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AndyS

(14,559 posts)
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 09:52 AM Apr 2023

Every politician says that they only want to protect the right of 'law abiding citizens'

to have guns.

Louisville shooter; bought his gun legally.

Tennessee shooter; bought his gun legally.

Uvalde shooter; bought his gun legally.

Over and over again we hear the gun was bought legally.

That means every one of these shooters were 'law abiding citizens'. The 'law abiding citizens' whose right to buy a gun politicians so vociferously defend.

Maybe we should rethink what a 'law abiding citizen is'?

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Every politician says that they only want to protect the right of 'law abiding citizens' (Original Post) AndyS Apr 2023 OP
just another sad example of how we let the few tell the majority what they must do NewHendoLib Apr 2023 #1
Everybody's Law-Abiding Till They Ain't, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2023 #2
Of course we know by law abiding citizens they mean white guys Walleye Apr 2023 #3
They of course mean the rest of the White, law abiding citizens. bluesbassman Apr 2023 #4
Fire up the pre-cog lab SYFROYH Apr 2023 #5
That could be re-defining 'law abiding'. AndyS Apr 2023 #7
First, improve channelling of info from already exisiting databases. SYFROYH Apr 2023 #10
Yeah, good start. AndyS Apr 2023 #11
I'm ok with a NFA-style system for semiautos with detachable mags. SYFROYH Apr 2023 #12
Sensibilities, really? AndyS Apr 2023 #13
The mother of the 6 year old who shot his teacher.... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2023 #6
They were law-abiding until they weren't. Ocelot II Apr 2023 #8
How about the rights of law-abiding citizens to stay alive? PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2023 #9

Walleye

(42,802 posts)
3. Of course we know by law abiding citizens they mean white guys
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:09 AM
Apr 2023

The fact that most of these mass shootings are done by white guys, completely over their heads

bluesbassman

(20,334 posts)
4. They of course mean the rest of the White, law abiding citizens.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:18 AM
Apr 2023

Problem is that ain’t working out so well and children are being slaughtered. Proving what absolute bullshit “pro-life” is.

SYFROYH

(34,212 posts)
5. Fire up the pre-cog lab
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:20 AM
Apr 2023



We don't have to rethink who is a law-abiding, but we can do better on background checks.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
7. That could be re-defining 'law abiding'.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:32 AM
Apr 2023

Tell me how you would improve the BG check system. That's a sincere question.

SYFROYH

(34,212 posts)
10. First, improve channelling of info from already exisiting databases.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:54 AM
Apr 2023

Data that should be available in NICS isn't always.

We could invade mental health records, but that would be difficult. And there would need to be notification and an opportunity to appeal/rebut claims on records.

It would really take interviews of some type to prevent some of these shooters from accessing guns legally. If course this takes time and money and is burdensome on everyone involved. You could limit the interviews to semiauto rifles with detachable magazine purchases. Again, there would need to be clear rules and opportunity to appeal/rebut denials.

These three things might help.



AndyS

(14,559 posts)
11. Yeah, good start.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 11:07 AM
Apr 2023

Only 40% of agencies report to the NICS because it's voluntary.

How about adding a scan of social media? No invasion of privacy, just the public stuff.

Interviews? Oh hell yes. It's called permit to purchase and a LEO interviews the buyer and rellevent witnesses, ie employers and family members.

Fund it with taxes on guns and ammo. Just like as a voter I'm required to have a picture ID (Texas) which costs money it's constitutional.

For semis as you describe them just add them to the NFA list. Grandfather existing from the tax stamp and BG check but register every one of them.

SYFROYH

(34,212 posts)
12. I'm ok with a NFA-style system for semiautos with detachable mags.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 11:52 AM
Apr 2023

I don’t like the interviewing of family and employers. I know some places do that but it’s true intrusive for my sensibilities.

I’m OK with the buyer being interviewed.

AndyS

(14,559 posts)
13. Sensibilities, really?
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 07:00 PM
Apr 2023

Well at least you admit that's all gun owners have. Tender feelings.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,324 posts)
6. The mother of the 6 year old who shot his teacher....
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:21 AM
Apr 2023

In Virginia, is she still a "law abiding citizen"? Her negligence with her gun led to an attempted murder of a teacher. Thank goodness it was she who was charged with negligence in owning a firearm and child endangerment.

Ocelot II

(127,765 posts)
8. They were law-abiding until they weren't.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:36 AM
Apr 2023

And how do we know when some law-abiding gun owner is going to suddenly lose his shit and use his legally-purchased AR-15 to shoot up a school or a bank or a shopping center or a church or a movie theatre or or or...?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,180 posts)
9. How about the rights of law-abiding citizens to stay alive?
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:42 AM
Apr 2023

I'm thinking of something that goes "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," but can't quite recall where I've seen that phrase.

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