"Biden faces backlash from Dems over new border wall."

[sprinkleeninow]

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I read some regarding this, but haven't formed an opinion. Don't know how to feel about this decision.

On a cable show now. Sen. Michael Bennet on discussing.

EDITING!!:
All I'm saying is that this decision how it *sounds and translates* that could have a negative effect in securing his re-election. I trust him implicitly. That's what gives some trepidation. Sheesh...

[JohnSJ]

1. He tried to allocate the money that Congress had allocated for the wall, and it couldn't be done.

As I understand it because the money couldn’t be reallocated, and legislation was already passed for it, he is following that legislation.

Should he ignore the legislation passed, and does he have the authority to do that?

[sprinkleeninow]

3. I heard that I guess, but my poor noggin couldn't process it. TY.🫡

[Phoenix61]

2. It's not new. The funding was appropriated by

Congress when Trump was in office and the current Congress failed to claw it back. Biden not building the wall would be the same as Trump refusing to give Ukraine money Congress appropriated for them. Of course that doesn’t sound anywhere near as juicy as what the “liberal” media is pushing at the moment.

[MichMan]

13. How did it pass Congress in the first place?

[Phoenix61]

24. My guess would be as a rider to some legislation that had to be passed. nt

[mahina]

16. ⬆️⬆️⬆️

[GuppyGal]

4. Leave Biden the fuck alone and let him do what he needs to

[LenaBaby61]

5. REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[anciano]

6. The wall has been ineffective

because it does not cure the root cause of illegal immigration but only treats the symptom. The only way to effectively stop illegal immigration is to remove the incentives for coming to the US illegally in the first place and to stop letting illegal immigrants stay. Just saying....

[Sogo]

7. This was reported on the news out of Des Moines last night,

and thank goodness, they reported the entire story:

Biden tried to get the Rs to cancel the money that had been already appropriated for this project, but they would not. Therefore, by law, there was nothing Biden could do but spend the money in the way it had been appropriated.

It's not that complicated!

[former9thward]

11. It is pretty complicated.

Many Democratic members of Congress have challenged these assertations. They point out the Biden administration was not required to waive 27 federal laws to permit the wall being built. Yet they did. No one can point to anyone in Congress that was asked to cancel the money. Who? Why the Rs? There are Ds in charge in Congress.

[Sogo]

14. Appropriations are done in the House, and that is controlled by a majority R.

Biden was in the story last night saying he tried to get them to eliminate this wall construction but "they" (the Rs) would not, so he had to, by law, spend the money for the purpose it was appropriated. It was my impression that this was being discussed during the recent negotiations over preventing a government shutdown.

[Lancero]

18. Yeah, that's what everyone claiming "But Congress!" overlooks. We had Congress from 2020-2022.

Congressional inaction? If that excuse is legitimate, that's not the absolution of our party that the supporters of the Border Wall think it is.

We had control, why did we choose to do nothing?

[MichMan]

22. We had the House since 2019 when that wall funding was passed

Why was it ever passed in the first place?

[Lancero]

23. Appeasement? Let some crap slide through, because we're banking on remembering to undo it later?

[Sympthsical]

19. Reminds me a bit of Clinton and DOMA

Trying to have both ways. "I don't want to do this, but I have to. Even though it's terrible. But I have to."

And then goes and campaigns on it in the South during re-election.

Similarly, we're getting, "I have to build the border wall," even though it definitely doesn't have to be done in the way that it is. The waivers are a choice.

And during re-election, if immigration is still the political problem it is now, guess how that's going to get highlighted . . .

I don't have strong opinions about this, to be honest. But I really hate this whole, "It has to be built this way!" apologia. It's not fully on the level, and people well know that when they're repeating it.

(And I'm getting bored with, "Do your research!" when their own research is quoting randos on Twitter)

[Deminpenn]

25. The federal govt is never obligated to spend appropriated

money. If the money isn't spent it just sits whatever account it's in. However, agencies are loathe to send money back so they spend every last $ they've been appropriated (been there, done that). The theory is that if money isn't spent, that's a signal to Congress that the agency, etc, didn't really need the money and can be appropriated less next fiscal year.

[IA8IT]

8. What is our better plan than a wall

[Cha]

9. There's a lot of really good info on DU.. and some

Disinformation.. Bottom line Pres Biden has earned my trust..

And, enemies of Democracy will Lash on to anything to bring him down.

"Reversal" is absolutely false. Fact: Congress is forcing us to do this under a 2019 law.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18334433

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18332711

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-moves-forward-rgv-barrier-and-yuma-andrade-and-el-centro-calexico

........In addition, DHS authorized CBP to move forward with the Yuma Andrade and El Centro Calexico Fence Replacement Projects to mitigate immediate life, safety and operational risks to the local community, migrants, and Border Patrol agents in the area. Both projects will replace dilapidated segments of legacy fencing that presently create safety and security concerns for USBP agents, migrants, and the surrounding community. These replacement projects, similar to previously approved projects, prioritizes the completion of activities and projects needed to address life, safety and operational risks - including the safety and security of individuals, Border Patrol agents, migrants, and nearby communities.

Prior to the start of any work, DHS will work closely with stakeholders, including impacted landowners, tribal, state, and local elected officials, and federal agencies. DHS remains committed to the protection of the environment and will conduct environmental surveys, analyze the potential for environmental impacts from the implementation of the projects, and develop measures that avoid or minimize impacts to the greatest extent possible.

[gab13by13]

10. It's a fence.

[thinkingagain]

12. Ok since he has to build a wall because

The money has already been set aside for that, and he couldn’t get it changed.
Does it say what kind of wall he has to build? Can he for example, build a hedge?
it’s a wall… of sorts.
Also I know some groups are pissed off because it’s gonna mess with the ecosystem, their wildlife etc. if we could build a “natural wall” that might also help with that problem.

I really don’t know.
just throwing a thought out there.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

15. I asked a similar question

There has always been some forms of barrier- just not like TFG’s monstrosity. I haven’t seen anything that the 25 miles discussed here will be the same. Maybe they will, maybe it will be something different.

[dsp3000]

17. Honestly I don't give a crap

[Polybius]

21. I'm glad he's building it

Make it 3,000 miles and 100 foot high for all I care.

[JohnSJ]

26. If this affects his re-election negatively, and trump wins because of this, then that means there

are a lot of stupid people who don’t understand that if we lose the election, democracy is finished here.