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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEvery politician says that they only want to protect the right of 'law abiding citizens'
to have guns.
Louisville shooter; bought his gun legally.
Tennessee shooter; bought his gun legally.
Uvalde shooter; bought his gun legally.
Over and over again we hear the gun was bought legally.
That means every one of these shooters were 'law abiding citizens'. The 'law abiding citizens' whose right to buy a gun politicians so vociferously defend.
Maybe we should rethink what a 'law abiding citizen is'?

NewHendoLib
(61,353 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)It doesn't mean a tinker's damn.
Walleye
(42,802 posts)The fact that most of these mass shootings are done by white guys, completely over their heads
bluesbassman
(20,334 posts)Problem is that aint working out so well and children are being slaughtered. Proving what absolute bullshit pro-life is.
SYFROYH
(34,212 posts)
We don't have to rethink who is a law-abiding, but we can do better on background checks.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)Tell me how you would improve the BG check system. That's a sincere question.
SYFROYH
(34,212 posts)Data that should be available in NICS isn't always.
We could invade mental health records, but that would be difficult. And there would need to be notification and an opportunity to appeal/rebut claims on records.
It would really take interviews of some type to prevent some of these shooters from accessing guns legally. If course this takes time and money and is burdensome on everyone involved. You could limit the interviews to semiauto rifles with detachable magazine purchases. Again, there would need to be clear rules and opportunity to appeal/rebut denials.
These three things might help.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)Only 40% of agencies report to the NICS because it's voluntary.
How about adding a scan of social media? No invasion of privacy, just the public stuff.
Interviews? Oh hell yes. It's called permit to purchase and a LEO interviews the buyer and rellevent witnesses, ie employers and family members.
Fund it with taxes on guns and ammo. Just like as a voter I'm required to have a picture ID (Texas) which costs money it's constitutional.
For semis as you describe them just add them to the NFA list. Grandfather existing from the tax stamp and BG check but register every one of them.
SYFROYH
(34,212 posts)I dont like the interviewing of family and employers. I know some places do that but its true intrusive for my sensibilities.
Im OK with the buyer being interviewed.
AndyS
(14,559 posts)Well at least you admit that's all gun owners have. Tender feelings.
ProudMNDemocrat
(20,324 posts)In Virginia, is she still a "law abiding citizen"? Her negligence with her gun led to an attempted murder of a teacher. Thank goodness it was she who was charged with negligence in owning a firearm and child endangerment.
Ocelot II
(127,765 posts)And how do we know when some law-abiding gun owner is going to suddenly lose his shit and use his legally-purchased AR-15 to shoot up a school or a bank or a shopping center or a church or a movie theatre or or or...?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,180 posts)I'm thinking of something that goes "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," but can't quite recall where I've seen that phrase.