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Mr. Sparkle

(3,515 posts)
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 03:40 PM Jun 2023

Elon Musk Microdoses Ketamine for Depression, Takes Full Doses at Parties, According to WSJ

Twitter owner Elon Musk is a regular user of ketamine, an anesthetic originally most regularly used by veterinarians, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal. The WSJ article (headlined “Magic Mushrooms. LSD. Ketamine. The Drugs That Power Silicon Valley.”) covers psychedelic use by several top tech leaders, including Musk, Google co-founder Sergey Brin as someone who “sometimes enjoys magic mushrooms,” and CashApp founder Bob Lee being part of an “underground party scene” where the use of psychedelics was “common” — and ingested ketamine before he was murdered in San Francisco in April.

Psychedelic drug use has evolved into being part of the “corporate culture” of Silicon Valley, according to the WSJ, with top tech executives viewing ketamine, psilocybin (derived from mushrooms), and LSD “as gateways to business breakthroughs.” Regarding Musk, the Tesla and Space X CEO “has told people he microdoses ketamine for depression, and he also takes full doses of ketamine at parties, according to the people who have witnessed his drug use and others who have direct knowledge of it.”

The use of these drugs isn’t always legal — although a wave of funding is flowing into research and lobbying efforts — and many users end up self-diagnosing or relying on dosing advice from other psychedelic advocates who are also not medical professionals, leading to a risk of “slid[ing] into abuse,” Austin, Texas-based addiction specialist Alex Penrod told the WSJ.

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Johnny2X2X

(23,487 posts)
2. Ketamine isn't a psychodelic
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 03:46 PM
Jun 2023

It's a dissociative. While it does have some clinical uses to treat depression, when you party with it, it's just to get f*cked up. Musk is a partier, nothing wrong with that, but I bet he'll try to claim he's on some cutting edge by using K.

markpkessinger

(8,866 posts)
8. Beat me to it!
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 04:28 PM
Jun 2023

I was just about to post the same thing!

Thought I would share what is possibly the most brilliant, hilarious and spot-on description of a Ketamine trip ever written, by James St. James, from his book, "Disco Bloodbath":

Gentle Reader, Galloping alongside this gripping murder mystery, this true murder mystery—is the running commentary of a babbling drug addict—me—and the outpouring of my consequential experiences with the drug Special K. It’s a ghoulish tale, told with brutal candor, and it’s not for the faint of heart or the weak of stomach. But if you’ve paid your money and jumped on board—and you really want to get to know these people I’ve laid in front of you, and understand the choices they made—you’ll need to know something about this drug called K. Otherwise you’ll be lost in sauce, as they say.

So let’s start at the very beginning (a very good place to start . . .) KETAMINE HYDROCHLORIDE is actually: 2—(2—Chlorophenyl 1)—(methylamino)—cyclohexanone hydrochloride M.W.—274.2 C13H16CINO-HCl LD50 (IPR-MUS): 400mg/kg, LD50 (IVN-MUS): 77 mg/kg White solid with a melting point of 266°C. Its water solubility is 20g/100ml. And it’s not flammable. It’s an anesthetic used primarily for veterinary purposes—although there are unconfirmed stories of its use in the fields of Vietnam, when on-the-spot amputations were required.

It blocks nerve paths without depressing respiratory and circulatory functions, and therefore acts as a safe and reliable anesthetic. It’s a dissociative drug, and I’ll get into that later, but—PAY ATTENTION PLEASE—it selectively reduces excitation of central mammalian neurons by N-methyl aspartate. So basically, it fucks you up. It’s hard to explain, but it bends your thoughts into a nonlinear, looping sort of format . . . it pretzels your thoughts into Möbius strips; you see everything inside and out and curling all around itself.

It’s a powder; you put it up your nose. But first, it comes in a liquid form, in a lovely little bottle with a yellow label, and you should struggle to open it for a good sweaty hour. Then you cook it. In the oven.


Now, you might be asking yourself, How long should I cook my K? Experts have been debating this matter for centuries. Some say: Air Dry. Some say: Steam Dry. The Net says: Microwave. I have one friend who insists upon an incubator—although I’m just as mystified by that one as you. Now, I’m not up on your laws of thermodynamics, but I think I have it figured out. I usually set the oven at 250°. Then: Recite the Once more unto the breach, dear friends scene from Henry V. Four minutes of bun-tightening exercises. Knit, knit, purl. Knit, knit, purl. (Work on that afghan for your mother.) Then, I have a little medley of show tunes I’ve cleverly clipped together, to while away the gestation period.
I always start with Rose’s Turn from Gypsy. Then a little Brigadoon, a bit of South Pacific (I recommend Some Enchanted Evening over the rather more obvious I’m Gonna Wash That Man Right Outa My Hair . . .) During the Flower Drum Song interlude, I check the oven and tap one foot impatiently, keeping beat to the horn section that is building up to a pulse-pounding, mind-blowing, show-stopping, no-holds-barred rendition of Bless Your Beautiful Hide from Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. Most likely, it’s ready now. It’s magic time. Scrape the Pyrex, grind it into powder, then . . . up and away! Special K. It’s a clean smelling trip up the nose. You wait twenty seconds. Then, there is the roar of
a jet engine, so you lie back and wait a while longer. Close your eyes and it’s a whole new world. There’s a lot of unfolding.

Everything just slides away, like many curtains opening at once. And your muscles hallucinate—they feel lifted upward, quickly, so your stomach drops. Nothing can prepare you for that up, up, up feeling—when you’re on the ceiling, and the ceiling keeps getting higher. You are borne upon a wave, and pushed upward and forward. And then: eyes—open. But they’ve been open. You’re in the K-hole now. When you focus, you look around the room—but is it the same room?—do you know this room? It may seem ultraclear, or hot and shadowy, or ’50s kitschy . . . and then it changes.

The set changes . . . a quick turn of the floor and . . . There’s a Moroccan influence, or a slick and modern approach, then it blends back into what it is—until it shifts again. K is a displacer—you are outside of your head, and everything, everything, is new. You must look at that couch for the first time—define what it is—make a connection—and that’s hard. For some strange reason, that couch looks like a dancing tree frog. Not literally, like an acid hallucination . . . but subtly, so you can see both, the couch and the tree frog existing at once.

Now if you face the hallucination, and acknowledge it, you can change that frog into, say, a can of corn.
The couch is still there, but now it looks just like a can of corn. It’s the damnedest thing. The room changes, quickly, and . . . where was I?

Eyes closed, because something wondrous is happening. The universe is decoding itself to you, and even though nothing makes sense, it all comes together—and if you try to think about it, it’s gone again and you’re back on the ceiling sitting on your can of corn. Welcome to the land of K.

Celerity

(52,487 posts)
16. The High Wire - The Midnight Bell (Disco Bloodbath Effect)
Mon Aug 14, 2023, 11:45 AM
Aug 2023
https://soundcloud.com/oioiman-sweden/the-midnight-bell-disco-blood

Label:
Grandpa Stan ‎– STAN009CDP
Format: CDr, Single, Promo
Country:
UK
Released:
2009
Genre:
Rock
Style: Electro Pop









markpkessinger

(8,866 posts)
17. Back in the '90s, I did a lot of clubbing here in NY . . .
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 02:34 PM
Aug 2023

. . . Once, when at the club known as The Roxy, I had partied all night with friends, mostly on ecstasy and ketamine (with a little of a few other things thrown in the mix as well). I was feeling, at one point, like I was on the verge of possibly going into a k-hole (which I generally avoided doing, especially in public places). I mentioned to a friend that I needed something to bring me up. My friend retrieved what he thought was coke, but was actually K. "Here," he said, "take this." I gave a big snort, and instantly realized it was K. OOOPS! I don't really remember much until we were all leaving in the morning, well after sunrise. I was coming out of it, and realized I was with my friends, and we were headed towards the exit. I was still nonverbal, though. Then, suddenly, I stopped, and began searching my pockets one by one, until . . . there they were, my sunglasses! . . . and I proceeded to put them on, and then continued walking. I remember one of my friends laughing and saying something to the effect of, "He's completely nonverbal, but he knows he has to put on those sunglasses before going outside!"

Fortunately, my group of friends always took care of one another, especially when one of us had overdone it!

Walleye

(42,768 posts)
3. Come with me leave your yesterday, your yesterday behind
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 03:52 PM
Jun 2023

And take a giant step outside your mind.
https://m.

Hekate

(99,779 posts)
4. Seems to nail the Muskrat for sure: "meaner, stupider, & more certain that they're gods"
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 04:01 PM
Jun 2023
Btw i don’t care that they do, but for those who really abuse these important drugs (and they are possibly life changing for many in clinical settings), it’s made most of them meaner, stupider and more certain that they’re gods. They’re not wiser for sure….


walkingman

(9,946 posts)
5. As someone who did PCP (a similar drug) back in the early 70's I can tell you it will fuck you up.
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 04:03 PM
Jun 2023

Not necessarily in a bad way but it can become very addictive and dangerous. Especially if you snort it versus mixed with weed (angel dust). Easy to do too much. It was quite common in the early 70's and I have to admit was fun but you learn quickly nothing to mess with especially if you have an addictive personality.

I do think that these mind expanding drugs are not as bad as some people think but as they say it is "not for prime time". ☮

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
10. I did acid and mescalin back in he day. Not too much, don't go overboard...
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 04:38 PM
Jun 2023

as a trip can last for hours...mild hallucinations, colors, mind-expanding insights. Worth it.

We used to do a half a tab of blotter acid, of split a tab of mescalin. I knew of one kid who did too much though and lost his mind.

Start slow and see what you can take and still be in control.

keep_left

(3,089 posts)
11. He's lucky to have that Silicon Valley platinum-plated healthcare, because he's going to need it.
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 04:44 PM
Jun 2023

"Special K" is notorious for its rather unpleasant effects on some sensitive parts of the body, particularly when it is used/abused chronically.

"Ketamine-Induced Cystitis: A Comprehensive Review of the Urologic Effects of This Psychoactive Drug"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9476224/

Tree-Hugger

(3,379 posts)
12. Party Monster
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 06:53 PM
Jun 2023

Microdosing for mental health is valid. The other - not so much. Gosh, hope he can afford health care.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
13. One of these days he will take a dose of ketamine as big as his ego and we will all be reminiscing
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 07:41 PM
Jun 2023

about whether we remember old Elon. Drug abuse makes no allowances for billionaires.

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