. Most of it anti-Cuba know-nothing propaganda based.

[tritsofme]

63. Right right, Cuba has free and fair elections, and is a socialist paradise or whatever.

[Marcus IM]

67. Paradise?? How on earth do you conjure that as a response to my post?

I clearly lament the conditions in Cuba due to the collective punishment put upon Cuba by the US's extraterritorial sanctions, that the UN has voted to condemn for decades.

And your response is as if I was claiming Cuba is a paradise??

What an awful spin and unaware response to someone lamenting the conditions my friends and family who live in there.

Whatever. My prior comment set off the Cold War knee jerk, I see.

Others here have essentially told me my family deserves it because Castro (out of office in 2008, dead since 2016) did this, Castro did that, etc etc. Most of it anti-Cuba know-nothing propaganda based.

[malaise]

66. True re the recent vote

and most of the previous UN votes

[Marcus IM]

68. Not just the most recent, but, for decades the UN has condemned US sanctions - with Israel abstaining.

Israel has no position on US collective punishment of civilians. I wonder why?

[malaise]

70. Las are only for us shithoke countries

to keep us in our places.

[Donkees]

5. The six Republicans who bucked their party and voted to kill the measure were:

The six Republicans who bucked their party and voted to kill the measure were: Reps. Ken Buck (R-Colo.), John Duarte (R-Calif.), Mike Garcia (R-Calif.), Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and Ryan Zinke (R-Mont.).

“Censure is to punish corrupt deeds or egregious breaches of decorum. It should never be used to stifle political speech, no matter how offensive and outrageous. Voters alone are entitled to hold members accountable for their opinions, words and votes,” McClintock wrote on X.

The only Democrat to side with Republicans was Rep. Bradley Schneider (D-Ill.), who circulated a statement Tuesday condemning Tlaib’s recent use of the phrase “from the river to the sea.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4298092-these-lawmakers-bucked-their-party-on-advancing-the-tlaib-censure-resolution/

[lapfog_1]

52. "from the river to the sea" is a direct call to genocide and ethnic cleansing

and she should apologize for it.

Not to mention that Biden was right about the reported number of deaths.

[tritsofme]

64. The gaslighting on that phrase is just disgusting

[leftstreet]

9. DURec

[Autumn]

10. I admire her. Their fucking censure is less than snake shit on a sidewalk. Fuck them.

[tritsofme]

13. Do you also admire the slurs and lies about President Biden?

[Autumn]

18. I don't have to admire them. She spoke what she feels. I'm good with that. So is Biden

or I think he would have said something. You may consider them lies and smears but to her that is what she sees. This is a terrible thing that is happening. 1400 to over 10 thousand deaths seems a little lopsided and quite frankly overkill. I don't know what else one would call it and I'm not happy about what is going on. Israel needs to slow down and work something out without bombing civilians. Israel has every right to exist, so does Palestine.

[Happy Hoosier]

21. The goal is is to disable Hamas...

Not build some sort of weird death balance sheet.

When Hamas is gone, we can talk. Hamas going is not negotiable IMO.

[dchill]

29. You know what's not negotiable?

Dead children. IMO.

[Calculating]

56. Sometimes that's unavoidable in war

Hamas shouldn't have started a war.

[yagotme]

59. Are we counting ALL the dead children, or just some of them?

Just curious.

[dchill]

60. Are you being deliberately obtuse?

All dead children are equally dead.

[tritsofme]

65. Of course, the obvious difference is that Hamas attempts to maximize deaths of both Palestinian and Israeli children

While Israel tries to limit both.

[dchill]

69. I'm sure the difference is lost on the dead children...

...and their families. A moral line has been crossed, and I don't figure on how far past it either side has landed.

[yagotme]

73. No, just observant.

Seems like lately, the only dead children that matter are Palestinian. This whole thing kicked off because HAMAS KILLED CHILDREN!!! Now, since they've gotten what they asked for, (a war with Israel), the world is wringing their hands over Palestinian deaths. The world didn't seem to worried about Palestinian deaths due to Hamas prior to Oct 7, so I don't see why there is such a great uproar now. And, if you think I'm wrong, watch some video of people tearing down posters of kidnapped civilians being held by Hamas. Some of them are children.

[Autumn]

30. So how many out of the 10 thousand deaths have been Hamas terrorists ?

No one knows. They could all be dead already from the amount of bombs being dropped. How many have to die to wipe them out? One million? 20 million? The only way out of this is negotiation.

[Act_of_Reparation]

53. If Hamas was holed up in your neighborhood, would you still think is the way to go?

[Chuuku Davis]

41. My goodness

And bless your heart.

[Autumn]

47. Right back to you sweetie.

[Elessar Zappa]

11. Until she apologizes to Biden for calling him a supporter of genocide,

I don’t give a damn what she has to say. If she said that on this forum, she’d be rightly banned.

[madaboutharry]

15. The First Amendment protects political speech.

Her speech over the last month has contained many lies, misrepresentations, and slanders. She could make her arguments by stating facts rather than using inflammatory rhetoric and false information. The video she posted on X was just wrong. President Biden is not committing genocide. Her credibility and her power would be so better served if she were able to state her positions without lying or slandering the president.

That said, she has the right to say what she wants. Even if many find some of what she says hateful. This censure vote feels wrong.

BTW. I do believe she is antisemitic, no matter how much she denies it. I have the right to believe that.

[Cha]

24. Exactly.. why does she think she needs to

falsely accuse Pres Biden of "genocide" and spread Disinformation?

Why aren't the facts enough?

[madaboutharry]

28. I don't have an answer to your question.

One thing though, I read a bit about her. She comes from a huge family and has a huge extended family that lives in Palestine in the West Bank. I think she was raised on the rhetoric we hear from her.
She not only hates Israel, but no one can convince me she doesn't also hate Jews. Her gratuitous statements about "also hearing the cries of Israeli babies" is bullshit. Her favorite phrase "From the river to the sea" makes it clear that she doesn't care if all the Israeli babies are dead. Because that phrase calls for genocide, the genocide of Jews.

[Cha]

55. Rec TY

[Wingus Dingus]

16. Did she take back her ridiculous gaslighting about what "from the river to the sea" means?

[Cha]

22. I see why she's upset but that doesn't give

her the right to slur Pres Biden with false accusations and spread the disinformation.

What makes her think she can do that?

[tornado34jh]

25. Do you really believe that the GOP wasn't thinking about doing this for years?

Look, I understand how she feels about what is going on in Palestine. But do you honestly think that the GOP hasn't thought about this for years? I think they were planning to do this regardless of her views on Palestine. Whether it is AOC, Ilhan Omar, or Rashida Tlalib, they see them as people that defied they king/dictator. I do not agree with what she said about Joe Biden, but I get the point she is trying to make. Then again, to act like the GOP would not have tried this is being naive. They just needed a reason to do try it.

[yagotme]

32. Her "sea" statement and critical comments of Pres Biden

opened the door for this. Perhaps the Rethugs thought they could get a few more of us to come over to their side on the vote.

[tornado34jh]

45. Yes, her comments probably were not smart

But I will guarantee you that if the GOP gets power, she and anybody who is not part of their ideology (white, christian), will be just as susceptible to the same thing. We saw that in Iowa, so don't think it will not happen to others.

[question everything]

26. I thought that this resolution failed last week?

[totodeinhere]

27. Did she break down on October 7th when she heard the news

of the Hamas slaughter of innocent Israelis? What does she think about the barbarism displayed by Hamas including cutting courses up into little pieces. I am sorry about the deaths of both Israeli and Palestinian citizens. Is she sorry for the Israeli victims?

[EllieBC]

31. Civil rights leaders didn't attempt to gaslight people.

I’m not moved by the tears of someone attempting to gaslight me and other Jews about the meaning of, “from the river to the sea.”

Nor am I moved by the tears from someone who has accused President Biden of genocide.

[RainWalker]

36. I must be missing something

It wouldn't be the first time. What do you feel she was gaslighting about in her speech?

[EllieBC]

39. She has been trying to gaslight

Jews for weeks with her whole thing line that “from the river to the sea” is merely an inspirational quote (

Link to tweet

?s=20).

She knows exactly what is meant by it and insists on trying to gaslight people as to its meaning.

[RainWalker]

40. Oh ok thank you

Thank you

[greenman3610]

33. So elect Trump you dumbass

Fuck her and all the self righteous lefties that brought us here starting in the 2000 election, when, because Al Gore (Al freaking Gore!) didn’t meet the standards of perfection, so you threw the election to Dubya.
There’s a million Iraqis that would like a word with you, but they can’t speak cuz they’re fucking dead.
So spare me your God Damn indignation

[walkingman]

37. If the Arab community either doesn't show up to vote or votes for

Trump as a protest - they need to understand the consequences.

Be careful what you wish for - there will be no mercy from the Islamophobic GOP.

Wake up!

[betsuni]

62. Thank you.

[David__77]

35. This is a great speech.

[iemanja]

38. This has nothing to do with the election

What a canard. SMH.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

43. Boo hoo

She accuses President Biden of genocide while calling for genocide by defending the “from the river to the sea” chant.

[lapucelle]

46. Is she the one who claimed that "from the river to the sea" is aspirational rather than homicidal anti-Semitism?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

48. Yep n/t

[lapucelle]

49. This one? She appears to have two twitter accounts.

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

50. The one who never took down the tweet with the debunked claim about the attack on the hospital?

Link to tweet

[Willto]

61. Was She....

....crying over the guilt she felt for lying about Biden promoting genocide? Or was she perhaps choked up by her life long dream of envisioning "From the River to the Sea" eradicating all Jewish people in the middle east.

Who are we going to embrace next in the Democratic party under the umbrella of "Just exercising their right to free speech? Mel Gibson? David Duke?