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RandySF

(78,114 posts)
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 11:29 AM Sep 2023

NEW YORK. Indicted freshman Congressman George Santos (R) appears to be negotiating a plea deal


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NEW YORK. Indicted freshman Congressman George Santos (R) appears to be negotiating a plea deal with federal prosecutors. That means a likely special congressional election by Spring 2024...



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NEW YORK. Indicted freshman Congressman George Santos (R) appears to be negotiating a plea deal (Original Post) RandySF Sep 2023 OP
YES! Blue Owl Sep 2023 #1
If the deal includes him not running again that would be important. LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #2
Not bloody likely..... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #4
Well why the mention of a special election next year? brush Sep 2023 #9
Probably the reporter speculating.... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #12
I's not unreasonable to expect vacating the seat is part of plea deal discussions. brush Sep 2023 #16
I doubt the doj wants him to announce the doj forced him to vacate... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #19
Of course they won't announce that's part of the plea deal. brush Sep 2023 #23
George Santos discreet? getagrip_already Sep 2023 #26
Not if he wants to avoid jail. He's facing very serious legal charges. brush Sep 2023 #31
So you are saying the deal will be secret? getagrip_already Sep 2023 #32
While optics might be a deterrent, precedent isn't a barrier. It's called the Spiro Agnew deal. Eugene Sep 2023 #29
Mf45 is not an office holder.... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #30
Not so. Trumpdumper Sep 2023 #11
True, but that was a very different case..... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #14
They did it with Spiro Agnew. lastlib Sep 2023 #24
No Effete Snob Sep 2023 #6
Hopefully it involves jail time..... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #3
A question PJMcK Sep 2023 #5
He won't get the pension. Even if the discussions don't result in... brush Sep 2023 #10
Never surrender, George! usonian Sep 2023 #7
Byebye malaise Sep 2023 #8
Tony DeVolder (Santos) is a loose end and Vlad doesn't like loose ends. Botany Sep 2023 #13
Send up a flare when he's actually gone. Golden Raisin Sep 2023 #15
Hunter Biden gets his plea deal shot down, gab13by13 Sep 2023 #17
Resigning and not running again are 2 different things Bmoboy Sep 2023 #18
Santos insists not working on plea deal struggle4progress Sep 2023 #20
Of course he's never lied. RandySF Sep 2023 #22
What, never? struggle4progress Sep 2023 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author RandySF Sep 2023 #21
Well, it appears he certainly Mr.Bill Sep 2023 #25
Just a friendly reminder mgardener Sep 2023 #28

getagrip_already

(17,782 posts)
4. Not bloody likely.....
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 11:39 AM
Sep 2023

The doj won't get involved in politics like that.

They will just drop terms on him that will hurt. How badly it remains to be seen.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
9. Well why the mention of a special election next year?
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:30 PM
Sep 2023

That must mean vacating the seat is part of the ongoing discussions.

getagrip_already

(17,782 posts)
12. Probably the reporter speculating....
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:44 PM
Sep 2023

That once he pleads guty and enters prison, he will resign his seat and a special election will be held.

The doj doesn't have the power to compel him to resign. He could refuse to and the house would have to vote to expel him.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
16. I's not unreasonable to expect vacating the seat is part of plea deal discussions.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:53 PM
Sep 2023

Santos wants to stay out of jail and is not in the strongest position to refuse to vacate.

getagrip_already

(17,782 posts)
19. I doubt the doj wants him to announce the doj forced him to vacate...
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 01:10 PM
Sep 2023

As part of his plea agreement.

That would set the magats in the house on fire, not to mention tfg.

I really doubt they will go there.

Instead, they will insist on some amount of jail time and let the house sort it out. They really don't care if he resigns or not as long as he pleads guilty and serves some time.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
23. Of course they won't announce that's part of the plea deal.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 01:33 PM
Sep 2023

It'll all be very discrete.

getagrip_already

(17,782 posts)
32. So you are saying the deal will be secret?
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 04:59 PM
Sep 2023

Under seal? In federal court?

Hoo boy. That's a new one. At least outside of juvie.

Eugene

(66,461 posts)
29. While optics might be a deterrent, precedent isn't a barrier. It's called the Spiro Agnew deal.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 02:38 PM
Sep 2023

The ability of an officeholder to offer resignation as part of plea deal is one of the perks of being an officeholder.

It is being floated as a compromise in bringing MF45 to justice.

getagrip_already

(17,782 posts)
30. Mf45 is not an office holder....
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 02:44 PM
Sep 2023

And it is unlikely that agreeing to never run again would sway jack Smith or fanni Willis, or either of the nys prosecutors.

It just isn't plausible as a way to mitigate 91 felony charges.

Any plea deal has to include st least some felony convictions, and some jail time. Otherwise go to trial.

He isn't on a fast track to another presidency. Nobody needs that kind of deal.

Trumpdumper

(199 posts)
11. Not so.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:40 PM
Sep 2023

In Spiro Agnew's case, he agreed to the terms, the DOJ laid out, including resigning from office. No deal otherwise.

getagrip_already

(17,782 posts)
14. True, but that was a very different case.....
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:47 PM
Sep 2023

Agnew was a real and present danger to the country if he stayed in office, and would be president and untouchable.

Santos not so much.

lastlib

(26,846 posts)
24. They did it with Spiro Agnew.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 01:36 PM
Sep 2023

I'm fairly certain they have done it with others (can't cite an instance off the top of my head, tho. Wilbur Mills, maybe?)

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
6. No
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 11:47 AM
Sep 2023

That would be completely inappropriate.

The DoJ doesn't decide who runs for office, nor do we want them to.

getagrip_already

(17,782 posts)
3. Hopefully it involves jail time.....
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 11:37 AM
Sep 2023

And at least one felony conviction.

I'd hate to see him slither back to the house without having to serve any time.

PJMcK

(24,292 posts)
5. A question
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 11:41 AM
Sep 2023

I think I've read that in order to qualify for a Congressional pension, one has to serve 3 terms in the House. Santos made a statement earlier where he indicated that the pension was a major reason for his decision to run for office.

It would be very nice if Santos cannot get the pension. It doesn't seem right that we taxpayers would have to pay for his lies.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
10. He won't get the pension. Even if the discussions don't result in...
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:33 PM
Sep 2023

vacating the seat, he won't win re-election and will thus be just a one-term bad memory.

Botany

(75,511 posts)
13. Tony DeVolder (Santos) is a loose end and Vlad doesn't like loose ends.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:45 PM
Sep 2023

I might be wrong but I think he is gonna disappear soon.

Golden Raisin

(4,741 posts)
15. Send up a flare when he's actually gone.
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:47 PM
Sep 2023

And disqualified for running for any government post.

gab13by13

(30,047 posts)
17. Hunter Biden gets his plea deal shot down,
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 12:55 PM
Sep 2023

and gets a special prosecutor. I say do the same, don't be partisan, appoint a special counsel for DeVolder.

Bmoboy

(555 posts)
18. Resigning and not running again are 2 different things
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 01:07 PM
Sep 2023

He could resign as part of the deal (like Agnew) but still run again.

DOJ cannot disqualify someone who meets the requirements as set out by the individual states.

struggle4progress

(124,827 posts)
20. Santos insists not working on plea deal
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 01:20 PM
Sep 2023

By Hunter Walker
September 5, 2023 11:51 a.m.

The U.S. attorney prosecuting the case against freshman Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.) has indicated they are involved in discussions on how to resolve the case. However, in a series of texts to TPM, Santos insisted those talks have nothing to do with a potential plea deal on charges related to his campaign finances and false statements he made in official filings.

On Tuesday, U.S. Attorney Breon Peace filed a letter to the presiding judge in the case requesting to move a planned status conference from Thursday to Oct. 27. Peace said he was making the request jointly with Santos and his attorneys while they reviewed the evidence and engaged in further discussions ...

Requests such as these are often an indication of ongoing plea negotiations. However, in a series of texts to TPM, Santos called the suggestion the prosecutor is working on a plea agreement with his counsel “wildly inaccurate” and angrily suggested they are finding another “path forward.”

“You’re a real hack of a reporter,” Santos wrote. “Please do not contact me any longer or I will deem your unsolicited communication as harassment” ...

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/george-santos-insists-he-is-not-working-on-a-plea-deal

Well, there you have it! And right from the mouth of Santos! He couldn't say it if it wasn't true, could he?

Response to RandySF (Original post)

mgardener

(2,191 posts)
28. Just a friendly reminder
Tue Sep 5, 2023, 02:31 PM
Sep 2023

Elise Stefanik R NY21 endorsed, supported and held fund raisers for him.

SHE STILL HAS NOT DENOUNCED HIM

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