Israel-Hamas war live: Gazans say Israeli water supply move a 'distraction'

[WarGamer]

Palestinians say Israel’s announcement of renewing water supply to southern Gaza is a “publicity stunt” as many water pipes were damaged in the Israeli shelling. Also, without electricity, water pumps to fill the tanks are not working, they add.
An estimated one million Gazans have been displaced in the first seven days of conflict with Israel, according to the United Nations agency supporting Palestinian refugees, as aid groups said the situation in the besieged enclave is “catastrophic”.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/14/israel-hamas-war-live-us-moves-second-aircraft-carrier-to-mediterranean

And... this is something.

Palestinians in Gaza can go to ‘tent cities’ in the Sinai Desert Former Israeli minister

Former Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon has told Al Jazeera that people in Gaza should evacuate their residences and relocate to the Sinai Desert in Egypt, where temporary tent cities could be established for them, amid the ongoing fighting between Israel and Hamas.

The interview has been shared widely on social media, with Ayalon receiving widespread criticism for his comments, which many said were a call for “ethnic cleansing”.

“We told the Gazan people to clear the area temporarily, so we can go and take Hamas out, and then, of course, they can come back,” said Ayalon, speaking to Marc Lamont Hill on an episode of UpFront that aired on Friday.

[relayerbob]

1. More than a few

are not working because Hamas removed them to make rockets.

[WarGamer]

2. Fact.

[AloeVera]

3. What is not working, the water pumps?

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

4. The pipes

Hamas digs up water pipes to turn into rockets.

[AloeVera]

7. Gaza has had a water and sewage crisis for years

Their water has been undrinkable for years, polluted with salt water and nitrates from untreated sewage. Less than 4% of Gazans have access to clean drinking water. Most Gazans buy their drinking water from desalination plants at 6 times the normal cost. I imagine those plants are not operating now without electricit

About 1/3 of Gazans are not connected to the sewage system. The sewage infrastructure is in bad need of repairs and is failing for years. Needed materials have not gotten thru because of the blockade.

Soon the sole power plant will run out of fuel so there will be no desalination or water. Sewage services for 4000,000 people have already failed due to bombing and raw sewage is running out to the sea.

If you've seen pictures of the damage to buildings I dont know why it would be hard to believe what the Palestinians are saying.

[Arazi]

5. Yup. Hamas even made a propaganda film about it.

They’re actually pretty proud of doing it 😬

Link to tweet

?s=46

[Alexander Of Assyria]

9. Nonsense...Twitter is worse than useless.

[Mosby]

10. Do you think the Hamas video is CGI?

[AloeVera]

11. A few things with this narrative

This video was posted on IDF website in 2021. A few day ago it was resurrected by The Telegraph in the U.K. The right-wing rag Boris Johnson used to spread lies about the EU and Brexit.

So I ask myself what is the agenda here? It's a great way to deflect from the bad look of cutting off water, the water apartheid, dirty water and crumbling infrastructure due to the blockade.

Just get people to blame the whole complicated mess on Hamas using water pipes to make bombs. That's the ticket.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

12. The whole thing?

No. But regardless of when/who posted the video, it’s pretty obvious that Hamas has played a pretty big role in the crumbling infrastructure.

[AloeVera]

14. Interesting

It's not obvious to me. Care to elaborate?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

15. You don't see

That using pipes that should be used for water lines to build missile launchers as a problem? It is obvious, and if you can’t see it, not much I can do to help.

I’m wondering if you see the actions of Hamas in launching a deadly terrorist attack against Israel as being responsible for Israel’s current military action in Gaza…

[AloeVera]

16. I do see

That a propaganda film made by Hamas is being used by people who don't have any knowledge about the water and infrasctructure crisis in Gaza to lay the entire blame for it on Hamas. It's happening all over right-wing social media. It's very convenient for the pro-Israeli narrative.

I wish all those people would do some research and thinking before jumping to a far-fetched and untrue conclusion. There isvtons of info out there on how, why and who if you care to look.

The video is being used for propaganda purposes. Ironically not in the way intended.

I'm not sure why you ask me that but I will answer. Of course Israel is responding to the terror attacks. They have to rescue hostages too. It would be unconscionable to leave them. They have to eliminate Hamas.

The better questions would be do I think the response is proportionate? Will it lead to peace? Will both peoples be safer and freer? No, no and no. Does the suffering of Palestinians matter too? Are they being collectively punished? Yes.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

17. We'll

Agree to disagree then.

[AloeVera]

21. Ok. We will.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

18. You get it...doctoring videos wouldn't work if there wasn't willingness to swallow the bait whole.

Or pretend to swallow.

Hasn’t there been a massive display of this type of bent misinformation lately to give even the most bent pause?

[AloeVera]

22. The answer appears to be no.

Saw the same thing with the Iraq war. Weapons ofMass Destruction! Turned out the evidence was fabricated.

People believe what they want to on issues where their view is baked in by years of being exposed to only one narrative and its associated propaganda. Especially where primal emotions and tribalism are involved. Very hard to change any minds on this. Maybe a few.

We may be whistling in the wind but I say carry on. There is hope with the youth. I can't believe the truth I'm seeing on TicToc! Of all places.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

23. Tunnel vision...internet gave anyone the tools to dig their own tunnels.

[EndlessWire]

24. Proportionate?

This is the latest push back used to blame Israel for its determination to eliminate subhuman Hamas. Israel isn't trying to kill all Palestinians, just Hamas. Unfortunately, Hamas hides behind noncombatants, like, "Who, me? I didn't do it!"

"I wish all those people would do some research and thinking before jumping to a far-fetched and untrue conclusion." Please leave a link for this. Your own conclusion according to whatever source you are using might also be false. It isn't fair to conclude that everyone else's opinion according to what they saw with their own eyes is far-fetched or untrue. At this point, you don't know either.

Make no mistake, Hamas provoked a war with Israel. Israel has determined that Hamas must go in its entirety. What a rotten shame for everything, you know?

And, I disagree that the regular citizens of Gaza would not be better off without Hamas. Sure, Hamas could reconstitute--but not if regular citizens kept them out. And, not anytime soon.

Israel needs to give long and deep consideration for at least a two state conclusion to this war. Oh, that's not what Hamas wants--but the citizens just might. Both sides must be tired of this shit.

[AloeVera]

25. Yes disproportionate

I'm with you on the two-state solution though that won't happen with current leadership on BOTH sides. Both people need to give up something as realistically Israel will never agree to right of return and Palestine will want the settlers out.

The current war IS a rotten shame and it will be disproportionate. Many many more Palestinians will die than Israelis. They already have. It is a fact and raising disproportionality is a valid humanitarian and Geneva Conventions concern. As is bombing cities. We're throwing all that out. To me that's pretty damning evidence of Palestinian dehumanization.

I think a lot about what people there are going through. I remember the bombing of the refugee camps in Lebanon in 1982 and the outrage I felt. Similar to the outrage today against Hamas. A wrong is a wrong no matter the side. Except that a wrong against Israel always results in a disproportionate response and heavier loss of life.

That's what happens when the match is between a mighty military with the best weapons money can buy and a rag tag terrorist outfit that has to manufacture much of its own weaponry or smuggle it in. They dont have a Fortress of Zion or vast underground bunkers and hangars financed by the U.S. They can't defend their people from bombing with an Iron Dome.

As for provocation, the Palestinians may respond that they've had 75 years of it. On the daily. For Israel, this horrendous attack can't be borne and nobody can blame them for responding. But we can and should blame them for their treatment of the Palestinians all these years. I mean just look at how they are treated, the conditions they endure. A perfect breeding ground for terrorism.

I don't know the solution but I see no good come out of this rush to a war that ignores basic humanitarian concerns and creates more victims and likely more terrorists. There has to be a better way.

My comment you cited was discussing a comment that the crumbling infrastructure in Gaza was the fault of Hamas. This opinion seemed to be based solely on a video of Hamas using water pipes to make bombs. My point was that a propaganda video is not a good basis to form such a sweeping opinion. It was not demonstrated to me that the commenter was armed with any facts on this issue.

I get your underlying point about being respectful. My apologies to anyone offended.

I will gladly dig up my sources and send tomorrow for anyone interested.

[AloeVera]

13. Very convenient

This video was posted on IDF website in 2021. A few day ago it was resurrected by The Telegraph in the U.K. The right-wing rag Boris Johnson used to spread lies about the EU and Brexit.

So I ask myself what is the agenda here? It's a great way to deflect from the bad look of cutting off water, the water apartheid, dirty water and crumbling infrastructure due to the blockade.

Just get people to blame the whole complicated mess on Hamas using water pipes to make bombs. That's the ticket.

[enid602]

6. Trucks

Too bad Israel doesn’t have water trucks.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

8. Water on! No electricity for pumps..being buckets!...more cruelty and propaganda.

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Israeli Foreign Minister Demands … Another Exodus!??

Ironic,…and water on only to the southern part…leading to the desert..someone should make a movie!

[AloeVera]

19. But they'll let them back in like the last time!

Exodus II in reverse.

Tents in the Sinai desert.

2.4 million people.

Rafah crossing still closed. Egypt will not take them. Nor should they be forced by violence off their last bit of contiguous land. Again.

When they have finished levelling all of Gaza, they would be welcome to return. Like last time.

Not enough people see the cruel absurdity of the whole conflict.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

20. The Exodus,...first thing when I heard fleeing from terror into the desert toward the Red Sea...

The more things change the more they stay the same.