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DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 02:09 PM Sep 2023

"Wearing neck ties can reduce brain function"... and we wonder why Congress is dysfunctional?

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20180709/Wearing-neck-ties-can-reduce-brain-function.aspx

Latest research has shown that wearing a neck tie isn’t such a good idea after all! Researchers have noted that constricting neckwear such as neckties can cause reduced blood flow to the brain and thus it can reduce the proper functioning of the brain.

The latest study results appear in the journal Neuroradiology. These type of clothing, write the researchers at the University Hospital Schleswig-Holstein in Germany, end up squeezing and constricting the arteries and veins of the neck. This causes reduced blood flow to the brain.

The team of scientists included 30 healthy male participants (average age around 24 years) in their study and scanned their brains. Half of the men were asked to wear open collared comfortable shirts while the other half was asked to wear Windsor-knotted ties which were tightened to cause slight discomfort. The group wearing neckties were scanned three times – once when they were wearing the neck tie loosely around their necks with an open collar, second time when they were wearing the ties tight to a slight discomfort with buttoned collar and third time when the ties and the collars are loosened again. The other group underwent three MRI scans but without a tie and an open collar.

Results of the brain scans or MRIs showed that those who wore the ties had a 7.5 percent less blood flow to their brains. Once the ties were loosened in these individuals, the third MRI showed that a 5.7 percent deficit in blood supply remained. Five of the 15 participants wearing the ties had a greater than 10 percent decrease in cerebral blood flow. Lack of adequate blood supply to vital areas of the brain can cause damage to the areas of the brain and also reduce the functional capacity of the brain as has been seen from earlier studies.



SOOOOOOOOO--

The Congressional dress codes which require ties for men may have actually been causing brain damage to the male members of Congress!

This explains a hell of a lot, doesn't it?!

Also demonstrates why any dress code requiring ties is a STUPID idea...

(Some of their IQs seem to have been low enough already, without causing further brain damage..)



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"Wearing neck ties can reduce brain function"... and we wonder why Congress is dysfunctional? (Original Post) DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 OP
Ha MutantAndProud Sep 2023 #1
Study leader Robin Luddecke and colleagues write that it is too early to draw definitive conclusions Celerity Sep 2023 #11
I am not a scientist, so I can draw my own conclusions DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #16
How were they dressed? stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #19
Who? Celerity Sep 2023 #22
"Study leader Robin Luddecke and colleagues" stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #24
Send them an email and ask. I doubt you will get a reply, but roll that dice. Celerity Sep 2023 #27
Kenny Rogers - The Gambler stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #28
I could care less about a tie. But slacks and dress shirt boston bean Sep 2023 #2
I've been saying that for years. bluescribbler Sep 2023 #3
Wouldn't it apply to all levels of government? MichMan Sep 2023 #4
Depends on how tight you tie it. Aristus Sep 2023 #5
Agreed ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #7
Same here I wear ties 4 days a week dsc Sep 2023 #8
IMHO, there are a lot of Republican politicians DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #21
No Problem At All ProfessorGAC Sep 2023 #35
In my experience, a necktie is a device EYESORE 9001 Sep 2023 #6
I hate lazy cliches..... brooklynite Sep 2023 #9
I'm sure. You hate pretty much everything. DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #10
I'm not a fan of orthodoxy, if that clarifies matters... brooklynite Sep 2023 #12
but I thought you were the foremost defender of 'orthodoxy' ! DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #13
If I disagree with the policy proposal of an idealist, I'll discuss my differences respectfully... brooklynite Sep 2023 #25
I never said that 'only stupid Republicans' wear ties.... DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #26
And "you hate pretty much everything" is also a tad extreme. DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #29
Something to consider: this is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not "Progressive" Underground brooklynite Sep 2023 #31
Are you saying that... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #32
When have I ever forced someone to agree with me? brooklynite Sep 2023 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #34
He is saying, or I am saying, that for the time being, the Democratic Party DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #37
yes, I understand all that completely.... and usually you are right, DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #36
No I don't recall saying that... brooklynite Sep 2023 #38
Yeah... ok... DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #39
And YES, I believe that it is only the Republicans DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #14
Thanks for posting this great laugh... Snooper9 Sep 2023 #15
Maybe... and maybe 'dress codes for the United States Senate' DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #30
Easter, Christmas, and Halloween. stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #17
I'd like to see a study... stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #18
"She's not a girl who misses much...." DemocraticPatriot Sep 2023 #20
Love that tune! stuck in the middle Sep 2023 #23

Celerity

(54,424 posts)
11. Study leader Robin Luddecke and colleagues write that it is too early to draw definitive conclusions
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 08:14 PM
Sep 2023
 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
16. I am not a scientist, so I can draw my own conclusions
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 11:48 PM
Sep 2023

much more quickly!!

However, I reached the conclusion that 'dress codes are stupid'
many, many years before I read any of these articles....

Dress DOES NOT 'make the man (or the woman!)'


To judge anyone by appearance is "shallow", yes??

(no matter if it is on the street, or within the United States Senate)


As far as 'dress showing respect for the office' and all that other BULLSHIT goes, I disagree.

The gentlemen who voted to pass the Fugitive Slave act into law, were very well dressed, by all accounts---
but IMHO, they had NO respect for their office, or our country, no matter HOW MUCH money they spent on their 'uniform'...

Even today, there are way too many seditionists, secessionists, traitors, and totally EVIL people,
who managed to get themselves elected to our government while wearing a suit and tie...

Their dress does not 'legitimize them'. John Fetterman is a better man in his underwear!
(and if he chooses to wear that on the Senate floor--- I will still be in his corner--- as long as he keeps a suitable distance from the 'concerned' woman from Maine...)

((although I would much prefer that he appear 'in drag'---
as a great big FUCK YOU to the rightwingers who are obviously in the midst
of a huge 'homosexual panic' !))


(I like you, so we must 'agree to disagree' on this issue... okokok ?? lol)



 
19. How were they dressed?
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 11:59 PM
Sep 2023
Study leader Robin Luddecke and colleagues write that it is too early to draw definitive conclusions

bluescribbler

(2,523 posts)
3. I've been saying that for years.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 02:34 PM
Sep 2023

For more formal occasions, I prefer to wear bolo ties, slightly loose. It is much more comfortable.

Aristus

(72,188 posts)
5. Depends on how tight you tie it.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 06:05 PM
Sep 2023


Sheesh!

I've worn a necktie to work every day for thirteen years. I think in my line of work, if I was exhibiting brain dysfunction, it would have shown by now.

I wear a properly-sized collar, and tie my tie neatly, but loosely. No problem. Every time I hear some guy say "I don't like ties, man; they choke me", I want to smack them upside the head and say "No! YOU are choking you! Loosen your tie!"

The same goes for all tailored clothing (which I love; I have the wardrobe of my dreams). Tailored clothing should be as comfortable as casual clothing. if it's not, it's poorly tailored.

ProfessorGAC

(76,713 posts)
7. Agreed
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 07:23 PM
Sep 2023

I wore a tie the first 20+ years of my career & never was it tight enough to prevent a finger between the collar & my neck, on both sides.
IOW, it wasn't actually touching the neck.
Who the heck wears a tie tight enough to reduce blood flow?
In fact, a properly fitted dress shirt doesn't come anywhere near the surface of the throat. Should be able to slide the index & middle finger, widthwise, over the collar behind the top button.
There's something off about this study.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
21. IMHO, there are a lot of Republican politicians
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 12:20 AM
Sep 2023

who are wearing their ties too tight....


(at least, that is a generous excuse I am affording them...)


But frankly, I don't give a FUCK about the ties specifically--- or this study

but the whole idea of a "dress code" for congress is FASCIST!

(DID THE NAZIs have a dress code?? YES, THEY DID!!!)
(( for Jews, it included a tattooed number in their flesh!))


We can do beter, This is the fucking 21st century...
what a person stands for is much more important than what they are wearing--

and what they are wearing should not be mandated by ANYONE else,
EVEN IF they happen to have been elected to the US Senate!

((Sorry, this is not directed at you personally,
it was just a convenient place to post my opinion, yet again.... be well!))



ProfessorGAC

(76,713 posts)
35. No Problem At All
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 06:45 AM
Sep 2023

We do, however, disagree that a dress code is fascist.
But, feel free to use a post of mine as a launch pad any time.

EYESORE 9001

(29,736 posts)
6. In my experience, a necktie is a device
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 06:50 PM
Sep 2023

to restrain the foreskin from riding up and covering the entire head.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
12. I'm not a fan of orthodoxy, if that clarifies matters...
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 08:40 PM
Sep 2023

Beyond that, I'm comfortable with my reputation.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
13. but I thought you were the foremost defender of 'orthodoxy' !
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 11:26 PM
Sep 2023

or I may confuse 'orthodoxy' with 'cynicism'...

Sorry if I have not understood you correctly....

I do recognize you as a 'realist'... and you have tempered some of my opinions....

but often it seems that you are too hard on the party idealists....?

(a 'wet blanket' so to speak--- it is well and good to temper wild optimism with reality,
but we should not discourage the young activists, perhaps,
because we need their energy desperately ??)

But of course, most of us on this site are NOT 'the young activists'---

web-boards are so 1990s.....


 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
25. If I disagree with the policy proposal of an idealist, I'll discuss my differences respectfully...
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 12:37 AM
Sep 2023

Where I diverge into snark (and yes, I'll admit I do) is when the assertion is fringe hyperbole (as in this case) or "we all agree..." claims.

I haven't worn ties in ten years. But "only stupid Republicans" wear them is silly.

And "you hate pretty much everything" is also a tad extreme.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
26. I never said that 'only stupid Republicans' wear ties....
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 12:39 AM
Sep 2023

but the evidence suggests that
'only stupid Republicans wear their ties way too tight'


 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
29. And "you hate pretty much everything" is also a tad extreme.
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 12:58 AM
Sep 2023

Some might call it 'snarky'....

Yeah, ok, that was an exaggeration....

but I have paid much attention to your posts, although rarely interacted with you directly. I admit that you often seem like a 'voice of reason' who says 'don't get too overconfident'---

Logically, you do often make a lot of sense, but just as often come off as
"a pushy New York 'know-it-all' " at the same time lol

(and YES, I accept that you do seem to know more than many of us--- I do not doubt the claims you have made about being a party insider)


Many here might view you as the guy who yells
"hey, you kids get off my lawn!!!" lol


"We All Agree that----" Hahahahahha, just kidding.


I am glad to hear that you don't wear ties anymore, neither do I.. except at funerals...
('Some studies claim' that it could be unhealthy!)


I'm an idealist at heart, but a realist in my head---
this can be depressing....

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
31. Something to consider: this is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not "Progressive" Underground
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 01:12 AM
Sep 2023

Beyond engaging discussions, MY goal here is to get as many Democrats elected as possible. That means supporting candidates who are most competitive in the districts that aren't "Safe Democratic", and encouraging people to think rationally about electoral data and candidate prospects to direct resources to where its most needed and most useful. That has a tendency to rub the "idealists" the wrong way (recall discussions about Beto O'Rourke vs Ted Cruz and Amy McGrath vs Mitch McConnell).

 
32. Are you saying that...
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 01:36 AM
Sep 2023

…we should just all find another political party to participate in if we don’t toe your party line?



Something to consider: this is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not "Progressive" Underground
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
33. When have I ever forced someone to agree with me?
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 01:39 AM
Sep 2023

I'm going to state my opinions -- especially on candidates and campaigns -- and you can listen or not. I'll suggest however that limiting your information input to voices that agree with you is a poor way to go through life.

Response to brooklynite (Reply #33)

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
37. He is saying, or I am saying, that for the time being, the Democratic Party
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 10:00 PM
Sep 2023

is our only hope as the bulwark against the fascism sponsored by the Republican-Qanon party....

We 'might' have to accept and support some Democratic candidates
who are not as progressive as we might wish---

but the MOST important thing is which party will control each each house of congress!

(that is why we have put up with Joe Manchin for so long..)

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
36. yes, I understand all that completely.... and usually you are right,
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 09:48 PM
Sep 2023

but you were wrong about the Boebert district in '22---

I recall you saying something like 'it would be a total waste of money to fight that fight'

You should have been right, but you were wrong.... ah well, 'nobody's perfect', right?

In that case, pragmatic politics was overcome by the total unfitness of the incumbent,
or something like that.... we could have won that seat last year, with a little more money... having only lost by 500 votes...
but that was a surprise.


I do also want to see as many Democrats elected as possible,
even if they may not be what might be described as 'perfect Democrats'...
After all, the most important thing is who controls the houses of congress, in the end,
as we can now plainly see...


Yes, Beto should have never made the gun remarks that he did, in Texas, even though he was morally right...
but there was no other 'big Democrat' in that state to compete in the races where he did, at the time...
He helped to build the party in Texas, at least...

and Joe Manchin has been the only Democrat who could have held the seat in West Virginia...
but that seat is now lost, IMHO, do you agree ?


My assessment of the next election is, we are likely to lose the Senate, short of an electoral miracle---
(just because of the map)
but just as likely to regain the House, making it 'a wash' except for any Supreme Court vacancies
if they should occur in the next term...

I have hopes that we can hold onto the White House, but expect it may be very close, as you think----

On the other hand, it may not be as close as you think, in the popular vote, at least...
That electoral college is the fly in the ointment...




 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
38. No I don't recall saying that...
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 11:08 PM
Sep 2023

....and I contributed to Frisch's campaign (and I've met with him to discuss 2024). What I DIDN'T do was throw in my support as soon as he announced as some did because, of course, "we hate Lauren Bobert". I waited until I could do data analysis on the likelihood of his being competitive.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
39. Yeah... ok...
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 11:44 PM
Sep 2023


All that I recall of your comments of that race, is that it would be 'smarter to spend our money somewhere else-- because he doesn't have a chance'

If you reconsidered it later on, you didn't say much to let the rest of us know about it... I certainly never saw you advocating support for that campaign last year....

As I said, "technically" you were correct--- , it was a very red district--

but the incumbent's "seat was up for grabs!"
LOL


Water under the bridge. Glad to hear you are supporting Frisch now.


Hey, what I said was, ' that was the only instance which I can now say that you were wrong'.. lol

Thanks for your discussion. Hell, I never thought that Bobe would end up in that much trouble, either... but I thought it was worth a little gamble... because, FFS, she is just so AWFUL...


 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
14. And YES, I believe that it is only the Republicans
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 11:30 PM
Sep 2023

who tie their neckties way too tight.....


but I have never believed in 'dress codes',
even though I am of the demographic who might have sworn by them many years ago..

 

Snooper9

(484 posts)
15. Thanks for posting this great laugh...
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 11:36 PM
Sep 2023

This may be the dumbest "study" EVER! They should have come to my dojo when I was 16...

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
30. Maybe... and maybe 'dress codes for the United States Senate'
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 01:04 AM
Sep 2023

are the dumbest THING ever!!!


 
17. Easter, Christmas, and Halloween.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 11:52 PM
Sep 2023

The trick is to use moderation and reserve it for special occasions.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
20. "She's not a girl who misses much...."
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 12:11 AM
Sep 2023



I would welcome the effects, if they only point the instrument at themselves
before pulling the trigger.... and that without too much delay


"Bang bang, shoot shoot"


 
23. Love that tune!
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 12:23 AM
Sep 2023
GRUPO NICHE MI MACHETE



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