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LastLiberal in PalmSprings

(13,278 posts)
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 03:43 PM Jul 2023

Donald Trump's strategy is to bet one juror will be 'in his camp': ex-prosecutor

Raw Story (7/6/23):

On MSNBC, former U.S. attorney Joyce Vance was asked if taking the classified documents case to trial is the right move for Trump.

"Again, it's a nuanced question," she answered. "I suppose the question is, what outcome are you seeking? Are you trying to go to prison for as little time as possible given the overwhelming evidence here? And that doesn't seem to be the strategy. We don't really know what's on the former president's mind, but I think it's an earnest guess to say that he hopes that one or more of the jurors will be in his camp and will not vote to convict him."

Vance elaborated, saying, "That's what prosecutors would call some form of jury nullification. Even though the evidence is there for whatever reason one or more jurors don't vote to convict and that seems to be Trump's strategy, with a sort of healthy side dose of delay tactics."

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My guess is that this is why the Slobster is repeating his message over and over again, at rallies and in television interviews. "I have an absolute right to those documents under the Presidential Records Act. I'm under indictment to protect you. No one has ever indicted a former president who is the clear front runner in the 2024 election."

I would call it the Goebbels Defense: "If you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth." He's trying to poison the jury pool. TFG knows it only takes one juror to result in a hung jury. All he has to do is create a "reasonable doubt" in the mind of that one juror. Then Judge Cannon can arguably shut down the case entirely or at the least postpone a re-trial until after the election, which -- given the shenanigans of the last election (culminating in January 6) -- T***p is absolutely certain he will win. Once he's in office he believes he will shut down the federal investigations while claiming to be a victim.

I don't think I've heard a single Repug politician echoing that message.

FWIW, that's what I think will happen.

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Donald Trump's strategy is to bet one juror will be 'in his camp': ex-prosecutor (Original Post) LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2023 OP
He also knows that if Beachnutt Jul 2023 #1
It's worth a try I guess. But he''l have to fool someone on all 3 juries... brush Jul 2023 #2
My experience has been that jurors take their job seriously gratuitous Jul 2023 #3
It could happen but Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #4
Yes... but the judge could affect who becomes a juror. tinrobot Jul 2023 #8
The question is what part of Florida's population supports Trump? Chainfire Jul 2023 #5
The jury still has to hear all the evidence though FakeNoose Jul 2023 #7
If prospective jurors are asked if they heard IQ 45 babbling GreenWave Jul 2023 #6

Beachnutt

(8,873 posts)
1. He also knows that if
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 03:53 PM
Jul 2023

he can drag this out until after the election and a rethug gets in office he and all his ilk will be pardoned.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
2. It's worth a try I guess. But he''l have to fool someone on all 3 juries...
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 03:57 PM
Jul 2023

and that lessens his chances...especially in Georgia and Manhattan...lots of POCs in both places.

And there's the J6 case and maybe one more in NJ where trump may have moved some of the documents.

trump is on shaky ground.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. My experience has been that jurors take their job seriously
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 04:01 PM
Jul 2023

I'm confident the prosecutor will do a good job, and it won't hurt for that person to mention to the jury that there is a BIG difference between spouting off in a Tweet and testifying under oath in a court of law. Presented with what Joyce Vance calls "overwhelming evidence" of the defendant's guilt it will take an extraordinarily committed juror to resist the evidence and the testimony and hang the jury.

Elessar Zappa

(16,381 posts)
4. It could happen but
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 04:04 PM
Jul 2023

I don’t think so. For one thing, the prosecutor will do what he can to prevent any hardcore magas from being seated.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
5. The question is what part of Florida's population supports Trump?
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 05:05 PM
Jul 2023

I think that would take a miracle for jury annulment to be avoided. The problem is that a minority of people are all in for Trump and they would not be the cause of his fall. If he were being tried in my Florida county, I think his chance of having a hung jury would be nearly 100%. The Trumpers would lie through their teeth to get on the jury.

FakeNoose

(39,213 posts)
7. The jury still has to hear all the evidence though
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 06:58 PM
Jul 2023

I believe at least some of their minds can be changed. And I also believe that the US Attorneys will be smart in their choices for the jury members. Fun Fact: I've seen a LOT of Law & Order shows in the last 20+ years.

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