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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 05:32 PM Jul 2023

Belief in Five Spiritual Entities Edges Down to New Lows

https://news.gallup.com/poll/508886/belief-five-spiritual-entities-edges-down-new-lows.aspx


Belief in Five Spiritual Entities Edges Down to New Lows
BY MEGAN BRENAN

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
74% believe in God, 69% angels, 67% heaven, 59% hell, 58% the devil
Nearly three in 10 do not believe in hell or the devil

Belief greatest among frequent churchgoers, Protestants, Republicans
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The percentages of Americans who believe in each of five religious entities -- God, angels, heaven, hell and the devil -- have edged downward by three to five percentage points since 2016.

Still, majorities believe in each, ranging from a high of 74% believing in God to lows of 59% for hell and 58% for the devil. About two-thirds each believe in angels (69%) and heaven (67%).
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Belief in Five Spiritual Entities Edges Down to New Lows (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jul 2023 OP
How do Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy rate ? nt eppur_se_muova Jul 2023 #1
I'd wager they rate more poorly ... though objectively I'm not exactly sure why (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #2
what percent believe in the Pillsbury Dough Boy? DBoon Jul 2023 #3
What % are saying they believe because it's expected and they're hedging? maxsolomon Jul 2023 #4
Lucifer isn't exactly in good graces. keithbvadu2 Jul 2023 #5
Similarly, more believe in heaven than in hell. yardwork Jul 2023 #15
This is why I cringe when our fringe calls God Tinker-bell or pwb Jul 2023 #6
Atheists are good Democrats, too. maxsolomon Jul 2023 #10
I have no problem with that. pwb Jul 2023 #11
Who bad mouths atheists??? yardwork Jul 2023 #17
Atheism is still a taboo for American politicians Celerity Jul 2023 #22
Why should it offend them? Is their belief so weak that critique or criticism of any or all Celerity Jul 2023 #14
Thank you. yardwork Jul 2023 #16
Good Democrats or not.... Happy Hoosier Jul 2023 #24
I 100% believe in the chair I'm sitting on. Solly Mack Jul 2023 #7
Brilliant! Solomon Jul 2023 #8
I don't believe in any of those things nevergiveup Jul 2023 #9
Too bad you didn't have a cell phone back then. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #20
I Believe NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #12
It's not the god of the Bible. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #19
Agreed NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #23
Right. Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #25
Contact NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #26
Played by Mathew McConaughey. What a cool movie written my Carl Segan. nt Prairie_Seagull Jul 2023 #27
Different Guy NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #29
I sit corrected. He does look like Reed. Thanks Prairie_Seagull Jul 2023 #30
Even the Names NowISeetheLight Jul 2023 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jul 2023 #13
WTF?! It's that high?! Sky Jewels Jul 2023 #18
Far too many say they believe "just in case there's one hiding out there somewhere".... KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2023 #21
Thanks for this. I mis-understood the word. nt Prairie_Seagull Jul 2023 #28

maxsolomon

(37,564 posts)
4. What % are saying they believe because it's expected and they're hedging?
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 06:10 PM
Jul 2023

69% believe in ANGELS, but 11% fewer don't believe in Lucifer?

LUCIFER IS AN ANGEL, ding dongs. If Angels exist, then Lucifer exists.

pwb

(12,377 posts)
6. This is why I cringe when our fringe calls God Tinker-bell or
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 06:27 PM
Jul 2023

some other name. It offends many here. Good Democrats.

maxsolomon

(37,564 posts)
10. Atheists are good Democrats, too.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 07:14 PM
Jul 2023

American belief in Monotheism's "Spiritual Entities" is culturally enforced so often that most don't even notice it. Every President ends speeches with "...and may God Bless America".

That constant cultural imposition of Monotheist belief offends many here, too.

pwb

(12,377 posts)
11. I have no problem with that.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 08:52 PM
Jul 2023

You would be in the 30% then. Democrats should not criticize other Democrats was my point. Big words say the same thing. Are there any puke atheists ?
Who bad mouths atheists? I have never seen it ridiculed ever. Most people just say oh ok.


yardwork

(68,312 posts)
17. Who bad mouths atheists???
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 11:39 PM
Jul 2023

Last edited Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:07 AM - Edit history (1)

You're kidding, right?

Edit typo

Celerity

(52,526 posts)
22. Atheism is still a taboo for American politicians
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 01:28 AM
Jul 2023
Members of Congress are far more religious than their constituents

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/01/06/atheism-is-still-a-taboo-for-american-politicians

https://archive.li/f78Qj

In 1952 president-elect Dwight Eisenhower set out what he saw as a cornerstone of American democracy: “Our form of government has no sense unless it is founded in a deeply felt religious faith—and I don’t care what it is.” His words still loom over American politics. Almost 88% of members of the 118th Congress, which convened on January 3rd—but whose House members have not yet elected a speaker—are Christian. That share has barely shifted since the late 1970s (see chart). Only two members—less than half of 1%—say they are not religious.



But the American public has changed. Just 64% of Americans say they are Christian compared with 90% in 1972. About 29% are religiously unaffiliated, up from 5%. Why are American lawmakers more pious than the population? Start with age. The average member of the House of Representatives is 57; the average senator is almost 64. The median age in America is 39. Older generations tend to be more religious than the young. In America, 83% of those over 65 are religious compared with 61% of those aged between 18 and 29.

Second, religious people may be particularly likely to run for office. Religious groups offer useful networks for politicians hoping to connect with voters. White evangelicals, a formidable force in the Republican base, are the most striking example. Democrats have traditionally benefitted from the votes of black Protestants, Jews and other religious minorities. Third, many American voters remain wary of atheists, despite their own waning religiosity. In May a poll by the University of Maryland asked respondents how likely they would be to vote for a presidential hopeful who otherwise shared their views, depending on the candidate’s faith. Only 48% said they would vote for an atheist, a lower number than for any religion.

Part of that suspicion dates to the cold war, when America faced an explicitly atheist enemy in the Soviet Union. It was then that America changed its motto to “In God we trust”, added a reference to the divine on dollar bills and inserted the Almighty into the pledge of allegiance. “To this day it’s almost a death sentence [for a politician to be atheist],” says Phil Zuckerman, of Pitzer College in California.

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Is it any wonder when their own christian bible says things like this...............




Study of the Day: Religious People Distrust Atheists as Much as Rapists (2011)

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2011/12/study-of-the-day-religious-people-distrust-atheists-as-much-as-rapists/250005/

https://archive.li/4B3U2


SOURCE: The full study, "Do You Believe in Atheists? Distrust Is Central to Anti-Atheist Prejudice" (PDF)

https://www2.psych.ubc.ca/~ara/Manuscripts/Gervais%20et%20al-%20Atheist%20Distrust.pdf

Celerity

(52,526 posts)
14. Why should it offend them? Is their belief so weak that critique or criticism of any or all
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:46 PM
Jul 2023

religions (or, as in my case, a more foundational critique of the wilful suspension of disbelief that is necessary to believe in a god or gods at all, regardless of any particular religion) causes them to have to lash out and demand all critique/criticism be silenced and suppressed?

You are falsely equating logical critique of a belief system (and if that belief system is god or gods-based, a critique of the epistemological underpinnings necessary to believe in said supernatural beings/concepts) with somehow a priori attacking Democrats.

You brought up a fictional character, Tinker Bell. If you actually DID believe that Tinker Bell is real, then, to arrive at that stance, you would have to apply the exact same wilful suspension of disbelief that people use in order to believe in a god or gods. You have no problem (I assume) with people critiquing a person who claims Tinker Bell is real, yet you then pivot to a stance of condemnation and false equivalency when another person uses that exact same logic to critique religion and its often attendant god or gods.

A simpler way to put it: If you understand why you dismiss the possibility (again, assuming you do) that Tinker Bell, the Easter Bunny or other mythical/fictional beings are indeed real, then you will see why non believers dismiss the concepts of a god or gods as well.

They are all human-created inventions that require magical/supernatural thinking (ie the wilful suspension of disbelief) to claim they exist.

A declaration by a non god(s) believing person stating that they refuse to engage in a wilful suspension of disbelief, and then stating why they chose not to, is hardly an attack when it is not made directly personal, but is just merely stated as their stance on the matters at hand.

yardwork

(68,312 posts)
16. Thank you.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 11:37 PM
Jul 2023

I sincerely don't understand why Christians are offended by people expressing opinions different from their own.

I grew up in a rural area in the midwest and remember the literal shaming of anybody who didn't toe the conservative Christian dogmatic line. It is self-centered and entitled thinking.

They have a constitutionally protected right to believe what they wish - and so does everybody else.

nevergiveup

(4,815 posts)
9. I don't believe in any of those things
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 07:08 PM
Jul 2023

but I do believe in the Tooth Fairy. I saw her as a child. It was dark and there was only a shadow but I saw her. This is the first time I have told anyone.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
12. I Believe
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 08:58 PM
Jul 2023

I believe there is something out there bigger than me. It's a big universe, billions of planets, a sky full of stars, something is out there. It could be the God of the Bible or some billions years old race that seeded primordial oceans and we evolved from fish. Who knows.

I do know I'm not arrogant enough to think I know it all and believe everyone else should follow my beliefs. Guess that's why I'm not a member of the Christian Taliban.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
19. It's not the god of the Bible.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 11:54 PM
Jul 2023

That is a fictional character made up by members of one species of primate on one little planet amongst trillions in a 26-billion-year-old universe. The stupid mythologies were dreamed up a few thousand years ago by people who didn’t know the Earth revolves around the sun. That nonsense has zipadeedoodah to do with reality.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
23. Agreed
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:57 AM
Jul 2023

I tend to agree. There was a Star Trek TNG episode where Capt Picards old archeology professor comes aboard. I think it was "The Chase". He was uncovering DNA fragments from worlds all over the galaxy. In the end its revealed an ancient race seeded the oceans with life billions of years ago. I'm more likely to believe that than I am the Bible which is basically "new".

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
25. Right.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:09 AM
Jul 2023

One major problem with the major religions is they were created when there was very little knowledge about our (incredibly insignificant) place in the universe. They are entirely human- and Earth-centric and only concerned with a tiny slice of human existence, as homo sapiens have been around for a couple hundred thousand years or so. And even that is very recent given that other species dominated the planet for hundreds of millions of years before we evolved from small tree-dwelling mammals. The focus on recent humans and this one planet was understandable hundreds/thousands of years ago, but it's rather myopic today.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
26. Contact
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:15 AM
Jul 2023

There is a scene in the movie Contact (with Jodie Foster). They're in the White House and everyone is meeting after they get the signal. There is one character who I swear they modeled after Ralph Reed the Christian fanatic. He says something like "We don't even know if these aliens believe in God". I remember seeing it in the theatre and I swear ALMOST EVERYONE in the theatre laughed out loud. It was so absurd.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
29. Different Guy
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 11:35 AM
Jul 2023

Matthew is the one who ambushed her in the hearing, asking if she believed in God. But there was another guy in the scene I'm thinking of. He actually looked like Ralph Reed.

Just looked it up. It was Rob Lowe! He played Rev Richard Rank of the Conservative Coalition.



NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
31. Even the Names
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 03:20 PM
Jul 2023

Ralph Reed... Richard Rank. Christian Coalition... Conservative Coalition.

It's so obviously a parody.

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,741 posts)
21. Far too many say they believe "just in case there's one hiding out there somewhere"....
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 12:04 AM
Jul 2023

or in other words, covering their ass as insurance (they think).....

For a huge portion, it's just going along with the local crowd and expression of belief often looks good on a resume'...

Another term that's often used is "in thralled"...

thrall
noun

[. . .]

a person who is morally or mentally enslaved by some power, influence, or the like

Example:

The younger they are, the easier to brainwash and keep in thrall by sheer terror.

Source: dictionary.com definitions for “thrall”


KY
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