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News Junkie

(312 posts)
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 11:40 AM Mar 2023

Ana Kasparian pushes back against Trans-friendly terminology




"I'm a woman. Please don't ever refer to me as a person with a uterus, birthing person, or person who menstruates. How do people not realize how degrading this is? You can support the transgender community without doing this shit."
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Ana Kasparian pushes back against Trans-friendly terminology (Original Post) News Junkie Mar 2023 OP
I'll copy my reply from the other thread on this LostOne4Ever Mar 2023 #1
This is excellent. swimboy Mar 2023 #6
Refusing to let me self-identify is bollocks. Like hell if I am going to be wilfully reduced Celerity Mar 2023 #10
To refuse to allow an individual trans OR cis-gendered individual right to self-identify is wrong hlthe2b Mar 2023 #2
Exactly Polybius Mar 2023 #3
I don't know the Context swimboy Mar 2023 #5
She is but one woman. The issue extends far beyond her and her individual issue. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #7
+1 Celerity Mar 2023 #11
Agree 👍 Celerity Mar 2023 #9
It's dizzying to feel the need to defend Ana Kasparian... OilemFirchen Mar 2023 #4
But what's the context? Was this on the show? betsuni Mar 2023 #8

LostOne4Ever

(9,719 posts)
1. I'll copy my reply from the other thread on this
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 11:59 AM
Mar 2023

She is being disingenuous
It is not degrading to be a person with a uterus or birthing person. Some of us would give everything we own to be a person with a uterus capable of giving birth.

It in no way denies any women their womanhood. It in NO WAY prevents a woman from identifying as a woman.

It is Inclusive as all women are people, so it includes them as well. To say otherwise is to just ignore that fact.

It also includes trans men who deserve recognition. Further, by not saying women it does not link the concept of pregnancy to womanhood which is then weaponized against trans women. Trans women are Constantly attacked by Gender Critical/ TERFs claiming they are not real women because being able to get pregnant is inherent to real women. Which not only is invalidating to trans women but to cis women unable to get pregnant or born without a uterus.

Ultimately, this entirely a right wing tactic to try and antagonize women against trans people. Don’t fall for it!!!

Also this is a great response:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Cftsc0dLPV0/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=













Celerity

(52,221 posts)
10. Refusing to let me self-identify is bollocks. Like hell if I am going to be wilfully reduced
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 02:19 PM
Mar 2023

to my uterus or my menstrual processes.

No one has that right.

My being, my body, my identity, my choice.

I am a cis woman.

I also am a lesbian, and mixed race black. I can add or not add any of those to my own self-labelling as I wish.

My go-to is usually 'lesbian of colour'.

I refuse to have my own autonomy stripped.

I refuse to allow anyone to wilfully re-label me against my wishes.

Not happening.




hlthe2b

(111,542 posts)
2. To refuse to allow an individual trans OR cis-gendered individual right to self-identify is wrong
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 12:37 PM
Mar 2023

and discriminatory. While we all can agree that trans individuals deserve the right to identify as they please and we must support them in doing so, to see some advocate for denying this-- or any other woman-- the right to do likewise is hard to fathom.

Inclusion is expected. "Pregnant women and other pregnant persons" is inclusive if the subject is pregnant. Respect is individualized and referring to self-identifying cis women as '''generic pregnant persons' is not inclusive, it is exclusive of 99% of those who can and do become pregnant and have continued to identify as a woman. We deserve that respect just as the trans community does as well and needs to be included in such discussions.

Respect goes in both directions. If we advocate (as we should) for the trans community to identify as they wish, to live the lives that they wish, and to get the appropriate health care, then we too must respect self-identified women to do likewise.

I think most of the latter will find it horrifying that, as they acknowledge fully the challenges and rights of the trans community and advocate for THEM, they are at risk of losing the choice to determine their own preferred identity. It is simply wrong.

I don't personally think a lot of Ana Kasparian for reasons unrelated to this issue--and I can't speak to whether or not she has been appropriately respectful of the trans community, so that is a separate discussion open for debate. She does, however, have every right to identify and be called a woman if that is her choice and NO ONE should advocate for taking that right away. No one.

Polybius

(20,926 posts)
3. Exactly
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 12:44 PM
Mar 2023

If we call ourselves a man or a woman that should not ever be canceled. Ana is right.

swimboy

(7,321 posts)
5. I don't know the Context
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 01:02 PM
Mar 2023

But I would be surprised if anyone ‘came at’ a CIS woman who referred to herself as a woman.
There is, however, a distinct and measurable difference between Ana Kasparian saying ’I am a woman’ and Ana Kasparian saying ‘I am a woman’ while slapping a transgender woman across the face with a glove.

Celerity

(52,221 posts)
9. Agree 👍
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 01:58 PM
Mar 2023
To refuse to allow an individual trans OR cis-gendered individual right to self-identify is wrong
and discriminatory.


OilemFirchen

(7,286 posts)
4. It's dizzying to feel the need to defend Ana Kasparian...
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 12:56 PM
Mar 2023

while simultaneously reading an accusation that she's employing right-wing tactics.

That's not to say that it isn't amusing AF, though.

betsuni

(28,388 posts)
8. But what's the context? Was this on the show?
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 01:11 PM
Mar 2023

I still think this must be about the Biden administration, or Democrats, because TYTs are always mad at Democrats.

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