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This is what a high school student told the Granbury ISD School Board. Wow. (Original Post) kpete May 2023 OP
Well said. Let's celebrate that student. I'd like to know more about them. yardwork May 2023 #1
Banning books means no chance of getting the book. jimfields33 May 2023 #6
No, that's not what it means. Mariana May 2023 #8
Books are being banned in schools and libraries. yardwork May 2023 #11
title dropping Marthe48 May 2023 #15
Well-educated, progressive parents will ensure that their children have books. yardwork May 2023 #18
I hope that kids keep surprising us Marthe48 May 2023 #26
That isn't the point of a library. edisdead May 2023 #19
Not sure what you mean Marthe48 May 2023 #27
The problem is today's Republicans don't want to be known as the good guys Walleye May 2023 #2
That is such an important point. yardwork May 2023 #12
It makes me sick to see the selfishness surrounding the student loan forgiveness Walleye May 2023 #13
The written words attributed to Jesus are completely ignored. yardwork May 2023 #14
But they're reliably the first to take to the "holier than thou" podium calimary May 2023 #32
There are also many on the right who believe they recieve "new prophecy" about the current state of Axelrods_Typewriter May 2023 #39
I don't know, but even the Old Testament (their preferred source) warns of false prophets. yardwork May 2023 #40
Big, big, big, big KNR. NNadir May 2023 #3
Kick dalton99a May 2023 #4
K & R...nt Wounded Bear May 2023 #5
Granbury ISD is in Texas, southwest of Ft. Worth. Lonestarblue May 2023 #7
Granbury is where Elmer lived.. Beachnutt May 2023 #9
What a perfectly worded statement! DFW May 2023 #10
Man-oh-man did I love that album when I was a kid! calimary May 2023 #22
People who are scared of books are sad people LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #16
The utter shame those ADULT school board members NoMoreRepugs May 2023 #17
wow.....i dont remember being that aware during HS! samnsara May 2023 #20
... Major Nikon May 2023 #21
Kick. n/t Upthevibe May 2023 #23
If you ban books for certain parents' rights, you deny parental rights for those who feel their chil keithbvadu2 May 2023 #24
Wow! Outstanding! Give that kid a scholarship vlyons May 2023 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2023 #28
Nailed it. republianmushroom May 2023 #29
The millions of adult magats might as well had the books banned, because they housecat May 2023 #30
All the books are in a data base. The Jungle 1 May 2023 #31
Here is the video of the Granbury ISD student quoted above Celerity May 2023 #33
Book banning fighter Chrisdutch May 2023 #34
Granbury where? Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #35
It's a complicated way of saying it, but he's not wrong FakeNoose May 2023 #36
K&R Blue Owl May 2023 #37
K&R, uponit7771 May 2023 #38
 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
6. Banning books means no chance of getting the book.
Sat May 27, 2023, 09:14 AM
May 2023

I’m thankful that is not happening.

Mariana

(15,606 posts)
8. No, that's not what it means.
Sat May 27, 2023, 09:29 AM
May 2023

Smoking is banned in airplanes, public buildings, restaurants and so on, even though people can smoke in many other places.

If the school district doesn't allow a particular book in the schools, then the school district has in fact banned that book.

yardwork

(68,323 posts)
11. Books are being banned in schools and libraries.
Sat May 27, 2023, 09:55 AM
May 2023

People discover books by browsing bookshelves. Some of my happiest childhood memories are of "library hour" when, as an elementary school student, we were allowed to browse the school library and check books out. That building had previously housed a high school, and the wise librarians had left a lot of interesting books on the shelves that wouldn't normally have been available to elementary school-aged kids. And that is why, as a fourth grader, I read mind-blowing books by Edgar Allen Poe, Virginia Woolf, and many others.

If schools and libraries remove those books, people won't find them. They won't know they exist. Just because something is available for sale on Amazon doesn't mean people will find it and read it.

Marthe48

(22,087 posts)
15. title dropping
Sat May 27, 2023, 10:13 AM
May 2023

Last edited Sat May 27, 2023, 11:46 AM - Edit history (1)

The school and library might not be allowed to have the book, but people who want their kids to learn will give their kids access and their kids will tell others. With the Internet, maybe banning a traditional print book won't be as successful as it was in the 1930s and earlier.

There are a number of websites that offer free access to literally millions of books

Gutenberg Project
Internet Public Library
Internet Archive
Library of Congress
OPLIN (Ohio Public Library Information Network)
I worked at a public library when the Internet was just starting up. The Ohio library systems linked, so you can log in to your home library and from there, link to other libraries linked in. This is a nationwide, by now, worldwide network of resources.

With a bit of effort, there are a number of ways to access books. If you can't get them in your state, ask friends and relatives to send copies. Start book clubs. Read to your kids.

Ending this, it is ironic that people seeking knowledge will end up hiding in catacombs like the early christians had to.

yardwork

(68,323 posts)
18. Well-educated, progressive parents will ensure that their children have books.
Sat May 27, 2023, 10:28 AM
May 2023

But poor kids, kids being raised by bigoted parents, etc., won't have that opportunity anymore. Sure, some enterprising kids will find a way, but many others won't.

And that's the intention of these book bannings, to ensure that it's difficult to learn something new or be challenged.

Marthe48

(22,087 posts)
26. I hope that kids keep surprising us
Sat May 27, 2023, 11:55 AM
May 2023

And I hope the well-educated, progressive parents create ripple effects and reach as many children as they can, until this current mania is done.

I know that the access to Internet is not available for all homes, and that's a shame. It is easy to forget that not everyone has the world at their fingertips. States make decisions about acceptable use of the Internet in libraries. If there are limits to the banned books,determined people will find a way around the roadblocks.




edisdead

(3,359 posts)
19. That isn't the point of a library.
Sat May 27, 2023, 10:32 AM
May 2023

That one could get a book if someone else gives it to then undermines the point of a library

Marthe48

(22,087 posts)
27. Not sure what you mean
Sat May 27, 2023, 12:08 PM
May 2023

Public libraries were established to have a collection of books available for the public, who might not have been able to afford their own copies. Libraries and their use have evolved from housing collections only certain classes of people could view, to being open to the public, to becoming social and cultural centers, to having Internet access, to whatever the next step will be.

I collected books my whole life, and I have the books my grandmother and parents kept. I was lucky to buy a dozen boxes of books from an old school, and then another large collection at a yard sale. The varied inscriptions tell me so much. Many of the old books are gifts. Some were given as prizes from the teacher for good work. Having books and sharing books was important to the generations before us, who understood that education was key to success.

If we can't afford the books, and the libraries and schools are not allowed to offer it, then the next step is to share copies, give copies, leave copies on a bench and trust fate will get it to a person who needs to read it. Buying and sharing books augments what the libraries and schools ought to be able to do.

Walleye

(42,802 posts)
2. The problem is today's Republicans don't want to be known as the good guys
Sat May 27, 2023, 08:56 AM
May 2023

They want to be known as the mean selfish strong guys. And doing so they come off looking very much like weaklings. Being thought of as the good guy never enters their heads

yardwork

(68,323 posts)
12. That is such an important point.
Sat May 27, 2023, 09:58 AM
May 2023

What we're seeing is a circling of wagons in defense of a mythical white, paternalistic, Christian Nationalist fantasy. There is no longer any pretense that kindness or tolerance are valued traits. It's about who can grab the most.

Sadly, at least half the country seems fine with this.

Walleye

(42,802 posts)
13. It makes me sick to see the selfishness surrounding the student loan forgiveness
Sat May 27, 2023, 10:05 AM
May 2023

They act as if every penny is coming out of their own pocket. It’s Me! Me! me me. I am constantly reminded of the JFK speech. “Ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your country”. And that is the Christian concept when you think about it

yardwork

(68,323 posts)
14. The written words attributed to Jesus are completely ignored.
Sat May 27, 2023, 10:09 AM
May 2023

There's a Mean Jesus that these people worship who hates gay and transgender people, abuses women, pushes the poor and sick aside, tells lies, steals from
people and celebrates how clever he is, and destroys the Earth in the name of immediate gratification.

This is the false god that the Jesus of scriptures warned about.

These people are worshipping Mammon.

calimary

(88,088 posts)
32. But they're reliably the first to take to the "holier than thou" podium
Sat May 27, 2023, 05:53 PM
May 2023

and carry on about how “Christian” they are.

It’s not for me to judge but I’m tempted to point out that they’re the types who Our Lord drove out of the temple, and later showed up to condemn Him and call for His crucifixion.

Fourteen years of Catholic school still pushes me straight over to that opinion.

39. There are also many on the right who believe they recieve "new prophecy" about the current state of
Sun May 28, 2023, 04:20 AM
May 2023

the world. I'm pretty much a lifelong agnostic, but doesn't the bible say that anybody trying to add to it is completely full of BS?

yardwork

(68,323 posts)
40. I don't know, but even the Old Testament (their preferred source) warns of false prophets.
Sun May 28, 2023, 09:27 AM
May 2023

Holding up the bible (sometimes upside down), their behavior closely matches all the things the bible specifically warns readers not to do.

And let's pause to consider how Fox News and the internet would have reacted if a Democratic president held the Bible upside down during a speech. That's got to be some kind of indication of a demon, right?

Lonestarblue

(12,984 posts)
7. Granbury ISD is in Texas, southwest of Ft. Worth.
Sat May 27, 2023, 09:27 AM
May 2023

They made the news a few years ago after an investigation revealed that the school board owned a private plane that at least one member used for personal trips. They sold the plane after the investigation, but buying a plane with taxpayer money seems excessive even for Texas! They supposedly purchased the plane for student flight training, but the assistant superintendent, who convinced the district to buy the plane, used it for frequent travel with his family and the district paid the cost.

DFW

(59,153 posts)
10. What a perfectly worded statement!
Sat May 27, 2023, 09:48 AM
May 2023

The only place I ever visited that confiscated every bit of printed matter at its borders (the former "German Democratic Republic," or East Germany), is indeed not remembered as "the good guys," including just about everyone who remembers having lived there. Obviously, the few surviving members of the Party (SED--Socialist Unity Party of Germany) elite, who mooched off the public till, and awarded themselves privileges that the rest of the people never enjoyed (travel, luxury goods from the West, e.g.), still pine for the old regime. What deposed absolute monarch wouldn't? But deposed absolute monarchs aren't remembered by history as "the good guys," either.

calimary

(88,088 posts)
22. Man-oh-man did I love that album when I was a kid!
Sat May 27, 2023, 11:29 AM
May 2023

I played it til it was sandpaper.

NoMoreRepugs

(11,670 posts)
17. The utter shame those ADULT school board members
Sat May 27, 2023, 10:25 AM
May 2023

SHOULD have felt is going to stick to them the rest of their lives.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
24. If you ban books for certain parents' rights, you deny parental rights for those who feel their chil
Sat May 27, 2023, 11:35 AM
May 2023

If you ban books for certain parents' rights, you deny parental rights for those who feel their children are mature enough to read the material.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

housecat

(3,138 posts)
30. The millions of adult magats might as well had the books banned, because they
Sat May 27, 2023, 02:11 PM
May 2023

sure never read any. For the kids on the left, growing up with books was like playing or eating dinner. Everybody did it, because it was a natural part of growing up and being healthy.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
31. All the books are in a data base.
Sat May 27, 2023, 04:10 PM
May 2023

Why can't parents just flag the books they don't want THEIR child to see?

FakeNoose

(39,003 posts)
36. It's a complicated way of saying it, but he's not wrong
Sat May 27, 2023, 11:13 PM
May 2023

If the school board is actively engaged in banning books from the school libraries, maybe they've already given up on being called the "good guys."

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