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***BREAKING***TFG ignores judge's order and attacks the star witness (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 OP
"Sad" BigmanPigman Aug 2023 #1
And what's with that American Psycho avatar he's using? TheBlackAdder Aug 2023 #20
Response to the Dark Brandom meme, I would guess. He copies/steals everything... Wounded Bear Aug 2023 #49
Right? ShazzieB Aug 2023 #51
He's playing Jeopardy! A. Sad. Q. What one word best describes Donald's sorry existence? thatcrowwoman Aug 2023 #145
You're funny! BigmanPigman Aug 2023 #152
Lock Motherfucker the fuck up Aviation Pro Aug 2023 #2
LTMFU! NOW! dchill Aug 2023 #5
THIS!!☝️ This dangerous animal needs to be caged before someone else gets hurt. onetexan Aug 2023 #27
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Aug 2023 #52
Yeah. Make the world happy! GreenWave Aug 2023 #53
I doubt he'll ever go to jail even if found guilty. oldsoftie Aug 2023 #87
If you think about how much the government spends on an ex-president's security, Wonder Why Aug 2023 #99
I'd LOVE to see it. oldsoftie Aug 2023 #107
I believe Guantonamo Bay is nice at this time of year. pink Aug 2023 #110
And since many of his cult think US citizens are already THERE, it would make that true! oldsoftie Aug 2023 #126
no actually its a mini desert dropped between some hills. pretty miserably hot and humid all year. bullimiami Aug 2023 #134
I was there in February 2016. It was 95F central scrutinizer Aug 2023 #138
Maybe DeSantis Danascot Aug 2023 #159
You don't need security from other prisoners if you are in ADX Florence. LudwigPastorius Aug 2023 #121
this a small technical issue Layzeebeaver Aug 2023 #125
lock him up Trueblue1968 Aug 2023 #116
Yep. dalton99a Aug 2023 #3
Thank you for opening the X-file (twit) question everything Aug 2023 #21
So Pence has gone "dark side" KS Toronado Aug 2023 #106
Everyone is delusional except malaise Aug 2023 #4
That's possible. dchill Aug 2023 #8
Delusional, Deranged, Sick dalton99a Aug 2023 #11
A zillion adjectives to describe this individual vapor2 Aug 2023 #60
Trump is on a roll that is for sure. What does he do tomorrow? Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #6
It's like he never outgrew his terrible twos. BlueKota Aug 2023 #15
I used to work in a child psych clinic. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #22
I have become numb. triron Aug 2023 #70
I have been disinterested in him as well. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #103
I have never felt such an intense level of disgust and irritation BlueKota Aug 2023 #72
Yep someone destroying our country, stealing top secret docs, etc etc. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #104
So much for this.. Cha Aug 2023 #7
Trump has a massive PLAN for revenge and lots of enablers lining up, doing it CharleyDog Aug 2023 #45
No the Treasonous Assholes Will Cha Aug 2023 #62
What's the point of this observation? ShazzieB Aug 2023 #111
Thank you, couldn't have said it better. we can do it Aug 2023 #127
Happy to do it! ShazzieB Aug 2023 #158
Brava! MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #154
Right. MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #153
But, But I thought BlueKota Aug 2023 #9
I know you're being sarcastic, but I've thought for ... Whiskeytide Aug 2023 #108
That could be BlueKota Aug 2023 #112
That's why Pence was chosen as Covid-response czar central scrutinizer Aug 2023 #139
He wants jail. He is assuming an uprising if he is jailed. He should probably put LuckyCharms Aug 2023 #10
He is acting like a terrorist. So send his ass to GITMO until his trial Emile Aug 2023 #31
The US relationship with Cuba is not in the best shape right now ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #69
Screw that. We put a lot of terrorists in Cuba without their approval. Emile Aug 2023 #115
He will fade into history as that President that was worse than Benedict Bluethroughu Aug 2023 #37
in prison with a dirty toilet keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #94
That's the only logical explanation. rubbersole Aug 2023 #38
"RICO enema" Talitha Aug 2023 #71
That's a DUzy for sure! llmart Aug 2023 #84
I think he believes he can intimidate his way out of this. D23MIURG23 Aug 2023 #144
he wants jail for one simple racist reason MistakenLamb Aug 2023 #42
You forgot one BumRushDaShow Aug 2023 #57
Welcome to DU orangecrush Aug 2023 #120
He does NOT MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #155
JAIL for drumpf? Works for me. Hope it happens soon...while it's hot. nt allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #113
That's it. Lock him up. Let the chips fall, if any do. bucolic_frolic Aug 2023 #12
tfg is certainly predictable...we all saw this coming...so what is the court's next move? KewlKat Aug 2023 #13
This is so Trump.. flinging bizarre insults like a monkey flinging poop. honest.abe Aug 2023 #14
"I once read a major magazine article on Mike" Diamond_Dog Aug 2023 #16
Go get the bastard Jilly_in_VA Aug 2023 #17
I agree - he is literally BEGGING to be dealt with rurallib Aug 2023 #56
Seriously, WTAF will it take to hold for trials? Brainfodder Aug 2023 #18
I'm beginning to think snowybirdie Aug 2023 #19
It's actually beginning to look like......... MyOwnPeace Aug 2023 #29
He won't be able to handle jail. emulatorloo Aug 2023 #32
I doubt that he believes it will put him in the WH ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #76
The scary question is what he is capable of doing at this point. D23MIURG23 Aug 2023 #146
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #23
Just to make sure, he can't appeal any pretrial ruling, right? ancianita Aug 2023 #43
No, this ruling is not appealable LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2023 #55
Nope. Doesn't work that way. paleotn Aug 2023 #58
Thanks, LMPV and paleotn. Got it. ancianita Aug 2023 #66
no Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #93
So maybe this is explicit enough of a violation senseandsensibility Aug 2023 #24
It's the specificity of the threat that could make it actionable ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #80
He's going to jail...he won't be able to shut up Tribetime Aug 2023 #25
Pence was a Manafort selection pushed on Agent Orange. That could be a story unto itself. n/t Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #26
He's trying to get a contempt citation or something more than just a protective order, then wiggs Aug 2023 #28
Can't appeal procedural matters ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #86
Bookmarking, K&R. Definitely a developing story... emulatorloo Aug 2023 #30
Bet he makes more threats at his rally in an hour malaise Aug 2023 #34
He can't stop himself. If I didn't despise his lying lawyers, I'd feel sorry for them for having an emulatorloo Aug 2023 #36
A brazen arrogant criminal malaise Aug 2023 #148
Yep! Peter Pan and the Lost Boys sang I won't grow up! thatcrowwoman Aug 2023 #147
He' way worse malaise Aug 2023 #149
Oh I love it!!! Asshole just has no self-control or regard for the consequences of his actions vlyons Aug 2023 #33
I hope Jack Smith has preemptively reached out to the Secret Service dlk Aug 2023 #35
That is what should happen, But I bet you $10 to a bottle of Guinness, 3Hotdogs Aug 2023 #39
Every day is a new beginning... dlk Aug 2023 #105
Oh man I could sure go for a pint of Guinness right now Blue Owl Aug 2023 #124
I once MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #156
Judge Chutkan needs to take this very seriously and ACT. bluesbassman Aug 2023 #40
If anyone else did this, they'd be in jail pending trial Marius25 Aug 2023 #41
He has gotten away with this DENVERPOPS Aug 2023 #96
Hahaha, gag him now then throw him in jail to rot till next years trial Shanti Shanti Shanti Aug 2023 #44
Hey, I'll have you know my neighbor said that she "heard that Mike Pence was a really nice guy". czarjak Aug 2023 #46
He is going to land in jail Deminpenn Aug 2023 #47
Yep. ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #88
Joyce Vance said it's not quite there. triron Aug 2023 #157
What a surprise , the guy you tried to get killed doesn't have your back Fullduplexxx Aug 2023 #48
No way! I don't believe that trump read a magazine article... Wounded Bear Aug 2023 #50
Pence isn't just a witness. He's a victim of Trumps crimes. Renew Deal Aug 2023 #54
Lock Him Up NowISeetheLight Aug 2023 #59
good on judge . no more delays . now lock him up for violating bail . AllaN01Bear Aug 2023 #61
He not only is a danger to democracy but to all society liberal N proud Aug 2023 #63
Let me get this right.... FirstLight Aug 2023 #64
He's trying to move the goalposts. Turbineguy Aug 2023 #65
An hour ago: dalton99a Aug 2023 #67
Pence is not the only one that sold out, all of the cabinet officers that could have SWBTATTReg Aug 2023 #101
That's witness tampering to the first degree... Justice matters. Aug 2023 #68
I used to think that the common Confederate soldier was the most pathetic figure in American history Goodheart Aug 2023 #73
So much for judges orders. republianmushroom Aug 2023 #74
I would be willing to bet that Malaria is looking forward to the time 'alone'. Prairie_Seagull Aug 2023 #75
Oh, I doubt she's "alone" oldsoftie Aug 2023 #89
and it will go on and on. elleng Aug 2023 #77
It is also PlutosHeart Aug 2023 #78
Can you imagine being Dump's lawyer? The poor schmuck's probably pulling his hair out. Talitha Aug 2023 #79
Lawyers can quit if the client crosses certain lines ExWhoDoesntCare Aug 2023 #91
Dump's been refusing to heed counsel all his life, from what I understand. Talitha Aug 2023 #98
Trump is a typical bully double daring and pushing until someone stops him. BarbD Aug 2023 #81
oh he's lying his ass off....... Takket Aug 2023 #82
So he thinks the Qcreeps will start a war for him. Me thinks not. flying_wahini Aug 2023 #83
Yes, I've been surprised that his "people" haven't shown up in large numbers oldsoftie Aug 2023 #92
Well, over on FR, StarlightGold Aug 2023 #136
Oh for Petes sake. Really? Thats about as lame an excuse as can be oldsoftie Aug 2023 #143
Glenn K, two plus hours ago, before TFG's bald attack on Pence. RobertDevereaux Aug 2023 #85
Bury this motherfucker Recycle_Guru Aug 2023 #90
For sure. RocRizzo55 Aug 2023 #131
I hear there's a family cemetery plot there at Bedminster, right? thatcrowwoman Aug 2023 #150
can anyone offer me a compellnig reason for drumpf NOT to lose his pre-trial release over this? Takket Aug 2023 #95
Trump is trash brokephibroke Aug 2023 #97
Go to jail Go directly to jail Do not pass Go Tribetime Aug 2023 #100
What major magazine? When? keithbvadu2 Aug 2023 #102
Stroke out already, you F'n, murdering, orange, RAPIST, TRAITOR**. niyad Aug 2023 #109
Hmmm. Starting to not believe Trump is a non-drinker:) Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2023 #114
God damn it would someone throw this asshole in solitary confinement already? Oneironaut Aug 2023 #117
Since Mark Meadows' name hasn't been circulated as one of the unindicted co-conspirators, I... LudwigPastorius Aug 2023 #118
No chance in hell Trump wrote that post. KentuckyWoman Aug 2023 #119
Damn I miss cheese flavored popcorn ecstatic Aug 2023 #122
Really? You can't get the Smart Food white cheddar cheese popcorn? electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #123
Adding it to my grocery list. Vinca Aug 2023 #128
👍 electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #141
Sounds too healthy ecstatic Aug 2023 #129
Never had the Orville version 😄 This one is tasty, too. electric_blue68 Aug 2023 #140
Trump's long slide into the ashpit of history and, hopefully, prison is well under way. Joinfortmill Aug 2023 #130
I applaud this post Mysterian Aug 2023 #133
Yeah right, Donnie Dipshit! It's ALL ABOUT YOU! ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2023 #132
and while his threat against the prosecutors was ambiguous enough to spin, this is not. bullimiami Aug 2023 #135
Throw his worthless ass in jail already! Initech Aug 2023 #137
I mean... cilla4progress Aug 2023 #142
He's going to be hit with Contempt of Court any day now sakabatou Aug 2023 #151

Wounded Bear

(63,352 posts)
49. Response to the Dark Brandom meme, I would guess. He copies/steals everything...
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:39 PM
Aug 2023

Not an original bone in his over fed carcase.

ShazzieB

(21,882 posts)
51. Right?
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:43 PM
Aug 2023

I HATE that thing!

He probably thinks it makes him look fierce and tough and patriotic, but he just looks like a really pissed off evil clown!

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
145. He's playing Jeopardy! A. Sad. Q. What one word best describes Donald's sorry existence?
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 03:47 PM
Aug 2023

Pathetic also works. 3 syllables, though, so might be beyond his comprehension.
Vituperative, for sure. All 5 fecking syllables of it.
What a waste of a lifetime.
🕊thatcrowwoman

Aviation Pro

(14,966 posts)
2. Lock Motherfucker the fuck up
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:18 PM
Aug 2023

Now.

Put him in the Epstein Didn't Kill Himself Memorial Cell with lots of bedsheets.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
87. I doubt he'll ever go to jail even if found guilty.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:52 PM
Aug 2023

How is the secret service going to handle an assignment in a jail? I dont think SS protection can be taken away, only given up
Its just not going to happen
I certainly hope I'm wrong

Wonder Why

(6,311 posts)
99. If you think about how much the government spends on an ex-president's security,
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 09:06 PM
Aug 2023

especially what they have to pay him at his fancy digs, then think about how much less expensive it would be to build him a private cell block in Ft Leavenworth such that the secret service people could stay outside his private prison in a comfortable but modest quarters surrounding him.

pink

(530 posts)
110. I believe Guantonamo Bay is nice at this time of year.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 10:22 PM
Aug 2023

The taxpayer will not have to pay for his own personal security because there's plenty of security already there.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
126. And since many of his cult think US citizens are already THERE, it would make that true!
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 08:03 AM
Aug 2023

bullimiami

(14,067 posts)
134. no actually its a mini desert dropped between some hills. pretty miserably hot and humid all year.
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 10:31 AM
Aug 2023

with marine iguanas and banana rats the size of dogs.

central scrutinizer

(12,621 posts)
138. I was there in February 2016. It was 95F
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 01:33 PM
Aug 2023

That was in the city of Guantanamo which is north of the compound and a ways from the water.

LudwigPastorius

(13,690 posts)
121. You don't need security from other prisoners if you are in ADX Florence.
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 12:00 AM
Aug 2023

...23-hour per day single cell confinement, and the hour allotted to exercise (Trump exercise? Right) is done away from other prisoners.

Layzeebeaver

(2,116 posts)
125. this a small technical issue
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 06:00 AM
Aug 2023

the SS, US marshals and any other national security elements can come to a working agreement, once any judgement is made.


Let's fight the good fight on the fight that is ahead of us. There is no good reason to stop fighting NOW because of a small issue way far ahead of us.

question everything

(51,269 posts)
21. Thank you for opening the X-file (twit)
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:28 PM
Aug 2023

I an almost tempted to donate yo his campaign so he will qualify for the debate.

To have there at least one person spelling what Whiny did on Jan 6, perhaps even describe how he feared for his life.

Irish_Dem

(77,018 posts)
22. I used to work in a child psych clinic.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:28 PM
Aug 2023

For some reason I keep thinking about some of those kids.

None of them aggravated me any where near as much as Trump
who is pissing me the hell off in the last 48 hours.

Irish_Dem

(77,018 posts)
103. I have been disinterested in him as well.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 09:27 PM
Aug 2023

But for some reason he is aggravating me now.

BlueKota

(4,747 posts)
72. I have never felt such an intense level of disgust and irritation
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:30 PM
Aug 2023

about someone I have never met in person as I do about him. I've certainly disliked Republican politicians before, but never loathed any of them as much as I do him. Although DeSantis, and Trump's Congressional Cheerleading squad are all tied for second now.

Irish_Dem

(77,018 posts)
104. Yep someone destroying our country, stealing top secret docs, etc etc.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 09:29 PM
Aug 2023

And making the US a global laughingstock....

I am beyond disgusted too.

CharleyDog

(811 posts)
45. Trump has a massive PLAN for revenge and lots of enablers lining up, doing it
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:33 PM
Aug 2023
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-jack-smith-indictment-jan6-justice-department-1234800968/

The thrice-indicted former president and his allies have long been drawing plans to undo Smith's investigations, as well as to punish everyone involved




With Trump or even without him, these Republicans won't stop until they break our democracy.

Cha

(315,367 posts)
62. No the Treasonous Assholes Will
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:07 PM
Aug 2023
Not "break our Democracy".

Fucking Sniveling Coward.

ShazzieB

(21,882 posts)
111. What's the point of this observation?
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 10:24 PM
Aug 2023

I honestly don't understand. Are you implying that Jack Smith and the DOJ should just forget the whole thing? I'm serious. I honestly don't understand what you're getting at.

I can't read the article you posted because of the paywall, but I can tell you this: Trump is toast. He can make all the revenge plans he wants, but he's going down regardless. This is the United States government he's up against. The U.S. military can squash his delusional followers like the nasty little stink bugs that they are if that's what's called for.

Sure, he would love to crush our democracy, but he's not going to get the chance. He couldn't do it on J6 when he was still in the White House and in a position to deprive the Capitol police of the resources they needed to fight off the insurrectionists, and he sure as hell can't do it now, with Joe Biden in charge.

He's going down for his crimes, period, full stop. Any mess he tries to make on his way out will be dealt with as needed and will NOT stop Jack Smith or any other prosecutor from doing their job.

As for the Republican Party "breaking our democracy," let them fucking try. Anyone who wants to give up and surrender to the forces of evil needs to get out of the damned way, because the rest of us will be fighting tooth and nail, and we will NOT go down without one hell of a fight!

I really wish people would refrain from posting this kind of defeatist malarkey here, because it serves no useful purpose.and its really bad for morale.

ShazzieB

(21,882 posts)
158. Happy to do it!
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 07:28 PM
Aug 2023

Honestly, that post made me so mad I was afraid I might have gone overboard. But I meant every word and still do.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,840 posts)
153. Right.
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 05:55 PM
Aug 2023

Funny how this stupid statement sounds exactly like Slobby. "China-loving," "Club for No Growth." Yep, really fooled.

The anonymous "spokesperson" must have been David Dennison or Baron Von Reichenbach or whatever one he named his son after.

John Barron.

BlueKota

(4,747 posts)
9. But, But I thought
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:20 PM
Aug 2023

tfg only had the "best people," serving in his administration? If Pence was "not a very good person," why did he choose him? 🙄

Whiskeytide

(4,611 posts)
108. I know you're being sarcastic, but I've thought for ...
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 10:11 PM
Aug 2023

… some time now that Pence was actually selected from day one as a back-up patsy in case they ever needed one.

central scrutinizer

(12,621 posts)
139. That's why Pence was chosen as Covid-response czar
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 01:40 PM
Aug 2023

Yambo realized he’d dropped the ball and needed a fall guy

LuckyCharms

(21,090 posts)
10. He wants jail. He is assuming an uprising if he is jailed. He should probably put
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:20 PM
Aug 2023

more thought into this notion.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
69. The US relationship with Cuba is not in the best shape right now
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:28 PM
Aug 2023

Thanks to this wanker reinstating the trade & travel embargo.

Even if Gitmo is technically US property, putting him there would be a terrible idea. It's like waving a red cape before a bull and would make a bad situation far worse.

Keep him as far from there as can be.

Seriously.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
37. He will fade into history as that President that was worse than Benedict
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:17 PM
Aug 2023

Arnold...within 6 months, his supporters will be all over the next person Fox tells them to support. He will die a nobody in prison with a dirty toilet.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
94. in prison with a dirty toilet
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:58 PM
Aug 2023

Really bad prison time... Nazi war criminal... from advisor to liability

Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner died in Syria basement in 2001 - report

http://www.timesofisrael.com/nazi-war-criminal-alois-brunner-died-in-syria-basement-in-2001-report/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38586945

Nazi war criminal Alois Brunner 'died in Syria squalor'

One of his guards said Brunner, who went by the name of Abu Hussein, “suffered and cried a lot in his final years, everyone heard him.”

The man, identified only as Omar, said he “couldn’t even wash.”

All he had to eat were “army rations - awful stuff - and an egg or a potato. He had to choose one or the other.”

(He was a 'consultant' to various torture regimes but when he became a political embarrassment/liability, his retirement plan was really bad)

rubbersole

(10,806 posts)
38. That's the only logical explanation.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:19 PM
Aug 2023

He wants to go to jail. The insanity defense might be the tactic he's using. Then again, he might be this stupid. Bet we'll know by next weekend after Fani gives him a RICO enema.

D23MIURG23

(3,135 posts)
144. I think he believes he can intimidate his way out of this.
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 02:59 PM
Aug 2023

When he pulls this crap within the Republican party they back down because they are terrified of his hold on his followers.

POS doesn't care about the downstream consequences of his actions for the country. He's happy to threaten a civil war he sees it as being in his own best interest.

He needs to be taught that he isn't actually the "God-Emperor" of the USA, just a private citizen with a court case. Jail might do the trick tbh. But the bare minimum is that he needs to be gagged so he can't keep trying to incite his cultists.

MistakenLamb

(791 posts)
42. he wants jail for one simple racist reason
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:29 PM
Aug 2023

nothing will get his deplorable base more riled up than

a black da from Harlem indicting him

a black da in Georgia and daughter of a Black Panther indicting him

a black immigrant judge from Washington DC, a city that’s 40 percent black jailing him


all after their last white savior

BumRushDaShow

(162,468 posts)
57. You forgot one
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:01 PM
Aug 2023

a black AG from NY suing 45, his org, and his kids in a $250 million fraud case.



This will be the first "big" trial to happen - set for Oct. 2, 2023.

MorbidButterflyTat

(3,840 posts)
155. He does NOT
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 06:03 PM
Aug 2023

want jail.

He is scared shitless.

Hence the lashing out caps lock melt down on his fake twitter.

bucolic_frolic

(53,004 posts)
12. That's it. Lock him up. Let the chips fall, if any do.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:21 PM
Aug 2023

The nation cannot, should not, and must not endure any further abuse by this egotistical clown.

KewlKat

(5,776 posts)
13. tfg is certainly predictable...we all saw this coming...so what is the court's next move?
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:22 PM
Aug 2023

We certainly don't want any further delays if he should be put in jail...that's what the media was saying could happen yesterday, should his bond be revoked.

 

honest.abe

(9,238 posts)
14. This is so Trump.. flinging bizarre insults like a monkey flinging poop.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:22 PM
Aug 2023

Very similar mentality.

Diamond_Dog

(38,928 posts)
16. "I once read a major magazine article on Mike"
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:23 PM
Aug 2023

“And it said he was not a very good person”….. Wow, I guess that seals it, then!

He is so simple and so infantile. It would be funny if he wasn’t so dangerous.

rurallib

(64,329 posts)
56. I agree - he is literally BEGGING to be dealt with
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:59 PM
Aug 2023

and if he is locked up, he thinks he wins because he believes it will start a national 'reaction.'

If he is not locked up it will show that he has the power to back down THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!

win- effing - win!

Smith and the judge must show they are serious, really serious

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
18. Seriously, WTAF will it take to hold for trials?
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:24 PM
Aug 2023

Not even going to suggest and give the sicko ideas.



Still backing, THIS GUY?


snowybirdie

(6,430 posts)
19. I'm beginning to think
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:25 PM
Aug 2023

Rtump wants to be arrested and jailed. Probably thinks it'll make him a martyr and his base will rise up to sweep him into the White House! Delusional, we all know. But has he ever thought rationally? The family needs to do an intervention.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
76. I doubt that he believes it will put him in the WH
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:39 PM
Aug 2023

Contrary to what people here think, he's not crazy.

He's a malignant narcissist who is devolving from narcissistic injury into narcissistic rage. And that makes him exceedingly dangerous right now.

What he's hoping he can accomplish by stirring up his base is that if he can't have something, then nobody else can, either. He seriously thinks that all those bad people took "his" country away from him, and if he can't have it, then he'll destroy the country rather than let anyone else have it. He wants his flying monkeys to destroy the country. for him.

This is what he's after now. Because it's what all malignant narcissists go for when they can't get what they want--I can't have it, so neither will you.

His malignant narcissism has always been one of the most dangerous things about him, because thwarted narcissists will do anything--and I do mean *anything*--to destroy those who don't let them have their way.

D23MIURG23

(3,135 posts)
146. The scary question is what he is capable of doing at this point.
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 04:01 PM
Aug 2023

He's pretty forthcoming about how he intends to use his next term to make war on the government for denying him reelection.

He'll happily try to destroy the country. The question is how far will his followers and the GOP go to please him, and what can they make happen on his behalf? You'd think at some point they'd get wise to the fact that they are destroying themselves and the country, but I haven't seen much awareness of that yet.

Thanks for the insightful take.

paleotn

(21,086 posts)
58. Nope. Doesn't work that way.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:02 PM
Aug 2023

You can appeal a final verdict, but not procedural stuff. There are few things more like god on earth than a judge in their court.

ancianita

(42,424 posts)
66. Thanks, LMPV and paleotn. Got it.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:19 PM
Aug 2023

Love this!

There are few things more like god on earth than a judge in their court.
 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
80. It's the specificity of the threat that could make it actionable
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:43 PM
Aug 2023

If he'd left it as vague as the "if you come after me" threat, then he could have skated.

But he went right at trying to intimidate someone we strongly suspect is a prosecution witness--by name.

He is skating on very thin ice here.

wiggs

(8,531 posts)
28. He's trying to get a contempt citation or something more than just a protective order, then
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 06:58 PM
Aug 2023

he'll take it up to higher courts and delay, delay

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
86. Can't appeal procedural matters
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:50 PM
Aug 2023

And he won't win a contempt appeal.

One of the things judges at every level cannot abide is anyone who demonstrates contempt for the court. They will not look kindly on an appeal over a contempt charge. That's why it would take an egregious failure on Chutkin's part for him to win such an appeal. We're talking insulting him with slurs in court, sentencing him to a cruel and unusual punishment for the charge against him--that sort of thing.

They will never rule against a judge levying a contempt charge who behaves in a professional mannerand makes a fair call about his behavior.

emulatorloo

(46,132 posts)
36. He can't stop himself. If I didn't despise his lying lawyers, I'd feel sorry for them for having an
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:07 PM
Aug 2023

uncontrollable client.

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
147. Yep! Peter Pan and the Lost Boys sang I won't grow up!
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 04:12 PM
Aug 2023

The Slobfather’s version is I won’t shut up!
May he soon come to regret his lack of self control. Bigly!
🕊thatcrowwoman

malaise

(290,581 posts)
149. He' way worse
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 04:23 PM
Aug 2023

He thinks he’s above the law and no non-white will give him orders
It’s time to shut him up

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
33. Oh I love it!!! Asshole just has no self-control or regard for the consequences of his actions
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:03 PM
Aug 2023

I'll bet before next Monday in court that he does it a few more times. That one about Pence might even get him locked up.

How humiliating it must be for him to be under the control a female judge, a woman of color, originally from Jamaica. I can barely wait until Monday to know what she does.

dlk

(13,004 posts)
35. I hope Jack Smith has preemptively reached out to the Secret Service
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:06 PM
Aug 2023

So they can do their threat analyses in advance of Trump’s release being revoked. Trump will push the envelope and thumb his nose at the court until he’s locked up without a phone.

3Hotdogs

(14,750 posts)
39. That is what should happen, But I bet you $10 to a bottle of Guinness,
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:21 PM
Aug 2023

it ain't gonna happen.

Anal Fistula will keep on accusing and threatening until, and even after the trial is ov --- then again, maybe not. He hasn't brought up Crooked Hillary in a couple of years and that was a consistent theme.

dlk

(13,004 posts)
105. Every day is a new beginning...
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 09:34 PM
Aug 2023

Jack Smith is a detailed planner, though. Time will tell.

bluesbassman

(20,343 posts)
40. Judge Chutkan needs to take this very seriously and ACT.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:24 PM
Aug 2023

Otherwise ANYTHING she says moving forward will be scoffed at.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
41. If anyone else did this, they'd be in jail pending trial
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:26 PM
Aug 2023

The crap TFG gets away with is insane.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
96. He has gotten away with this
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:59 PM
Aug 2023

kind of shit, every day of his putrid life.......why would anyone think he would start behaving now/????????

czarjak

(13,267 posts)
46. Hey, I'll have you know my neighbor said that she "heard that Mike Pence was a really nice guy".
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:34 PM
Aug 2023

In 2015.

Deminpenn

(17,081 posts)
47. He is going to land in jail
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:35 PM
Aug 2023

As Glen Kirchner said "this judge don't play". Already two violations in 24 hours. He'll get some leeway, but the hammer will come down sooner rather than later.

He can have Ted Kacinski's old supermax cell and his SS agent can sit outside

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
88. Yep.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:54 PM
Aug 2023

Except it will still be a team of agents. Minimum 3 per shift: One for cell monitoring, Another one for perimeter monitoring, and then at least one floater as backup/break relief.

Renew Deal

(84,552 posts)
54. Pence isn't just a witness. He's a victim of Trumps crimes.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 07:51 PM
Aug 2023

Trump should be arrested and released on bail for this.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
59. Lock Him Up
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:04 PM
Aug 2023

The judge has to do something. If she calls him to court and gives him a warning it'd just a free pass. The guy has gone his whole life dodging responsibility and consequences. It's time he pays the price for breaking the rules

liberal N proud

(61,153 posts)
63. He not only is a danger to democracy but to all society
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:08 PM
Aug 2023

Until he is locked up, he will continue to bully

FirstLight

(15,750 posts)
64. Let me get this right....
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:09 PM
Aug 2023

Thursday: He's told NOT to do the Thing.

Friday: He does the Thing

Friday(?): He's called out on the Thing, told to answer by Monday @ 5pm (sorry my timeline might be off a little)

Sat: He tries to weasel out of answering Monday, of course tries to delay. He also issues a statement that he didn't mean what we ALL KNEW he meant.

He's told that Monday's deadline holds.

He IMMEDIATELY does the Thing AGAIN...only more specifically.



Now, here's where I'm confused. IF this was ANYONE else, he'd be picked up at his house, even BEFORE the Monday deadline to respond to his first violation?
Or does the Court have to give him until Monday to respond?

Or since NOW he's obviously targeting someone specific, and being blatant, can they swoop on his ass?

SWBTATTReg

(25,810 posts)
101. Pence is not the only one that sold out, all of the cabinet officers that could have
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 09:12 PM
Aug 2023

forced tRUMP out of office didn't do their duty. Why didn't they when tRUMP revealed his true colors on 1/6? Traitors all.

Justice matters.

(9,044 posts)
68. That's witness tampering to the first degree...
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:27 PM
Aug 2023

»Oh.... childish mob-boss hair fuerhair just committed ANOTHER crime.

Oh... wait until Monday so he will commit another one or two and go golfing...

 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
73. I used to think that the common Confederate soldier was the most pathetic figure in American history
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:34 PM
Aug 2023

No more. He's been replaced by the common trump supporter.

Each through lack of education and an abundance of racism allowed himself to be bamboozled, but in the Confederate case I'm sure that a lot of those losers felt financially entangled to their plantation owner neighbors.... the trump supporters have no such ties.

PlutosHeart

(1,445 posts)
78. It is also
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:41 PM
Aug 2023

beyond time that these "cultists" are also arrested for endangerment, harassment, and general out-of-order behavior.

Talitha

(7,618 posts)
79. Can you imagine being Dump's lawyer? The poor schmuck's probably pulling his hair out.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:43 PM
Aug 2023

Which begs a question - can his lawyer quit?

Dump's obviously not going to stop this crap, so can the lawyer say "I'm through with this moron" and head out the door? If so, what happens to the case?

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
91. Lawyers can quit if the client crosses certain lines
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:56 PM
Aug 2023

Like refusing to pay, refusing to heed counsel, or trying to get the lawyer to commit an illegal or unethical act.

Talitha

(7,618 posts)
98. Dump's been refusing to heed counsel all his life, from what I understand.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 09:04 PM
Aug 2023

So basically the guy can walk at anytime. Any idea what happens to the case if the lawyer does decide to bail out?

BarbD

(1,348 posts)
81. Trump is a typical bully double daring and pushing until someone stops him.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:44 PM
Aug 2023

He is underestimating the strength of truth and justice.

flying_wahini

(8,215 posts)
83. So he thinks the Qcreeps will start a war for him. Me thinks not.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:45 PM
Aug 2023

We shouldn’t have to put up with him. Really Judge, Put him out of our misery, please.

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
92. Yes, I've been surprised that his "people" haven't shown up in large numbers
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:57 PM
Aug 2023

Last edited Sun Aug 6, 2023, 02:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Every time he's been indicted. Some are there, but I really expected a lot of them. Because its a cult

StarlightGold

(371 posts)
136. Well, over on FR,
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 10:53 AM
Aug 2023

the excuse for the lack of crowds is “well of course people are scared to show up. Look what happened to the J6 political prisoners who were simply peacefully protesting! Naturally, people with families, etc. don’t want to risk that!”

 

oldsoftie

(13,538 posts)
143. Oh for Petes sake. Really? Thats about as lame an excuse as can be
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 02:33 PM
Aug 2023

Why not just say "Hey people have to work because of this Biden economy!!"

RobertDevereaux

(2,016 posts)
85. Glenn K, two plus hours ago, before TFG's bald attack on Pence.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:49 PM
Aug 2023


I suspect Glenn will bring this current outrage up, next posting.

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
150. I hear there's a family cemetery plot there at Bedminster, right?
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 04:25 PM
Aug 2023

Just asking a question, as “they” say.
🕊thatcrowwoman

Takket

(23,305 posts)
95. can anyone offer me a compellnig reason for drumpf NOT to lose his pre-trial release over this?
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 08:59 PM
Aug 2023

or suffer some other sort of consequence?

We can split hairs all we want about what he is "implying" or how "specific" it is but as this is not a conviction and is simply a pre-trial condition the bar is not as high as it is to convict and get over 1A hurdles and such.

We all know anyone arrested, after someone they assaulted presses charges, who posts on social media the things drumpf has, would have they bond revoked and not be able to use "I was talking about the Koch brothers" or some such nonsense as an excuse.

So again, law-DU, convince me that there isn't enough here to revoke his release..........

Oneironaut

(6,140 posts)
117. God damn it would someone throw this asshole in solitary confinement already?
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 11:49 PM
Aug 2023

He’s mocking our entire legal system.

LudwigPastorius

(13,690 posts)
118. Since Mark Meadows' name hasn't been circulated as one of the unindicted co-conspirators, I...
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 11:51 PM
Aug 2023

believe he is going to be the real "star witness" of this trial.

I think he was around Trump much more than Pence was, and I think that he is going to testify for the prosecution.

KentuckyWoman

(7,318 posts)
119. No chance in hell Trump wrote that post.
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 11:55 PM
Aug 2023

Too much effort to on and off the caps lock key. Someone else posted that for him.
Plus, Trump reads? hahaha ... no.

ecstatic

(34,963 posts)
122. Damn I miss cheese flavored popcorn
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 12:16 AM
Aug 2023

Completely disappeared during covid but it is desperately needed right now.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,364 posts)
132. Yeah right, Donnie Dipshit! It's ALL ABOUT YOU!
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 09:09 AM
Aug 2023

A Narcissist is as a Narcissist does.

Donnie Dipshit makes EVERYTHING about him.

Well, this Federal trial coming up IS all about YOU!

bullimiami

(14,067 posts)
135. and while his threat against the prosecutors was ambiguous enough to spin, this is not.
Sun Aug 6, 2023, 10:34 AM
Aug 2023

an obvious, blatant violation.

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