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Beachnutt

(8,873 posts)
Wed May 24, 2023, 09:24 AM May 2023

What if Jack Smith reports like Robert Muller did

then what ?
We all thought Muller had the goods on the conman but he turned out to be a chickenshit or bought off or whatever he was.

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Beachnutt

(8,873 posts)
3. So you're sure Jack will report a recommendation for indictment unredacted ?
Wed May 24, 2023, 09:27 AM
May 2023

Were you sure Muller would ?

gab13by13

(30,067 posts)
9. Mueller laid out the evidence to indict Trump,
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:03 AM
May 2023

it was Merrick Garland who chose not to indict Trump. "Individual one" and 10 obstruction of justice crimes.

Do you think that Mueller should have challenged the DOJ memo that a sitting president can't be indicted with the fascist Supreme Court that we now have? If Mueller had indicted Trump we would now have it in stone that a sitting president can't be indicted.

You are wrong about Mueller, he laid out the evidence, it was not redacted.

herding cats

(19,848 posts)
12. The report was released March 22, 2019. Bill Barr was the AG then, not Garland.
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:21 AM
May 2023

Barr never had any intention of indicting which he made perfectly clear in his public statement after it was released.

gab13by13

(30,067 posts)
13. Then why blame Mueller?
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:31 AM
May 2023

Once again, I repeat, Mueller laid out the evidence to indict Donald Trump and the only reason that Mueller did not indict Trump was because of the DOJ memo that a sitting president cannot be indicted. Mueller indicted and got convictions of plenty of Trump's pals while Bill Barr was AG; Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, George Popadopoulas, Michael Flynn, Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, Sam Patten, Richard Pinedo.

Once Trump left office Merrick Garland was free to indict Trump based on the evidence provided by Robert Mueller.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,743 posts)
14. Math has always been the weakest point of that crowd
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:37 AM
May 2023

It's always Garland's fault, don't you know that? That's always the answer, no matter what faulty math is used. Heck, I just read a few days ago here that Garland should have prosecuted Trump 8 years ago!
But what do I know, apparently supporting Garland makes me a MAGAT.
That's what happens when people only get their news from neocon pundits.

FakeNoose

(38,985 posts)
17. Barr had his whitewashed rewrite ready for the press, even before Mueller was done
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:48 AM
May 2023

I'm not suggesting that Mueller colluded, but he sure made it easy for Barr to sweep it all under a rug.



relayerbob

(7,284 posts)
19. Seriously, quit drinking Kool-aid
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:58 AM
May 2023

Take a deep breath, maybe take a walk.

You are way out of line and off base in this entire thread

Walleye

(42,772 posts)
2. Smith is not a republican whose wife's best friend is the wife of Bill Barr
Wed May 24, 2023, 09:26 AM
May 2023

I think that Jack Smith is put in a lot of work on this and he’s not gonna want it to go for naught

Johnny2X2X

(23,491 posts)
4. They have different roles
Wed May 24, 2023, 09:28 AM
May 2023

Mueller wasn't a special prosecutor with all the powers of a regular prosecutor. Smith is, and Smith is investigating someone who isn't the President currently.

viva la

(4,333 posts)
5. Mueller bagged 40 crooks, including Manafort
Wed May 24, 2023, 09:30 AM
May 2023

Didn't get Trump but clearly recommended impeachment and gave lots of evidence.

And he did this while working under Bill Barr, who actively undermined him.

Mad_Machine76

(24,905 posts)
15. And then Trump went and pardoned/commuted
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:38 AM
May 2023

just about everybody he nailed. Mueller did his job, though.

Scrivener7

(57,429 posts)
6. There are a lot of posts on why that won't happen in this thread, but the fact
Wed May 24, 2023, 09:31 AM
May 2023

is, we just don't know.

I don't THINK he'll do that. He doesn't seem the type. But Garland has to approve everything that goes out from Smith's investigation, so who knows?

We can only wait and see.

agingdem

(8,666 posts)
8. I don't see Merrick Garland running interference for Trump
Wed May 24, 2023, 09:53 AM
May 2023

Garland's DOJ is not Bill Barr's DOJ..Barr weaponized the DOJ to protect Trump and punish perceived enemies..that's not Garland or Jack Smith...

gab13by13

(30,067 posts)
10. See the E. Jean Carroll original lawsuit
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:04 AM
May 2023

that Garland was prepared to have DOJ represent Trump in court.

H2O Man

(78,076 posts)
16. This raises the questions
Wed May 24, 2023, 10:42 AM
May 2023

that philosophers and theologians have ponder for thousands of years: "What if my aunt had balls? Would she be my uncle?"

Your questions suggest that you lack even shallow insight on the context of Mr. Mueller's investigation -- or even the spelling of his name -- versus Mr. Smith's investigation. However, to be fair, you did spell "Smith" correctly.

H2O Man

(78,076 posts)
20. Unlikely ......
Wed May 24, 2023, 11:08 AM
May 2023

I'm cranky as hell today. Took a hard fall on Sunday, doctor's for a long appointment. I feel like a rabid dog chasing my tail in a furious slow-motion savage assault.

Barr was enforcing a policy (distinct from law) that a sitting president can't be indicted. Mueller was not going to challenge him, as Barr would have fired him, and hid his findings -- which he had the authority to do. Thus, Mueller made a strong case for impeachment, although in this case, it never came to be.

The defendent is now an ex-president. Although it has never been done before, there is no policy and again, no law, that restrains the DOJ from indicting an ex-president. While it is technically possible for the House to impeach & the Senate to convict the defendent, that obviously is not going to happen.

There are very few here -- or nationally -- who had heard of Jack Smith before he was appointed to his current position. But those of us who were familiar with him knew the A.G. had made a wise choice. Garland didn't draw a name out of a hat. I'm sure you saw reports yesterday that the defendent's legal team requested a meeting with the A.G. to beg him to instruct Smith to lay off the defendent. From this, we can speculate -- with "informed speculation" -- that this was their reaction to a notification from Smith about the defendent's status. And we can be absolutely certain it was not because they fear a mere report.

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