Might Exceeding 4K Be The Trigger Point?

[T_A]

CBS News reported this morning that there have been 3785 civilian deaths in Gaza in the last 12 days.

[Ocelot II]

1. Why that number? How many is too many?

[T_A]

10. I Dunno

Why that number?

Could the announcement be jarring to the wider world, and be a trigger point?

[RockRaven]

2. Trigger point of what?

[onenote]

52. Don't expect the OP to respond, but still wondering: Trigger point for what, by whom?

[617Blue]

3. Another gaslighting post.

What's the point?

[Bucky]

24. I see no gas lighting here

There's nothing anti-semitic about being horrified by the level of collateral fatalities being generated by this war.

[Cha]

36. Agree.. REC & TY!

[Cha]

45. I see it all over.

[Happy Hoosier]

4. Two points....

1) Who is reporting those numbers? Hamas? Forgive me if I don;t trust a fucking thing they say.

2) Of what? How many civilian deaths does Hamas have to be responsible for before you would say, "ENOUGH"

[T_A]

7. NOPE

Who is reporting those numbers? Hamas?

[Maru Kitteh]

13. "NOPE" is super cute but means nothing, like the word of Hamas.

You're the one who posted Hamas' numbers so it's on you to support Hamas by backing up their number with evidence from not-serial-lying barbaric terrorists.

[T_A]

17. FALSE

You're the one who posted Hamas' numbers

[Cha]

43. TRUE!

[Earl_from_PA]

30. Yep

The Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry said Thursday that 3,785 Palestinians have been killed and nearly 12,500 others have been wounded.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/live-updates-whats-happening-on-day-13-of-the-israel-hamas-war

[Cha]

37. Mahalo. Nobody trusts a Fucking Thing BUTCHERING HAMAS

says except those who do, of course.

[EX500rider]

5. You mean, Hamas says that's how many have died, we can trust them, right?

They certainly lied about the hospital casualties.
So we have no idea how many people have died in Gaza, they reported "1,000's of casualties at the hospital with over 500 dead and 100's trapped under the rubble"
All very big lies, what "rubble"?
Also I really don't see them being so efficient as to remove 500 bodies so fast even without a war going on and then cleaned up all the blood stains.

[T_A]

6. NOPE

You mean, Hamas says that's how many have died

[EX500rider]

9. That's exactly who the numbers are coming from

[T_A]

11. NOPE

That's exactly who the numbers are coming from

[EX500rider]

21. Well gosh with that rebuttal who wouldn't believe you

[T_A]

27. When You're False Accusation Is Wrong

You're wrong.

[EX500rider]

32. Actually you'd be the one who is wrong

The casualty figures come from the "Palestinian health ministry" and in Gaza that is run by Hamas, like everything else.

The Ministry of Health of the State of Palestine is a government agency in the State of Palestine. The ministry is controlled by the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank. After Hamas' takeover of Gaza in 2007, Hamas governments have appointed alternate health ministers for the Gaza Strip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Health,_Palestine#:~:text=The%20Health%20Minister%20of%20the,Dr.%20Mai%20al%2DKaila.

[tritsofme]

44. ***crickets***

[T_A]

46. Wrong AGAIN

The casualty figures come from the "Palestinian health ministry"

Except that's NOT where the number originated.

You just KEEP getting everything wrong. How embarrassing for you.

[EX500rider]

47. Yes how embarrassing that you seem to always come back with zero facts

[lapucelle]

53. It's a stylistically synthetic form of gish gallop.

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[sheshe2]

55. Did you mean 'your' not you're?

We have an edit button.

[Cha]

38. Exactly.

[DavidDvorkin]

8. The Hamas assault on Israel was the trigger point.

[Bucky]

25. Hamas started this war, no question, and started it with atrocitiy

But let's not pretend this happened in a vacuum

[DavidDvorkin]

35. Irrelevant to the current situation and the Hamas atrocities that triggered it.

[Bucky]

51. It's absolutely foolish to not look at the causes of a problem that keeps on recurring

But it seems like there's a problem in Israeli policy, where they keep repeating the same actions hoping for different results.

[T_A]

29. Which Has What To Do

with the price of eggs in Singapore?

[DavidDvorkin]

34. You asked about a possible trigger point

I pointed out that we have already experienced the trigger point.

[Torchlight]

12. Why that arbitrary number rather than another?

[T_A]

14. Merely

that it will be approaching, and the largesse of the civilian deaths may be jarring.

[Torchlight]

16. Much as many other numbers were also approached in the past days.

[Maru Kitteh]

18. Something smells like a bot from a Russian troll farm in here, but

then again, I haven't tended to the litter box yet today. Think I'll go do that.

[Torchlight]

20. Hadn't considered that.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[Cha]

40. Yeah.::(

[EX500rider]

33. And what % of the dead are Hamas terrorists as opposed to civilian's?

You don't know cause Hamas won't say

[LexVegas]

15. NOPE. nt

[Maru Kitteh]

19. LOL! nt

[ProfessorGAC]

26. Well Played!

Sauce for the goose.

[Cha]

41. REC

[lapfog_1]

22. there are something like 30,000 members of Hamas

would anyone really care if they all died? Nobody cared when we killed most of Al Quida and ISIS.

I care about the non Hamas supporting civilians that die.

But for the people that carried out the wholesale murder of unarmed civilians, including very small children and the elderly and people at a concert and dance party... and their supporters, I have no problem with them all being executed or arrested and spending their lives in prison.

I only wish there was a way to remove the 30,000 from the 2 million without bombing or invasion.

Open to ideas on how to do that.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

28. Gaza has a population of 2 million

Story after story about how miserable it is there and how impoverished the citizens are.

But Hamas has many thousands of well-equipped "militants" with modern army rifles. And they went and started a war with seemingly only a few days worth of fuel for their only power plant, no real plan for food and water. Do they care at all for the people of Gaza?

[Bucky]

23. I'm pretty sure there's not a ceiling here

Palestinian losses are always many times greater than israel's. No one cares, not the IDF, not Hamas, and certainly not Hamas's backers

[moonshinegnomie]

31. hamas is responsible for every one of those

hamas needs to be wiped out. and yes that means civillians are going to die. until the citizens of gaza rise up and throw hamas to the curb they are going to pay teh price. and there is nothing that will stop it.
they support a terrorist group. i can feel sympathy for the innocent kids getting killed but i cant garner much sympathy for the adults who willingly support a terrorist group.

[Act_of_Reparation]

39. Given what our government gets up to abroad, I wouldn't tug at that thread.

[Cha]

42. BUTCHERING HAMAS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR

These Deaths.

[T_A]

49. Hmmmmm

until the citizens of gaza rise up and throw hamas to the curb they are going to pay teh price.

Why? They didn't demand that Hamas attack Israel.

The American people didn't demand that the U.S. invade and occupy Iraq, but our leadership lied their way into attacking Iraq, resulting in over a million dead civilians over the long run.

Utilizing your standard, the Iraqi people have the right to come to this country and kill Americans.

they support a terrorist group.

As President Biden stated:

"We can't lose sight of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians had nothing to do with Hamas and the appalling attacks"

Not to mention about half of the citizens of Gaza are children.

[Polybius]

48. From the thread title, I thought this was gonna be about 4k TV's

I was about to say wtf, I'm getting an 8k TV next.

[edhopper]

54. To trigger what?

Hamas to attack innocent civilians, torture and kill infants, take hostages.

Oh wait, they didn't need to be triggered.

[Igel]

56. Trigger point for whom?

Non-Palestinian Arabs?

Non-Arabs?

Westerners?

Israelis?

Palestinians?

Hamas?

It's a tango. Hamas and Israel. If you think at 4k dead Israel should be forced to back down, look at the trigger--responsible for nearly 6k deaths: Hamas. Will Haniyeh, as he slurps down his Oysters Rockefeller in Qatar, think, "Gee, we're responsible for the deaths of nearly 6k humans"? Or will he immediately say, "I hope the filet arrives when I'm done, because I haven't had a good meal since that duck l'orange at noon and I'm famished. Pass the absolutely non-alcoholic champagne < wink, wink > if you would, dear?" As his supporters chant, "Blood and soil"--oops, sorry, "Blood and soul" wanting to kill Jews or have themselves--or their families--die as they try.