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Festival Attendee Abducted and Paraded by Hamas Was Beheaded: Israeli Prez (Original Post) mzmolly Oct 2023 OP
I saw where this woman's mother had held out hope she was still alive, not long ago. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #1
Horrible TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #2
Exactly Calculating Oct 2023 #6
Apparently being a designated 'settler-colonizer' is enough to warrant a 'legitimate' death sentence. nt kelly1mm Oct 2023 #10
... lapucelle Oct 2023 #3
Damn Kaleva Oct 2023 #4
It Just Gets Worse Every Day DET Oct 2023 #5
The same thing as every other family that has lost someone Aussie105 Oct 2023 #7
This is ON GD HAMAS and those who Push Cha Oct 2023 #9
Thank you Cha JustAnotherGen Oct 2023 #12
And, the Tunnels are NOT for Palestinians they're For HAMAS.. Cha Oct 2023 #15
I understand the sentiment, Hieronymus Phact Oct 2023 #22
In that case why doesn't Hamas release the hostages and surrender the terrorists and kelly1mm Oct 2023 #11
Bingo! JustAnotherGen Oct 2023 #13
Yep TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #14
To counter the expressed desire for genocide, he could do worse. Igel Oct 2023 #17
I Don't Think So DET Oct 2023 #18
The US isn't calling for a ceasefire either. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2023 #20
What a clear example of blaming the victim. yardwork Oct 2023 #23
One member expressed relief. Igel Oct 2023 #16
GD Hamas & those who Push their Propaganda! Cha Oct 2023 #8
They are barbarians dlk Oct 2023 #19
This was on purpose and they wanted the IDF to find her. Xolodno Oct 2023 #21
And the global anti-Israel propaganda campaign launched in concert with Hamas's attack. yardwork Oct 2023 #24

Wingus Dingus

(9,173 posts)
1. I saw where this woman's mother had held out hope she was still alive, not long ago.
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 09:25 PM
Oct 2023

I'm sure her captors were delighted by that. Poor lady.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
2. Horrible
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 09:25 PM
Oct 2023

And yet a vocal minority here thinks Israel is to blame for what is happening. Every single death is The responsibility of Hamas.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
10. Apparently being a designated 'settler-colonizer' is enough to warrant a 'legitimate' death sentence. nt
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 10:09 PM
Oct 2023

DET

(2,270 posts)
5. It Just Gets Worse Every Day
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 09:52 PM
Oct 2023

I can’t imagine what that poor girls family is going through right now.

Aussie105

(7,317 posts)
7. The same thing as every other family that has lost someone
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 09:57 PM
Oct 2023

in this meat grinder.

But Bidi doesn't want a ceasefire.

He is full on biblical 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth' at the moment.

Someone smarter than me pointed out the outcome of that philosophy is a country full of blind toothless people.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
11. In that case why doesn't Hamas release the hostages and surrender the terrorists and
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 10:12 PM
Oct 2023

end the bloodshed?

JustAnotherGen

(37,291 posts)
13. Bingo!
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 10:14 PM
Oct 2023

This would end if they would just do those simple things.

But the loudest voices aren't pointing this out.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
14. Yep
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 10:15 PM
Oct 2023

Hamas can end all the bloodshed it started by releasing the hostages it took (a clear and obvious war crime) and turning over every terrorist and their leaders. But Hamas won’t do that. Hamas doesn’t care about the suffering and death in Gaza.

Igel

(37,161 posts)
17. To counter the expressed desire for genocide, he could do worse.
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 10:35 PM
Oct 2023

His colloquial, familiar name is "Bibi."

Uzi.

(Wait, that's not right. Meh, whatever.) < sarcasm >

DET

(2,270 posts)
18. I Don't Think So
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 11:02 PM
Oct 2023

No Gaza resident has been kidnapped, undoubtedly raped, perhaps tortured, paraded through town like a trophy, killed, and beheaded. That is deliberate, unspeakable cruelty that a family and a country will never be able to erase from their minds. Dead is dead, but the sheer horror of this unprovoked attack upon Israel is inexcusable. 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth' implies that the motive for Israel’s actions is revenge. It’s not. Israel is fighting for its continued existence against an enemy whose sole purpose is the eradication of Israel. There are no easy solutions here, and no happy endings.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
20. The US isn't calling for a ceasefire either.
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 11:51 PM
Oct 2023

It's just one more cluster fuck with no rational goal, only blind retribution and standing tall closing the barn door.

Igel

(37,161 posts)
16. One member expressed relief.
Mon Oct 30, 2023, 10:33 PM
Oct 2023

The worry is over, so her family's suffering is over. The prospect of her suffering is over. There's closure, in 21st-century-speak.

Whether that's relief or not depends on whether you want the pain of certainty and a final answer or the hope of uncertainty and the possibility of continued pain that has unclear extent.

I might not make the same decision, and the grandfather (I think it was) might make a different evaluation tomorrow. But with death, prayers can be said, shiva can be sat, and mourning can begin. There's certainty that *her* suffering is over, it is finished, whatever her family's. In that there is a certain comfort.

Blessed is the God of truth.

May her memory be for a blessing.

Xolodno

(7,207 posts)
21. This was on purpose and they wanted the IDF to find her.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 12:54 AM
Oct 2023

She was singled out specifically among the hostages. They may find more "singled" out.

Hamas wants to incite rage, they want the invasion as it gives them the chance to fight against the IDF directly and use every trap they have. And have the chance to inflict even more casualties. And with the dead civilians from the airstrikes, granted, they were being used as human shields, this drives their recruitment.

Add the increased settlements with the PA being powerless to stop it, this makes them look like the real alternative. Not to mention it rips a giant smelly fart in the small room of possible Saudi and Israel normalization, so everyone clears out. They probably think with this massive act of violence they can extract major concessions and wear down the will of Israeli's. However, I think they may have miscalculated this time.

They were also on to Bibi's game of making things just tolerable for everyone in Gaza. Bibi enabled them because he hated the idea of a Palestinian State with a passion that defied reason. And he got complacent, trying hard to become Putin-lite he missed everything due to his hubris.

Now Bibi has a huge problem, all his years in power will be permanently tarnished by this horrible tragedy. So now he has no choice but to slay the monster he kept fed because he hated an idea worse, who knows, perhaps he deluded himself into believing he could push all the Palestinians out one day. It's his only chance of salvaging what is left of his legacy.

Worst part, to kill this monster, he is going to have to be savage about it. It will and has turned a lot of world opinion against Israel when it used to have to only hear scorn from other Mid-East nations. Jordan and Egypt are now put into a horrible predicament, anti-semitism is on the rise around the world and violence against Palestinians as well. This isn't the day of seeing crap on the evening news, social media news travels fast and all over now.

He made a very bad calculation and a lot of innocents will die for it. In most wars, politicians send people to die for their failures.

yardwork

(68,385 posts)
24. And the global anti-Israel propaganda campaign launched in concert with Hamas's attack.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:34 AM
Oct 2023

It was clearly planned and orchestrated. We're seeing it here.

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