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This why Pence is fighting his subpoena??? (Original Post) KS Toronado Feb 2023 OP
That does not surprise me at all. NH Ethylene Feb 2023 #1
That's about it. kairos12 Feb 2023 #2
He is a co-conspirator. C_U_L8R Feb 2023 #3
And a chickenshit. calimary Feb 2023 #35
If he wasn't thinking about doing what tfg wanted why did he call Maraya1969 Feb 2023 #54
+1 n/t area51 Feb 2023 #57
I think they call that True Blue American Feb 2023 #61
CYB? I even tried to look it up and there are several meanings Maraya1969 Feb 2023 #69
I changed the A:) True Blue American Feb 2023 #77
I still don't get it! CAB BAC ABC?????? Maraya1969 Feb 2023 #78
OK True Blue American Feb 2023 #79
Hell, even Dan Quayle showed integrity that day! calimary Feb 2023 #76
I am not sure I agree with this. I think he is trying to appease the MAGA voters. 33taw Feb 2023 #4
He's already lost them. There's no way any of them will vote for him, ever. Ray Bruns Feb 2023 #10
I agree. He lost them when he presided over the count of the electoral vote. patphil Feb 2023 #14
Probably true, but I don't think we were winning the coup attempt until the National Guard arrived. 33taw Feb 2023 #46
+1, uponit7771 Feb 2023 #74
He forever lost those votes somewhere between "Hang" and "Mike Pence". n/t Whiskeytide Feb 2023 #58
He might really get hanged. GreenWave Feb 2023 #5
Guaranteed he is not hung chicoescuela Feb 2023 #12
LMAO! pandr32 Feb 2023 #17
As much as I loathe Pence, I give him a teeny bit more credit than that. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2023 #6
I don't think this is accurate. Qutzupalotl Feb 2023 #7
Speculative hyperbole, conspiracy theory and 'mind-reading' as far as I can tell. emulatorloo Feb 2023 #23
On top of everything else .... PCIntern Feb 2023 #8
Mike Pence was being interviewed on NBC news last night. Ray Bruns Feb 2023 #9
I'm thinking he's using it as cover to protect himself from the MAGA cult. GoCubsGo Feb 2023 #11
Articulated way better than I did. emulatorloo Feb 2023 #20
Yep. I can see that, easily. calimary Feb 2023 #36
If the mob had succeeded in hanging Pence, agingdem Feb 2023 #38
In the end, I believe he will honor it. GoCubsGo Feb 2023 #42
Four years as Trump's willing lackey, agingdem Feb 2023 #53
yes. barbtries Feb 2023 #13
Anyone with common sense can see that. Emile Feb 2023 #15
This should not be an oh, snap for anyone. It was always this. Mike Pence is about Mike Pence ... KPN Feb 2023 #16
I don't believe this meme. He's fighting it just to stay in Maga voters good graces. emulatorloo Feb 2023 #18
He's A Complete Idiot, Then smb Feb 2023 #25
Yep, you are absolutely right. emulatorloo Feb 2023 #26
Mike Pence is fighting the subpoena for 1 main reason, gab13by13 Feb 2023 #19
If that's the case, maybe he ought to leave politics. He's partly responsible for the rampant allegorical oracle Feb 2023 #34
And he doesn't give one $#@t about the women of this country Hope22 Feb 2023 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Hope22 Feb 2023 #52
Just remember Mike, you go to hell for lying. twodogsbarking Feb 2023 #21
Except as an evangelical, he's confident he has a "get out of Hell free" card. bluesbassman Feb 2023 #50
I was being facetious. I believe in people. twodogsbarking Feb 2023 #63
Bingo. K&R. Nailed it. c-rational Feb 2023 #22
He desperately searched for cover to do the wrong thing to overturn the election dlk Feb 2023 #24
Even called Dan Quayle, who gave him an emphatic no. tanyev Feb 2023 #30
Why didn't Quayle go to the FBI? I think Barr needs to answer what/when questions. mjvpi Feb 2023 #40
ihe surrealist thing about the end of the Trump regime? SomedayKindaLove Feb 2023 #56
Quayle True Blue American Feb 2023 #62
Yep, he's a weasel Bettie Feb 2023 #27
so if he actually testifies and tells the truth, agingdem Feb 2023 #28
A true politicians, Pence, change direction in a heart beat. republianmushroom Feb 2023 #29
Yup Joinfortmill Feb 2023 #31
If Dan Quayle knows it's wrong, get a clue! dchill Feb 2023 #32
Because he is a low-IQ, narcissistic opportunist. nt allegorical oracle Feb 2023 #33
The subpoena should have been addressed to . . . AverageOldGuy Feb 2023 #37
Exactly. Why didn't someone go to the FBI as soon as they heard about the coup plot? mjvpi Feb 2023 #39
Exactly KS Toronado Feb 2023 #51
It is obvious the FBI itself was waiting to see if the coup would succeed Ponietz Feb 2023 #41
Yes something smells. triron Feb 2023 #67
That's exactly what he did..and thinking about it, that's always what he's done! PortTack Feb 2023 #43
He was about to be ousted from his gov-ship of Indiana when he hitched his star to the trump train.. Wounded Bear Feb 2023 #44
"I'm a chiseler, a conservative and a repuglican, in that order" lambchopp59 Feb 2023 #45
Go to the head of the class Schmice3 Feb 2023 #47
Yeah, 100% Chicken Shit.. that draws Cha Feb 2023 #48
Pence is a coward. He may have caved at the last second, AllyCat Feb 2023 #55
Get out of Hell Free stillspkg Feb 2023 #59
A very weak sycophant without a moral rudder bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #60
Mike Pence is a chickenshit weasel. PatrickforB Feb 2023 #64
During an interview Pence said, "I don't want to testify against President Trump." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2023 #65
Is there actual proof of this or is it just a meme? Woodwizard Feb 2023 #66
At this point it's probably speculation by Occupy Democrats KS Toronado Feb 2023 #70
Speculation exactly, just a junk post. Seeing a lot of it lately. Woodwizard Feb 2023 #71
"he had to be aware of Тяцмp's nefarious schemes to stay in power." KS Toronado Feb 2023 #72
That has been a given since before Jan6, the meme is just that a meme, taking up space. Woodwizard Feb 2023 #73
I think Pence just want his purported base to see him as a fighter, and a victim of liberal Martin68 Feb 2023 #68
Because almost no one wants to go to Wahington and appear before the Senate and take questions Polybius Feb 2023 #75

calimary

(88,189 posts)
35. And a chickenshit.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 02:09 PM
Feb 2023

He held off because he thought the fucking Insurrection might actually work.

WEASEL!!!

CHICKENSHIT WEASEL!!!

FUCKING DAMN CHICKENSHIT WEASEL!!!!!

Maraya1969

(23,367 posts)
54. If he wasn't thinking about doing what tfg wanted why did he call
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:06 PM
Feb 2023

up his lawyers and staff to talk about all of it the day before?

From PBS: "Pence spent hours huddling with staff, including his general counsel, Greg Jacob. He studied the Electoral Count Act of 1887, which governs the proceedings, and met with the Senate parliamentarian to understand his role. He also received outside counsel, including from former Vice President Dan Quayle."

Those are not the actions of someone who had already made up his mind. It looks like he was trying to find a way to stop the certification legally but he couldn't because it is not legal or constitutional

calimary

(88,189 posts)
76. Hell, even Dan Quayle showed integrity that day!
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 03:29 PM
Feb 2023

Never thought I’d find myself saying something like that!

33taw

(3,247 posts)
4. I am not sure I agree with this. I think he is trying to appease the MAGA voters.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 12:56 PM
Feb 2023

Pence can’t afford to lose them for any future run for office.

I don’t believe the coup was failing until Pence called in the National Guard.

33taw

(3,247 posts)
46. Probably true, but I don't think we were winning the coup attempt until the National Guard arrived.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 03:12 PM
Feb 2023

Ray Bruns

(5,704 posts)
9. Mike Pence was being interviewed on NBC news last night.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:04 PM
Feb 2023

I couldn’t get hit the last button on my remote fast enough.

GoCubsGo

(34,479 posts)
11. I'm thinking he's using it as cover to protect himself from the MAGA cult.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:10 PM
Feb 2023

These are the same people who tried to kill him, and he can't have himself looking like he wants to help take out Dear Leader. Ultimately, I believe he will give up his subpoena fight, but not without a "They're making me do it" act. He wants Trump gone as much as everyone else, but it's not in his interest to let Trump's fan club know that.

calimary

(88,189 posts)
36. Yep. I can see that, easily.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 02:12 PM
Feb 2023

His main interest was hedging his bets. And covering his anemic beached-whale chickenshit ass.

agingdem

(8,669 posts)
38. If the mob had succeeded in hanging Pence,
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 02:23 PM
Feb 2023

Trump would have declared martial law thereby stopping the transfer of power...a dead Mike Pence was worth more to Trump than a live one...and if Pence had even the hint of a spine, he would honor the subpoena...

GoCubsGo

(34,479 posts)
42. In the end, I believe he will honor it.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 02:55 PM
Feb 2023

I think he just wants the appearance that he's being forced into it. Pence is still worth more to Trump dead now, as he was then, but only because his testimony could help put Trump away. Yes, he absolutely is spineless, in this case it's somewhat understandable. Not that I have any sympathy for him.

agingdem

(8,669 posts)
53. Four years as Trump's willing lackey,
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 06:19 PM
Feb 2023

Pence knew exactly the vicious revenge-fueled hell Trump would rain down on him if he didn't obey Trump's command...when (?) he testifies I suspect DOJ lawyers will concentrate their questions on the weeks leading up to January 6...what did he know and when did he know it...

barbtries

(30,860 posts)
13. yes.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:16 PM
Feb 2023

he likes to portray himself as a man of conviction, but it's all bullshit. he's a man of misogyny, racism, hypocrisy, and greed. you know, a republican.

i hate republicans

KPN

(16,964 posts)
16. This should not be an oh, snap for anyone. It was always this. Mike Pence is about Mike Pence ...
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:22 PM
Feb 2023

and he believes God is on his side. If he genuinely cared, he would already have testified to Congress. May he rot in hell.

emulatorloo

(46,132 posts)
18. I don't believe this meme. He's fighting it just to stay in Maga voters good graces.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:24 PM
Feb 2023

That’s his only concern. When he is forced to testify by courts, then he can claim to the MAGA base he didnt want to.

He already wrote about Trump pressuring him in his book. I think maybe he assumes hard core MAGA doesn’t read books?

I tend not to get my news/opinions from memes. Not a fan of occupydemocrats anyway, but YMMV.

smb

(3,598 posts)
25. He's A Complete Idiot, Then
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:30 PM
Feb 2023

The MAGAtroids still want to hang him for "betraying" Orange Julius Caesar.

gab13by13

(30,173 posts)
19. Mike Pence is fighting the subpoena for 1 main reason,
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:24 PM
Feb 2023

he is afraid for his life and his family's life.

Unless one has been in a position to take on powerful people, one has no idea the pressure involved.

allegorical oracle

(5,858 posts)
34. If that's the case, maybe he ought to leave politics. He's partly responsible for the rampant
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:56 PM
Feb 2023

violence directed at politicians. He's mealy-mouthed and can't even take action unless "mother" tells him he can.

Hope22

(4,233 posts)
49. And he doesn't give one $#@t about the women of this country
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 03:48 PM
Feb 2023

Who will die from lack of safe health care and access to contraceptives.

Response to allegorical oracle (Reply #34)

bluesbassman

(20,338 posts)
50. Except as an evangelical, he's confident he has a "get out of Hell free" card.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:01 PM
Feb 2023

They can engage in any illegal, immoral, egregious activities and behavior, ask for forgiveness and start all over. Perhaps that’s true, and a “just” God allows it. But one has to ask oneself, if the God they claim to follow would actually allow such duplicitous behavior, exactly how does that constitute a “just” God?

dlk

(12,996 posts)
24. He desperately searched for cover to do the wrong thing to overturn the election
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:29 PM
Feb 2023

When he couldn’t find it, Pence did the right thing as a last resort; not exactly a profile in courage.

tanyev

(48,118 posts)
30. Even called Dan Quayle, who gave him an emphatic no.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:48 PM
Feb 2023
“Over and over, Pence asked if there was anything he could do.

“‘Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,’ Quayle told him.

“Pence pressed again.

“‘You don’t know the position I’m in,’ he said, according to the authors.

“‘I do know the position you’re in,’ Quayle responded. ‘I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. That’s all you do. You have no power.’”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politics/dan-quayle-pence-trump-january-6-woodward-costa-book/index.html


Never thought I’d have to give Dan Quayle some props, but here we are.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
62. Quayle
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 07:54 AM
Feb 2023

Could not spell potato but saved Democracy! Classic example of how the media has dumbed us down.

agingdem

(8,669 posts)
28. so if he actually testifies and tells the truth,
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 01:45 PM
Feb 2023

then he can kiss his phony hero status goodbye..if it wasn't for Dan Quayle, Richard Cullen (Pence's outside counsel), and Judge Michael Luttig, Pence would have done Trump's bidding...

AverageOldGuy

(3,083 posts)
37. The subpoena should have been addressed to . . .
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 02:18 PM
Feb 2023

. . . Mother. She's the one in the family with balls.

mjvpi

(1,791 posts)
39. Exactly. Why didn't someone go to the FBI as soon as they heard about the coup plot?
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 02:42 PM
Feb 2023

No body who knew about the plot and said nothing should be a part of our government. There are Senators and Congressmen who this applies to as well. I would like my Senator, Steve Daines, to be asked those same questions. He was all set to challenge the vote until the coup failed.

KS Toronado

(21,621 posts)
51. Exactly
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 05:04 PM
Feb 2023

What was there 139 R Reps & 8 R Senators who knew about attempting to overturn the election? Well that's
the number who voted against certifying the votes, so there was probably some who didn't want to stick
their neck out for a lie. All elected Rs were more than likely aware what Тяцмp was attempting to do, and
just like the Occupy Democrat's Meme states "He didn't call the FBI" neither did any other Rs that I'm aware of.
My Sen. Roger Marshall was one of the 8.

Ponietz

(4,100 posts)
41. It is obvious the FBI itself was waiting to see if the coup would succeed
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 02:53 PM
Feb 2023

I’m just someone 2000 miles away sitting in his living room and watching news reports in the weeks and days leading up to the coup attempt but I know Barney Fife could have done better than the hand-picked Wray. Don’t gaslight me about the FBI. Same guy’s in charge there today.

Wounded Bear

(63,265 posts)
44. He was about to be ousted from his gov-ship of Indiana when he hitched his star to the trump train..
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 03:10 PM
Feb 2023

He's a weasel hanger-on, not a leader.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
45. "I'm a chiseler, a conservative and a repuglican, in that order"
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 03:11 PM
Feb 2023

I think I got the quote right.

AllyCat

(18,288 posts)
55. Pence is a coward. He may have caved at the last second,
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 09:47 PM
Feb 2023

but he did NOT do the right thing for 4+ years, and certainly not as the plan was hatched to squash our country.

F him.

stillspkg

(134 posts)
59. Get out of Hell Free
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 01:24 AM
Feb 2023

For sale on Randy Cassingham’s, thisistrue.com.
Pack of 100 for $10
There must be at least that many Republicans who will jump at this. Pence and others can just be told they might need this since it’s about as valuable as their version of the gospel.

https://www.secure.thisistrue.com/product/goohf-cards/

65. During an interview Pence said, "I don't want to testify against President Trump."
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 11:07 AM
Feb 2023

That's funny. I thought he was working for us. Or U.S.

"Protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic" must mean "Protect and defend Donald Trump at all costs" in his mind.

Woodwizard

(1,222 posts)
66. Is there actual proof of this or is it just a meme?
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 11:13 AM
Feb 2023

Many reasons for Pence to fight the subpoena like appeasing the base for his deluded presidential ambitions, the GOP just wants Jan6 to fade away.

I really hate all these declarations without any backup context, it is just a yelling match confirming feelings. Enough of that on FB.

KS Toronado

(21,621 posts)
70. At this point it's probably speculation by Occupy Democrats
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 12:27 PM
Feb 2023

but common sense tells us that as V.P. he had to be aware of Тяцмp's nefarious schemes to stay in power.

Woodwizard

(1,222 posts)
73. That has been a given since before Jan6, the meme is just that a meme, taking up space.
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 02:34 PM
Feb 2023

My whole point here is DU is just basically turning into a spam site preaching to the choir with non content posts.

Been here since Bush it is going downhill.

Martin68

(26,551 posts)
68. I think Pence just want his purported base to see him as a fighter, and a victim of liberal
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 12:01 PM
Feb 2023

persecution. He is a spineless, wishy-washy Trump ass-kisser who wants to shed the image. Good luck with that!

Polybius

(21,016 posts)
75. Because almost no one wants to go to Wahington and appear before the Senate and take questions
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 03:03 PM
Feb 2023

It's annoying.

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