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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Mon Sep 18, 2023, 04:15 PM Sep 2023

Florida man shoots and kills neighbor trimming trees along property border:

https://www.rawstory.com/edward-druzolowski/

Florida man shoots and kills neighbor trimming trees along property border:

A 78-year old Florida man has been charged with murder after he allegedly shot and killed a neighbor who was trimming trees along their property line, police said.

Brian Ford, 42, was trimming trees along a fence in DeLeon Springs, 45 miles north of Orlando, shortly after 7 p.m. Sunday when his neighbor, Edward Druzolowski, "confronted him about being on his property," police said.

Speaking to police, Druzolowski said that, "He threatened to shoot Ford and, when Ford didn't leave, he shot him."
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Baitball Blogger

(51,234 posts)
3. This thing over property lines has been building for several decades.
Mon Sep 18, 2023, 04:54 PM
Sep 2023

If there is one malignant belief in backwater suburban florida it is that if anyone maintains property, it suddenly becomes their property, regardless of the deed.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
4. Reading reddit...people get angry over people stepping on "their" grass
Mon Sep 18, 2023, 04:57 PM
Sep 2023

Putting one.foot over line

Baitball Blogger

(51,234 posts)
11. I know. I could write stories about this crazy belief.
Mon Sep 18, 2023, 06:00 PM
Sep 2023

I saw it for the first time in the nineties when this community went insane over the fate of a failed P.U.D. It is a very detailed history, but it came down to one major landholder trying to develop his private property. Small groups of connected people met in public and private meetings to discuss ways to stop him. Some thought they were fighting to protect the PUD, and others were more interested in how they could personally benefit from the inevitable event that it would be dismantled. I researched that time period through public records. We lived here while it was happening, but were not part of the connected group until everything was set in motion. It was an eye opener.

At some point, they were trying to figure out how to get around land development laws in order to dismantle the P.U.D. The most corrupt local lawyer even spread a faulty legal opinion to persuade the community, using the master hoa's monthly magazine. And it is my belief that the good ole boys in my community applied what he was telling them to try to dismantle the common grounds in our private HOA property.

And here is the thing about allowing community leaders and elected officials to meet in private meetings. Things are said that are simply not legal or sound. But the most greediest and ambitious in a community will use that information like it's gospel. There was a group of them in my HOA, and I believe they applied the faulty legal interpretations in an attempt to take over our HOAs common grounds. We didn't even know what hit us, but I was part of a small group of people that slowed them down, just long enough to understand what was going on. I believe we would have had 100% success if it weren't for a couple of local lawyers who interfered when they had conflicts of interest. It always felt like we couldn't find firm ground to stand on, because, without proper legal advice, it's a lot like trying to walk through a slippery mud pit.

What an alarming period. My neighbor was the president of our HOA, and our community also had a well-connected good ole boy down the street who had better political access. Information he brought into the community, affected the president's judgment. The first tip-off that something was very wrong came from the behavior of president's wife. She would go into conniptions whenever my husband mowed even a foot over an invisible property line. This went on for several stressful years. The best we could do was leave a mohawk of grass between the properties. She was so rattled by it, that she once pointed at me and told her workers, "There's bad blood between us." Fuck, what? How did I get caught in this deplorable country song?

For the most part, I avoided her, which is my go-to strategy for anyone that I feel might be tempted to think that Manifest Destiny is an acceptable white privilege they can use to take over common ground or someone else's private property. You would be surprised how many people will throw out restrain and good judgment when they're taking part in a bickering basket.

Those were stressful years. Nerve-wracking, and completely drained me of any trust I had in people. But it helped me to see how, in a white suburban community in Florida, the seeds for self-destruction are already planted and ready to burst out of the ground.

Baitball Blogger

(51,234 posts)
16. Planned Unit Development
Tue Sep 19, 2023, 12:50 AM
Sep 2023

The Planned community was laid out as a conceptual plan and included everything from horse stables, school, grocery store, condominium, marina, golf course and several private communities. It was huge. Quick history: the City annexed the PUD and the developer went bankrupt years later. Lots of the conceptualized property inside of the PUD was zoned for condominiums and that created anxiety within the City. I don't think people were thinking with clear heads, and it didn't help that among the lawyers who influenced the area at this time, were property rightest. Not big on government regulation. Not that it would matter anyway, because the City did not have a strong record of following strict land regulations -- my opinion. It seemed that staff would work with developers and hash out a development agreement that was then presented to Commissioners for approval. Without duly noticed meetings for land development changes, by the time people caught on to what was happening, the development planning was already at an advance stage.

So, when the big fight occurred with the large land owner within the PUD, people would hear all kinds of legal interpretations from within the populace that was questionable. I imagine it would have been hard for the City to establish order when they didn't have a strong record of following standard rules.

While this chaotic period continued, it appears to me that the cronies in my community tried to apply those loose legal interpretations to our private HOAs. It resulted in backwater leadership, where the rules changed depending on the desired result.

Regardless of what was going on between the City and the large land owner who wanted to develop his private property, the City should have respected our HOA documents separately and followed due process when it came to the development of property within our HOA boundaries. Instead what they did was sit on their hands and allowed the cronies to weave a story and direct the changes that they favored for our community. One major reason for this lack of oversight from the City, would have been due to the City's need to cultivate the cronies to support the City's agenda.

I can't believe that people believe it's alright to build a community in this abusive manner, but it's the Florida Way.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
8. 30 year age difference..will claim fear when younger man approached him with fists balled up
Mon Sep 18, 2023, 05:12 PM
Sep 2023

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

doc03

(38,552 posts)
10. The old guy in my neighborhood put American flags every 6 feet
Mon Sep 18, 2023, 05:15 PM
Sep 2023

around his property. He wouldn't shoot anyone though, I doubt he owned a gun. This ain't Florida, people in Ohio not as crazy yet.

onethatcares

(16,925 posts)
13. Kenneth Blackwell
Mon Sep 18, 2023, 06:21 PM
Sep 2023

although I don't know if he owned/owns a gun he would be like a contradiction of that statement.

Also, there be a lot of Ohioans that come to Floriduh every year, I don't think they poll them on crazy at the border.

JI7

(92,848 posts)
18. List of things to do before dying
Tue Sep 19, 2023, 01:00 AM
Sep 2023

Whenever I see these stories with older people shooting others when there obviously wasn't any threat I see it as them trying to use any chance to shoot someone.

They don't want to go through life never being able to use their gun .

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