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dalton99a

(90,689 posts)
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:22 AM Jul 2023

Earth entering 'uncharted territory' as heat records quickly shatter

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/07/06/earth-record-heat-climate-extremes
https://archive.ph/890FP

Earth entering ‘uncharted territory’ as heat records quickly shatter
Scientists say to brace for more extreme weather and probably a record-warm 2023 amid unprecedented temperatures
By Scott Dance
July 6, 2023 at 4:00 a.m. EDT

...

New precedents have been set in recent weeks and months, surprising some scientists with their swift evolution: Historically warm oceans, with North Atlantic temperatures already nearing their typical annual peak; unparalleled low sea ice levels around Antarctica, where global warming impacts had, until now, been slower to appear; and the planet experiencing its warmest June ever charted, according to new data.

“We have never seen anything like this before,” said Carlo Buontempo, director of Europe’s Copernicus Climate Change Service. He said any number of charts and graphs on Earth’s climate are showing, quite literally, that “we are in uncharted territory.”

It is no shock that global warming is accelerating — scientists were anticipating that would come with the onset of El Niño, the infamous climate pattern that reemerged last month. It is known for unleashing surges of heat and moisture that trigger extreme floods and storms in some places, and droughts and fires in others.

But the hot conditions are developing too quickly, and across more of the planet, to be explained solely by El Niño. Records are falling around the globe many months ahead of the El Niño’s peak impact, which typically hits in December and sends global temperatures soaring for months to follow.

It’s not just that records are being broken — but the massive margins with which conditions are surpassing previous extremes, scientists note. In parts of the North Atlantic, temperatures are running as high as 5 degrees Celsius (9 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal, the warmest observed there in more than 170 years. The warm waters helped northwestern Europe, including the United Kingdom, clinch its warmest June on record.

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Earth entering 'uncharted territory' as heat records quickly shatter (Original Post) dalton99a Jul 2023 OP
War and forest fires burn a lot of fuel. bucolic_frolic Jul 2023 #1
Greenhouse gases are invisible to the naked eye Kaleva Jul 2023 #2
+1. During the pandemic, carbon dioxide increased at the same rate despite lower emissions dalton99a Jul 2023 #24
Some greenhouse gases can remain in the atmosphere for generations Kaleva Jul 2023 #26
Not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that the heat is temporary and due to burned fuel? femmedem Jul 2023 #7
Something is causing this sudden spike. War and fires make a lot of heat. bucolic_frolic Jul 2023 #17
Ah, thanks. femmedem Jul 2023 #23
bucolic is implying there's a been a giant 'belch' of CO2 and heat from war and rampant fires Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #20
Thanks. n/t femmedem Jul 2023 #22
Many of us DUers will be facing severe hardships Kaleva Jul 2023 #3
If I lived in the southwest I'd be looking to move now. CrispyQ Jul 2023 #8
Fortunately, I live in a region predicted to be a climate change refuge Kaleva Jul 2023 #19
At lower elevations, say Phoenix greater urban complex, water is going to flow uphill to money... hunter Jul 2023 #37
Humanity's end will be more Mad Max than StarTrek. CrispyQ Jul 2023 #4
And yet, people don't seem to be making preparations. Kaleva Jul 2023 #6
Funny. I was just responding to you about the same. CrispyQ Jul 2023 #12
IMHO, denial is part of being human. Plus,people don't like change. Kaleva Jul 2023 #15
+1. Get roasted where you are, or go to Canada and get smoked dalton99a Jul 2023 #9
I always thought greed was the worst of the 7 deadly sins, CrispyQ Jul 2023 #13
+1 dalton99a Jul 2023 #14
Yep. ancianita Jul 2023 #31
It's the only thing that explains the complete lack of action. CrispyQ Jul 2023 #32
Agree. Human inertia at their level will kill humanity more than anything humanity itself tries to ancianita Jul 2023 #34
I still have some hope they'll be shocked into action when Mother Nature rejects their Visa cards... hunter Jul 2023 #38
And next year will break more records. Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #5
Especially since China produces more greenhouse gases then ... Kaleva Jul 2023 #10
Yup. Elessar Zappa Jul 2023 #11
I agree with you that the focus ought to be on adapting Kaleva Jul 2023 #16
Yes. Delphinus Jul 2023 #44
Switching to a plant based diet is within everyone's control milestogo Jul 2023 #18
But to get everyone on the planet to do so is a high hurdle Kaleva Jul 2023 #25
That's just an excuse. milestogo Jul 2023 #28
Let us know when you get that done Kaleva Jul 2023 #29
I haven't eaten meat since 2010. milestogo Jul 2023 #30
I'm not being sbarky Kaleva Jul 2023 #36
it only takes 6000 miles of driving a gas-powered car to birth one new carbon baby GenXer47 Jul 2023 #21
Lol, it's not even close to essentially giving birth Hugh_Lebowski Jul 2023 #27
Monday was the hottest day in 125,000 years, but that record was broken... LudwigPastorius Jul 2023 #33
Where is that coming from? former9thward Jul 2023 #39
Third paragraph of the OP's WashPo article. LudwigPastorius Jul 2023 #40
There is another link within the opening post link: Donkees Jul 2023 #41
If you follow links to links to links you finally get to this footnote. former9thward Jul 2023 #42
"Its (sic) a guess." LudwigPastorius Jul 2023 #43
Go ahead. former9thward Jul 2023 #45
It turns out James Inhofe was wrong Johonny Jul 2023 #35

bucolic_frolic

(52,762 posts)
1. War and forest fires burn a lot of fuel.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:35 AM
Jul 2023

Just like the pandemic cleared the skies for a year or two.

dalton99a

(90,689 posts)
24. +1. During the pandemic, carbon dioxide increased at the same rate despite lower emissions
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:45 AM
Jul 2023
https://magazine.caltech.edu/post/atmospheric-co2-covid-pandemic

A Climate Conundrum: Why Didn’t Atmospheric CO2 Fall During the Pandemic?

...

“During previous socioeconomic disruptions, like the 1973 oil shortage, you could immediately see a change in the growth rate of CO2,” says David Schimel, head of JPL’s carbon group and a co-author of the study. “We all expected to see it this time, too.”

The study also examined atmospheric nitrogen oxide (NOx) levels. In the presence of sunlight, nitrogen oxides can react with other atmospheric compounds to create ozone, a gas that is a danger to human, animal, and plant health. Although the study found that COVID-related drops in nitrogen oxides led to a reduction in ozone in most places around the world, its satellite measurements uncovered a less positive effect of limiting NOx. Nitrogen oxides react to form a short-lived molecule called the hydroxyl radical, which plays an important role in breaking down long-lived gases in the atmosphere. By reducing NOx emissions—as beneficial as that was in cleaning up air pollution—the pandemic also limited the atmosphere’s ability to cleanse itself of another important greenhouse gas: methane.

Molecule for molecule, methane is far more effective than carbon dioxide at trapping heat in the atmosphere. Estimates of how much methane emissions dropped during the pandemic are uncertain, but one study calculated the reduction at 10 percent. However, as with carbon dioxide, the drop in emissions did not decrease the concentration of methane in the atmosphere. Instead, methane grew 0.3 percent faster in the past year than in the previous four—a faster rate than at any other time in the last decade. With less NOx there was less hydroxyl radical to scrub methane away.

Notably, emissions returned to near pre-pandemic levels by the latter part of 2020, despite reduced activity in many sectors of the economy.

“This suggests that reducing activity in these industrial and residential sectors is not practical in the short term” as a means of cutting emissions, the study noted. “Reducing these sectors’ emissions permanently will require their transition to low-carbon-emitting technology.”

Kaleva

(40,009 posts)
26. Some greenhouse gases can remain in the atmosphere for generations
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:50 AM
Jul 2023

A temporary decrease in emissions won't translate to a reduction in the atmosphere as there will still be greenhouse gases added to what's already there .

femmedem

(8,528 posts)
7. Not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that the heat is temporary and due to burned fuel?
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:52 AM
Jul 2023

If you are, I have to disagree. Yes, there was a drop in some particulate matters and nitrogen dioxide during the worst of the pandemic. But this is entirely different: the CO2 causing global warming will take centuries to dissipate. The CO2 released by the massive forest fires will take centuries to dissipate. The methane released by melting permafrost and the underwater blasts of the Nordstrom pipeline will dissipate more quickly, but methane is 80x more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas for the first twenty years after its release.

bucolic_frolic

(52,762 posts)
17. Something is causing this sudden spike. War and fires make a lot of heat.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:29 AM
Jul 2023

Is it a causal relationship? Remains to be seen.

femmedem

(8,528 posts)
23. Ah, thanks.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:40 AM
Jul 2023

I thought you meant that the resulting jump in temperature would be temporary since part of the cause may be temporary.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
20. bucolic is implying there's a been a giant 'belch' of CO2 and heat from war and rampant fires
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:34 AM
Jul 2023

Obviously we all know the trend is upwards, but the SPIKES we're presently seeing may be due in part to relatively recent CO2-dumping events.

Not sure I agree, but pretty sure that's what s/he meant.

This person is well-versed on the subject.

Kaleva

(40,009 posts)
3. Many of us DUers will be facing severe hardships
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:45 AM
Jul 2023

Climate change is happening much faster then earlier predicted.

I'm going to have to pick up the pace with the efforts to prepare to adapt to the brave, new world that's coming.

CrispyQ

(40,318 posts)
8. If I lived in the southwest I'd be looking to move now.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:56 AM
Jul 2023

If I were younger, I'd worry about where I live. Water is going to be a huge issue. It always has been in this area.. We're thinking of fixing up our basement with the idea that summers will be spent there because of heat & possible power outages. The kids I see playing in the neighborhood, 5-10 years old, these kids are going to see things we can barely imagine.

Kaleva

(40,009 posts)
19. Fortunately, I live in a region predicted to be a climate change refuge
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:30 AM
Jul 2023

It would be extremely hard, maybe impossible, to convince my wife and the stepchildren with their kids to relocate.

hunter

(40,058 posts)
37. At lower elevations, say Phoenix greater urban complex, water is going to flow uphill to money...
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 04:11 PM
Jul 2023

... desalinated water from the sea if that must be.

Upstream the Colorado River Basin people may just be shit out of luck.

It'll all depend upon the Anthropocene Great Extinction Event weather.



CrispyQ

(40,318 posts)
4. Humanity's end will be more Mad Max than StarTrek.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:47 AM
Jul 2023

The rich men, who have called the shots for most of our history, still think they deserve to be in charge. And since they got to set up the system, they rigged the rules in their favor & they have no morals or shame or concern for anyone but themselves & money & power. The very worst of humanity has the whole planet in their grip & I fear the public attitude now is, get while the gettin's still good.

People can deny all they want but we all see what's coming.

Kaleva

(40,009 posts)
6. And yet, people don't seem to be making preparations.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:51 AM
Jul 2023

There is no noticeable increase in folks moving out of areas predicted to be hard hit to regions predicted to be more habitable.

CrispyQ

(40,318 posts)
12. Funny. I was just responding to you about the same.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:01 AM
Jul 2023

We are going to see global migration like never before! Billions & billions of people displaced. Maybe if Carl Sagan were alive to say it people would listen? IDK what it's going to take cuz our future is staring us in the face & we're doing nothing.

CrispyQ

(40,318 posts)
13. I always thought greed was the worst of the 7 deadly sins,
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:16 AM
Jul 2023

but it's looking like pride is what will do humanity in. Pride in our superior intelligence. Confidence that our big brains will always find a solution just cuz we've made it this far, LOL, a blip, compared to how long the dinosaurs were here. And they at least didn't destroy themselves.



ancianita

(42,277 posts)
31. Yep.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 01:05 PM
Jul 2023

And the rich men who burned up this ship of a planet think they'll be safe on the jack staff of its bow, but they will go down with the rest of us.

CrispyQ

(40,318 posts)
32. It's the only thing that explains the complete lack of action.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 01:10 PM
Jul 2023

They think their money & power will save them. Fools.

ancianita

(42,277 posts)
34. Agree. Human inertia at their level will kill humanity more than anything humanity itself tries to
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 01:35 PM
Jul 2023

do to mitigate the heating effects of their CO2 emissions profits.

If they were to miraculously stop everything they do today, they'd still have to contend with the inertia of autocratic governments their central bankers.

No amount of the 300 trillion they command might be enough to stop what's coming, but we'll never know because they're not inclined.

If they could directly give their 300 trillion to humanity, could humanity's governments coordinate a planet wide stoppage of CO2 emissions? Only by listening to the right scientists, imo. Even our best, like Biden, can make mistakes about how to coordinate stopping CO2 emissions. If you haven't read this thread, I recommend starting at #6, reading from there, and just looking at the facts, not any of the ad hominem talk.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218065872#post6

hunter

(40,058 posts)
38. I still have some hope they'll be shocked into action when Mother Nature rejects their Visa cards...
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 04:49 PM
Jul 2023

... and forcibly removes them from her restaurant wielding her big aluminum softball bat.

I've witnessed these sorts of things.

Elessar Zappa

(16,374 posts)
5. And next year will break more records.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:51 AM
Jul 2023

And the year after that and the year after that etc. Even if we cut all fossil fuels right now, we’ll still have a lot of problems. That’s not to say we shouldn’t try though. Maybe we can keep it under 3 degrees Celsius if every country gets their shit together and work to contain this disaster.

Kaleva

(40,009 posts)
10. Especially since China produces more greenhouse gases then ...
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 10:59 AM
Jul 2023

all the other industrialized nations combined, including the US. And they are putting more coal fired power plants in operation every year

Elessar Zappa

(16,374 posts)
11. Yup.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:01 AM
Jul 2023

Besides trying to mitigate this disaster, it’ll probably be best if we focus on adaptation to the coming reality.

Delphinus

(12,451 posts)
44. Yes.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 08:14 PM
Jul 2023

We are going to have to live with the consequences and figuring out how would be wise.

milestogo

(21,974 posts)
18. Switching to a plant based diet is within everyone's control
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:30 AM
Jul 2023

And it reduces the negative impact of factory farming on the environment.

Kaleva

(40,009 posts)
25. But to get everyone on the planet to do so is a high hurdle
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:46 AM
Jul 2023

Americans alone doing so won't be effective.

milestogo

(21,974 posts)
30. I haven't eaten meat since 2010.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 12:32 PM
Jul 2023

No suggestion, no action solves everything. The point is to do something instead of doing nothing.

Kaleva

(40,009 posts)
36. I'm not being sbarky
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 03:39 PM
Jul 2023

Kudos to you for making an effort. I just think it's impossible to convince hundreds of millions around the world to follow your example. It would help mitigate climate change but I very much doubt it can be accomplished.

As for me, I'm concentrating on preparing to adapt to what's coming. I spend anywhere from a few minutes thinking about what I need to do to working for hours on my various projects each day.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
21. it only takes 6000 miles of driving a gas-powered car to birth one new carbon baby
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:36 AM
Jul 2023

The Paris Agreement set the global per capita carbon footprint at 2 metric tons of CO2 per person per year, if we are to keep below 1.5 C above pre-industrial levels by 2030.
Every 6000 miles in an average, non-electric vehicle produces that amount.
And that's just an "empty" car - forget about the people inside it and what they are doing.
It's easy to say "the planet's overpopulated" but every time the odometer registers another 6000 miles, you're essentially giving birth.
That's one more baby a young couple can't have.
Think of it this way next time you fill up the tank.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
27. Lol, it's not even close to essentially giving birth
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 11:52 AM
Jul 2023

Where did you read that claptrap?

I mean, when you have a child it's likely going to drive hundreds of thousands of miles in their lives, just for starters. Then there's the fact that's another person who might also have children

There's nothing better a person can do for the climate than having no children.

And it's not even CLOSE, esp. not in the First World.



former9thward

(33,424 posts)
39. Where is that coming from?
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 05:43 PM
Jul 2023

Nothing at your link mentions 125,000 years. It is the hottest since 1979 when they started keeping records.

Donkees

(33,246 posts)
41. There is another link within the opening post link:
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 06:35 PM
Jul 2023

''And then, on Monday, came Earth’s hottest day in at least 125,000 years.''

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/07/05/hottest-day-ever-recorded/


Instrument-based global temperature records go back to the mid-19th century, but for temperatures before that, scientists are dependent on proxy data captured through evidence left in tree rings and ice cores. “These data tell us that it hasn’t been this warm since at least 125,000 years ago, which was the previous interglacial,” Ceppi said, referring to a period of unusual warmth between two ice ages.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
42. If you follow links to links to links you finally get to this footnote.
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 06:45 PM
Jul 2023

A.2.2 Global surface temperature has increased faster since 1970 than in any other 50-year period over at least the last 2000
years (high confidence). Temperatures during the most recent decade (2011–2020) exceed those of the most recent
multi-century warm period, around 6500 years ago13 [0.2°C to 1°C relative to 1850–1900] (medium confidence). Prior
to that, the next most recent warm period was about 125,000 years ago, when the multi-century temperature [0.5°C to
1.5°C relative to 1850–1900] overlaps the observations of the most recent decade (medium confidence).
{2.3, Cross-Chapter Box 2.1, Cross-Section Box TS.1} (Figure SPM.1)

https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_SPM.pdf

This claim is rated "medium confidence" which is the lowest confidence level they have for these. Its a guess.

LudwigPastorius

(13,585 posts)
43. "Its (sic) a guess."
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 07:53 PM
Jul 2023

I'll inform the world's paleoclimatologists that they're just making shit up.

Johonny

(24,860 posts)
35. It turns out James Inhofe was wrong
Thu Jul 6, 2023, 01:41 PM
Jul 2023

Who could have predict snowballs in winter didn't correlate with global climate patterns.

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