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riversedge

(78,436 posts)
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 04:43 PM Jun 2023

JUST IN: US judge Aileen Cannon denies Special Counsel request to file 84 potential witnesses in the

I do not see any news articles about this yet --and I am not near a TV.



JUST IN: US judge Aileen Cannon denies Special Counsel request to file 84 potential witnesses in the Trump classified docs case under seal -- says the government does not explain why it is necessary and notes media coalition has moved to have it public.


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JUST IN: US judge Aileen Cannon denies Special Counsel request to file 84 potential witnesses in the (Original Post) riversedge Jun 2023 OP
Looks like she just walked into Jack's trap... Blue Owl Jun 2023 #1
Looks like her too peppertree Jun 2023 #20
PALMER REPORT said the 11th circuit will always side with him. WHY DO THEY SAY THIS. Trueblue1968 Jun 2023 #22
Anyone who trusts Palmer is a fool ExWhoDoesntCare Jun 2023 #29
Pence... ArkansasDemocrat1 Jun 2023 #27
"Demands more explanation from govt of why names must be sealed."............. riversedge Jun 2023 #2
Without presenting a solid reason to seal the witness list, the prosecution wasn't likely Ocelot II Jun 2023 #3
So then Jack Smith's team fuck up? TheRealNorth Jun 2023 #4
I don't think so. My guess is that they were firing a warning shot. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #7
Thanks for these posts. ShazzieB Jun 2023 #12
Thank you. I remember the Smith's Hague case against Kosovar president Thaci, when ancianita Jun 2023 #16
Cannon is no match for Jack Smith malaise Jun 2023 #18
You are right as rain about that. ancianita Jun 2023 #23
No way did Jack Smith fuck up. He's just ahead of them housecat Jun 2023 #14
Palmer report??? WarGamer Jun 2023 #5
Palmer made the comment. He was not the original tweeter riversedge Jun 2023 #8
Start packing your bags, Judge Cannon FakeNoose Jun 2023 #6
Back to Colombia, ideally peppertree Jun 2023 #19
Ah, assassination attempts? Just a wild guess. Joinfortmill Jun 2023 #9
Smith has already filed for a hearing on this and she has accepted I think July 14th. Bev54 Jun 2023 #10
So, this is how it goes. jaxexpat Jun 2023 #21
I think these hearings are expected and should not delay trial at all. Bev54 Jun 2023 #25
Yeah, cause there's no way Trump would sick his minions on witnesses. PurgedVoter Jun 2023 #11
She passed a bar exam? housecat Jun 2023 #13
A good explanation here why this is nothing at this stage... Purrfessor Jun 2023 #15
Cannon is obviously not especially bright. How can she possibly consider releasing the names flashman13 Jun 2023 #17
Intimidation is always an issue, so.... BidenRocks Jun 2023 #24
Wonder who her judge whisperer is... SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2023 #26
So is she denying they be sealed without explanation of why requiring they be SEALED(?) or 2live is 2fly Jun 2023 #28

Trueblue1968

(18,851 posts)
22. PALMER REPORT said the 11th circuit will always side with him. WHY DO THEY SAY THIS.
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 07:06 PM
Jun 2023

They didn't explain and i am not up on all the reviews and theories regarding Jack and the Idiot Judge.

Thanks in advance folks for answering my question.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
29. Anyone who trusts Palmer is a fool
Tue Jun 27, 2023, 01:46 AM
Jun 2023

He's the national enquirer of the left--tons of speculation and rumors, and little to back up any of it.

He is also notorious for never correcting misinformation othat he posts. I've seen posts where his information gets challenged--he does absolutely bugger all to correct the record.

Don't know why so many on the left give that gadfly any credence. He has no particular expertise, credentials or even access. He's simply a blogger with too much time on his hands.

riversedge

(78,436 posts)
2. "Demands more explanation from govt of why names must be sealed.".............
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 04:50 PM
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Judge Cannon DENIES without prejudice govt's motion to require defendants to acknowledge agreement not to speak with a list of 84 witnesses that would be sealed from court. Demands more explanation from govt of why names must be sealed.




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Ocelot II

(127,873 posts)
3. Without presenting a solid reason to seal the witness list, the prosecution wasn't likely
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 05:03 PM
Jun 2023

to win the motion, since there's a strong presumption that such information should not be sealed (and some media outlets also objected) meaning that the prosecution isn't likely to win on appeal. Before the knees start jerking we might ask ourselves how we would react if TFG and not the prosecutor had made a motion to seal evidence. Cannon needs watching but this was not a demonstrably wrong decision in light of the fact that apparently the prosecution didn't offer reasons sufficient to overcome the general practice of not filing witness lists under seal. The likely reason, of course, is TFG's tendency to try to influence or intimidate witnesses. He will now have another to walk into Smith's trap - providing even more evidence of TFG's obstruction.

TheRealNorth

(9,629 posts)
4. So then Jack Smith's team fuck up?
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 05:13 PM
Jun 2023

Or were they concerned about how it would appear if they said they were concerned TFG would sic his cult members on the witness list?

Ocelot II

(127,873 posts)
7. I don't think so. My guess is that they were firing a warning shot.
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 05:21 PM
Jun 2023

They don't have enough specific evidence right now that TFG will try to influence the witnesses on the list; only the fact that he or his minions did some dodgy shit wrt the 1/6 committee witnesses, so they probably knew the motion wouldn't succeed. I'm thinking that Smith filed the motion to let TFG and his lawyers know that they will be paying very, very close attention to what the grand jury witnesses do and say once TFG knows who they are and what they said (and we have to assume he already knows about most of them - as do we), and that if any of those witnesses start trying to back off their grand jury testimony Smith will find out why, and maybe pile on a few more obstruction of justice charges.

ShazzieB

(21,823 posts)
12. Thanks for these posts.
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 06:02 PM
Jun 2023

I feel greatly reassured by your clear explanations.

I know a lot of us have been on edge ever since Cannon was assigned to this case, half expecting her to do something awful at any moment and ready to pounce when/if she does. Thanks for being the voice of reason in this instance.

ancianita

(42,338 posts)
16. Thank you. I remember the Smith's Hague case against Kosovar president Thaci, when
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 06:20 PM
Jun 2023

he did behind-the-scenes work on witness tampering. Forgot the details, but the fact that he dug in to uncover the tampering stood out to me.

peppertree

(22,950 posts)
19. Back to Colombia, ideally
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 06:52 PM
Jun 2023

That's her kind of judiciary: right-wing kangaroo courts constantly holding out for bribes.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
21. So, this is how it goes.
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 06:52 PM
Jun 2023

Delay of trial for a hearing about this issue and the hearing is 3 weeks away. Am I wrong or will this delay the scheduled trial date? If all that is needed is a decision on this matter, why does it take 3 weeks to even get to the venue to make that decision?

Is our justice system going to allow Trump to get re-elected with this kabuki dance? When every opportunity to disrupt the schedule is accepted as legitimate and the system's response is to allow another delay how is the sense of urgency not lost? This thing could easily go into 2025.

What's wrong with scheduling this hearing for tomorrow AM? Why 3/4 of a month? Will a whole new legal team be required to catch up from scratch to settle every dispute between the teams? Is this not foreseeable and thus avoidable?

PurgedVoter

(2,617 posts)
11. Yeah, cause there's no way Trump would sick his minions on witnesses.
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 05:56 PM
Jun 2023

I mean, that's just not how he operates. There is no way he would tweet and mention them by name, call them liars and worse. That's just not how he rolls.

In other words, Cannon is a judge who wants to help a defendant with a known pattern of intimidation, to scare the witnesses. I hope she is disbarred over this one. I wonder how bad her judgment is on all her other trials.

Purrfessor

(1,190 posts)
15. A good explanation here why this is nothing at this stage...
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 06:18 PM
Jun 2023

to be concerned about:


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flashman13

(1,663 posts)
17. Cannon is obviously not especially bright. How can she possibly consider releasing the names
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 06:43 PM
Jun 2023

of the witnesses? Apparently she doesn't know who she is dealing with. The moment those names are released every one of them will be in danger. I think the 11th Circuit will understand that and prevent it from happening. If they 86 her as well, so much the better.

2live is 2fly

(336 posts)
28. So is she denying they be sealed without explanation of why requiring they be SEALED(?) or
Mon Jun 26, 2023, 07:50 PM
Jun 2023

explanation of why QUANTITY(?) 84 (potential) witnesses? Are 84 witnesses excessive in a 38-count, 49-page Federal Indictment of this complexity?

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