about those- babies "aborted" at birth.

[mopinko]

here’s nbc’s belated fact check. i’ve said this multiple times, cuz it’s something i know about. but they rarely give any deets, so one knows that.
but they spell it out in this fact check-

Asked about abortion, Trump claimed that Democrats support infanticide.

“The radical people on this are really the Democrats that say after five months, six months, seven months, eight months, nine months, and even after birth, you are allowed to terminate the baby,” he said. “You have a Virginia governor, previous governor, who said after the baby is born, you will make a determination, and if you want, you will kill that baby.”

While some Democrats support broad access to abortion regardless of gestation age, infanticide is illegal, and no Democrats advocate for it. Just 1% of abortions are performed after 21 weeks of gestation, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Trump first made the claim in 2019, after Virginia’s governor at the time, Ralph Northam, made controversial remarks in discussing an abortion bill. NBC News debunked the claim then, reporting that Northam’s remarks were about resuscitating infants with severe deformities or nonviable pregnancies.

Asked on a radio program what happens when a woman who is going into labor desires a third-trimester abortion, Northam noted that such procedures occur only in cases of severe deformities or nonviable pregnancies. He said that in those scenarios, “the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

this is called neonatal hospice. see, that’s what they mean. families w wanted but doomed babies,
who hold them as they die, r being turned into political footballs. for these monsters.
they arent making shit up out of whole cloth. they’re twisting 1 of the saddest things ever into fodder for politics.
i know this cuz i know ppl who went through it. trust me, they didnt go out for drinks after.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-the-press/fact-checking-trump-meet-press-interview-rcna105297

[brewens]

1. I don't think it's about neonatal hospice at all. Trump and others pushing this probably aren't even

aware of that.

Post birth abortion is just replacing partial birth abortion, which wasn't going on either. Maybe in rare cases where it couldn't be avoided, but no women were just deciding they didn't want the baby and having it aborted that way.

They can't just start back up with the idiotic, incessant harping about partial birth abortion. That wouldn't work again.

[mopinko]

3. well, i'm old enough to remember when st ronnie started this bullshit.

they passed laws about how these babies were to b handled. it wasnt unusual back then for them to just b left to die, w zero palliative care. the law made it a crime to do anything to hasten their deaths, and required they get some kind of care.

this is the kernel of “truth” in their statements. however comfortable they r lying about anything, they like to have 1 little thing to point to.
and that’s what this is.

[Freddie]

2. Facts? Who cares about facts?

They believe the “up until birth” crap no matter what. It’s what they’ve been told to believe. Even worse they think that women nearly dying from the new laws is “fake news”. I do believe we outnumber them though.

[mopinko]

6. i think it's important for US to know the truth.

and this is the truth. there’s no tragedy they wont exploit.

[Bettie]

4. I too, know people who have gone through this

once you have a pregnancy loss, you meet all sorts of people who do and you realize how common it really is.

I know people who have terminated pregnancies because of terrible diagnoses and people who have carried doomed pregnancies to term. They all felt the pain of losing a wanted child.

And these right wing douchebags think it is OK to turn tragedies into political fodder.

I am so f-ing tired of these...people. (There are many other profane words I could use, but I'm trying to swear less, which is hard these days)

ETA: Another thing about carrying a pregnancy that you know isn't going to end happily: it is agony to the expectant mother, even having made the decision to continue. Everyone comments, ask when they are due, and there is a decision to be made any time: stock answer about due date or the truth...and sometimes it ends with having a breakdown in front of a total stranger because it is just too much to bear. At least one of my parenting after loss friends has had that happen.

[mopinko]

15. and then afterward

when u arent pg any more but there’s no baby.

it just bugs me no end that there is a kernel of truth here that they wont let go of, even when they know the truth. i think it matters that this isnt a lie out of whole cloth, but a perversion of something so emotional, passing it off as something done casually, for nothing.
makes me puke to see a raygun era zombie lie still flailing around, killing women.

[Bettie]

18. Yes. To all of this

that's all.

For later pregnancy, it's often a tragic reason. The vast majority of abortions take place early, before anyone else knows.

[Alice Kramden]

5. They ARE monsters

And I believe you are correct about the neonatal hospice scenario

[mopinko]

17. they've been shopping this lie since st ronnie.

[Johonny]

7. GOP can only solve imaginary problems

Shit that isn't real, doesn't happen, and has no importance to society. Actual problems, they're the cause of them so they sure as heck can't fix them.

[Attilatheblond]

11. Wow, that says it all succinctly.

GOP can only solve imaginary problems.
Real problems they ignore.

Would make great billboards and bumper-stickers

[housecat]

12. Good point!

[Marthe48]

8. In 1944 my Mom's 1st pregnancy was twin boys

They were born 2 months early. Bobby lived. Richard lived 9 miserable hours, because his lungs weren't developed. They didn't have the technology to save him. My Mom never forgot Richard. In 1958, my Mom and my Gram took all of us kids (by that time 5) to visit relatives out West. While we were there, my Mom made arrangements to have my brother's remain transferred to a cemetery in Cleveland, so he would be with his family. She also got his little graver marker and brought it home, even though there was a family marker with his name on it. I have the marker behind some shrubs in my yard, a quiet reminder of all of the sorrow of losing a wanted baby.

[mopinko]

16. ya never rly get over it.

i lost a much wanted pregnancy, early. then got pg w twins and lost 1 early on.
no remains either time, nothing to mourn over.
stuffed it down for a long time, every now and then it pops up, esp when i look at my son.

that hole in the heart never rly heals.

[keithbvadu2]

9. Republicans are in favor of killing living babies and have done so.

Republicans are in favor of killing living babies and have done so.

Pro-life to conservatives/republicans is a myth.

The supposed pro-lifers cared naught when the state of Texas (republican gov, republican Prez) deliberately killed living baby Sun Hudson against the mother's wishes because he was an inconvenience to the state.

It is not a matter of life to the supposed pro-lifers.

It is a matter of control.

[Lonestarblue]

10. I am tired of Republicans demonizing women.

I was outraged a few weeks ago by a comment on an NYT article by a male claiming that most abortions were because of “sport sex” and that women needed to be more responsible about using birth control. Only women needed to be responsible! The NYT probably isn’t read by a lot of MAGAs, so this misogyny is far more common that we think. Republicans just plain hate that women have any rights at all to control their own lives.

[area51]

14. +1 n/t

[Sedona]

13. K&R

[LetMyPeopleVote]

19. This weekend, Donald Trump told a lie about "after-birth abortions".

Link to tweet

[mopinko]

20. we all know it's a lie. but i think it's important to know the truth of what they r talking about.

i was a hospice volunteer for 5 yrs. some ppl think we killed our patients. or wanted to. or intended to.
for hospice to b twisted into murder is about the biggest lie i can imagine.

[wnylib]

21. Hospice was a blessing when my mother was dying.

I was able to visit with her when we first learned that she had only a couple weeks left due to acute kidney failure, She was in Florida, and my brother who lived there was looking after her interests. Initially, she opted for dialysis, but since she was 90 and a previous cancer had returned, she chose to stop the dialysis and go into hospice care.

Meantime, I had to return to NY. Besides daily phone calls with my brother, I called the hospice facility daily where my mother was. They kept me updated on her and advised me on what to expect as her condition deteriorated. When she was too weak to hold a phone, the hospice worker assisted her so we could talk.

My final call to her was just hours before she died. The hospice worker told me that my mother would not be able to talk, but that she would be able to hear me. Mom tried to respond to me but all that came out were grunts. I began crying but kept trying to hold it back because I did not want mom to hear it. All I could say was that I loved her. At the end of the call, the hospice worker came back on to assure me that my mother had heard.

What a tremendous service they were to my mother and the family.

[mopinko]

22. it's so misunderstood.

like the part where it’s not about dying but about living until that happens.
living in the moment.

[wnylib]

23. I will never forget the quality of life that

hospice helped my mother and the family continue with right up to the end.

[mopinko]

24. it was an amazing experience.

i feel like i’ll meet my end w a lot less fear after what i saw.
so many ppl fool themselves about this.

[BobTheSubgenius]

25. It might help some people to understand if the situation was likened to a DNR order.

Much like people do for elderly relatives who lack the capacity for crucial decisions.