CNN: Pilots said object shot down interfered with plane's sensors and had no propulsion system

[Polybius]

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[WheelWalker]

1. Well, then.

[haele]

3. Air ships come in all shapes and sizes.

This could be a high altitude jamming balloon shaped to have a more controlled course in the jet stream and possibly cause havoc with radio or GPS signals.

Haele

[certainot]

26. nope - aliens! when they say un-MANNED that could still be aliens right.....?

they could be seeing course changes that don't relate to winds

then again, with solar collectors all sorts of things are possible

[Ray Bruns]

31. I am not saying their aliens, but

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS1010US1010&hl=en-US&sxsrf=AJOqlzVGDX9xCQ3JpUbnG1xB0buv0Kjaaw:1676237540966&q=history+channel+aliens+meme&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmu8C595D9AhX0MlkFHQmEBZkQ0pQJegQIChAB&biw=390&bih=669&dpr=3#imgrc=jokoDgd9JtGGKM

[usaf-vet]

33. If it is aliens I hope it's Klattu and Gort. That will bring everything to a halt....

.... and a shift to undeniable reality.

Google it. Watch the 1951 version.

[WheelWalker]

9. I'm thinking North Korea. China can't be liking this kind of thing... bad for business

[Sneederbunk]

11. Kim sending another love letter to TFG via balloon.

[Irish_Dem]

18. China probably thought they either wouldn't caught or Biden wouldn't go public.

[Disaffected]

2. IOWs, it was probably a balloon

without the propellers and rudder supposedly found on the one shot down off Georgia. Unless China has invented an anti-gravity machine or some such.

Strange that these fighter pilots, supposedly well trained in identification of UFO related phenomena, differed in their descriptions of the device. And, were no photographs taken of the thing??

[Mr.Bill]

5. I'm sure numerous photos were taken.

The question is why these photos aren't being shown to us.

[Disaffected]

14. Who knows why?

And I've heard no official statement that it was a balloon, so WTH is it?? And even pilots are saying "they did not know how it was actually staying in the air cruising at that altitude“. This entire balloon/UFO/spy device/anti-gravity machine is taking on a distinctly weird character. And still no word on what was found in the Atlantic wreckage.

BTW, even the Canadian Defence Minister sez she doesn't know if it was a balloon.

[markodochartaigh]

24. South Carolina was the balloon, Georgia was the Guidestones.

[Irish_Dem]

20. Classified?

[Polybius]

6. Photographs were automatically taken by the jets' cameras

If it's a balloon, we'll see them by the end of the week. It's something that they can't identify, maybe 80 years.

[Irish_Dem]

21. +1

[Irish_Dem]

19. Could be something not seen before, or looks different from different angles.

[Disaffected]

58. Pictures, we need pictures,

and hopefully more than blurry blobs!

[Irish_Dem]

59. Will the pictures stay classified or made public?

[Disaffected]

64. Either or both

are possible IMO. For instance, if the Atlantic balloon is found to be benign, will it be revealed as such or will avoidance of political embarrassment be a factor? It would be easy to hide behind "national security" reasons to avoid disclosure.

[Irish_Dem]

65. I think most of it will be classified.

For a variety of reasons.

[reACTIONary]

44. Pilots are not trained in UFO identification. nt

[Disaffected]

56. Heh, you wouldn't think that

from some of the UFO threads seen here not too long ago.

[Irish_Dem]

63. We don't know the training that might be classified.

UFOs don't necessarily mean ETs.

[Brother Buzz]

4. I'm Not Saying it was Aliens...

[Chellee]

23. I was going to post this if nobody else had.

[markodochartaigh]

27. It makes sense. If there were occupants of the craft and

our government is waiting until the next of kin are notified, and the next of kin are in another galaxy that could explain why the government hasn't released more details.

[Brother Buzz]

35. They informed us it was an Intergalactic Uber

Dear Earthlings,

If you want us to take Marjorie Taylor Greene back, please stop shooting down every intergalactic Uber we send for her.

Thank you,

Sporkfoot Federation
Planet K-47

[reACTIONary]

45. +10 nt

[2naSalit]

50. They did.

[markodochartaigh]

71. LOLOL

[progressoid]

39. I came here for this!

[asiliveandbreathe]

7. AI...reporting....???

[Irish_Dem]

8. What would interfere with aircraft sensors?

[triron]

10. Electromagnetic fields?

[krispos42]

12. Jamming is one possibility

Electronic counter-measures (ECM) is about jamming radars and communications.

We actually have planes that are completely dedicated to this activity. The EA-6B Prowler was one such plane the Navy used, and the Air Force used the EF-111A Raven.

They went with in a strike force and tried to jam the shit out of enemy radars and radios so the enemy was electronically blind and deaf.

Modern ships and planes also have a limited ECM ability built into their structure. This thing might have has some sort of jammer to try to prevent air traffic control radar from picking it up, or at least reduce the range at which the radars would see it.

[Irish_Dem]

13. The very fact of having coms jamming means they were up to no good.

So probably trying to block ATC, not necessarily aircraft.

Makes sense.

[Cheezoholic]

22. The most alarming thing of the last few

is the altitude that's being reported which is under 50k feet. They aren't equipped (that we know of) with ADSB or any other type of identification electronics like most commercial and GA aircraft are required to have by law. Anything operating under 50kft has potential to collide with civilian aircraft if it is unguided and undetected especially in any type of adverse weather. To me that's the biggest danger with these things. A 737 going 600 mph slamming into even just a balloon won't be pretty.

[Irish_Dem]

25. Good point. Also means civilian pilots might have seen some of these things?

[triron]

42. Assuming that the makers think like you.

We know nothing of alien culture.

[Irish_Dem]

54. My daughter says I am not from this planet.

Does that count?

[FoxNewsSucks]

15. see post #4

[Irish_Dem]

17. Ha! Aliens would have much better technology.

[Justice matters.]

37. I saw an object that looked like that:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jtZGKYO7iyI

[Irish_Dem]

52. Wow. Pilots have been reporting these things for decades.

[triron]

40. How do we know the object was brought down.?

Until film is released showing this I reserve judgment.

[Irish_Dem]

53. Yep. We know jack at this point.

[paleotn]

46. There's a world of military platforms that do just that, among other things...

Some of our electronic warfare aircraft ....Aardvarks, Prowlers, Growlers, Wild Weasels. Balloons are for those who lack forward bases and a blue water navy. The anacronym at the bottom of the Wild Weasel patch below reads "You've Got To Be Shitting Me."

[Irish_Dem]

55. +1

[WarGamer]

16. Die Glocke

[Walleye]

28. Maybe they have invented a cloaking device

[Irish_Dem]

66. But their balloons are showing. :(

[DENVERPOPS]

29. You can bet your sweet hippy

That anything that has been said is probably 99% bullcrap, and any REAL pictures will be shown to the public in the year 2525.............

The biggest question, that no one is thinking about asking, is:

Why did we purportedly take the *whatever it is* down by an armed missile???????? Why in the world would we quite literally blow up something we wanted to examine to see what it contained or what it didn't contain????????????? Certainly there is some way they could have brought it down slowly with less damage.......(Keep shooting holes in the balloon canopy until it slowly dropped to the earth? Neither were brought down in inhabited areas)

[reACTIONary]

47. If it was a hazard to air navigation...

... it would be best to shoot it down quickly. If it was not, bringing it down slowly would guarantee that it would become such a hazard and remain so for some time.

[DENVERPOPS]

51. ATC

is use to clearing large areas of any and all air traffic.......just think of all the hundreds of junket joy rides Trump's Air Force I took everywhere visiting his golf courses and Maralago. Or huge areas when storms are present.

Anyway, I didn't mean slowly like days, but maybe a few hours.........Even if it came down fairly hard, it seems that that would be better than blowing it into tiny pieces, landing all over a large area.

[Igel]

67. "Bibby."

Laugh In had "bet your (sweet) bippy."

[Rural_Progressive]

30. This gives me a bit of the creeps

The CCP is under a lot of pressure on a lot of fronts both domestically and internationally. This sudden uptick in events using passive technology has the feel of an exploratory expedition. Like they're looking for something they can exploit.

I'm going on 71 this summer and as long as I can remember the world has been perched on a ledge looking down at the abyss in one way or another. I've marveled that we've managed to avoid falling or being pushed off that ledge for this long.

Hope luck holds for the younger folk coming up behind us oldsters, in the last half century we sure have developed ways to f*ck things up totally for them.

[DENVERPOPS]

32. Great call fellow oldster..........

I keep asking the question: Don't these Republican Politician idiots have children or grandchildren???.......and then I answer the question by thinking: That is the answer, they don't give a tinkers damn about anyone or anything except themselves. Period.

We used to come by that great abyss every once in awhile, now we LIVE on the edge of that abyss........


WTF........WASF

[superpatriotman]

34. The Balloon Scare of '23

How will it end?

[Kennah]

72. I shudder to think

[relayerbob]

36. Let me know when they get up near 99

[colorado_ufo]

38. Well, it sounds like they shot down one of what pilots describe as a "tic-tac."

It doesn't surprise me that the reports vary, as some pilots may want to be direct and upfront about it, and some pilots fear reprisal from superiors and/or other government entities.

Risky, to shoot down one of these, but maybe worth it, if they can get information from it.

[paleotn]

41. Electronic warfare test.

[JCMach1]

57. Or bioweapon

[progressoid]

43. Eye witness accounts are so often wrong.

Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts

IN 1984 KIRK BLOODSWORTH was convicted of the rape and murder of a nine-year-old girl and sentenced to the gas chamber—an outcome that rested largely on the testimony of five eyewitnesses. After Bloodsworth served nine years in prison, DNA testing proved him to be innocent. Such devastating mistakes by eyewitnesses are not rare, according to a report by the Innocence Project, an organization affiliated with the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University that uses DNA testing to exonerate those wrongfully convicted of crimes. Since the 1990s, when DNA testing was first introduced, Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses. How could so many eyewitnesses be wrong?

Eyewitness identification typically involves selecting the alleged perpetrator from a police lineup, but it can also be based on police sketches and other methods. Soon after selecting a suspect, eyewitnesses are asked to make a formal statement confirming the ID and to try to recall any other details about events surrounding the crime. At the trial, which may be years later, eyewitnesses usually testify in court. Because individuals with certain psychological disorders, such as antisocial personality disorder and substance dependence, are at high risk for criminal involvement, they are also at heightened risk for false identifications by eyewitnesses.

Surveys show that most jurors place heavy weight on eyewitness testimony when deciding whether a suspect is guilty. But although eyewitness reports are sometimes accurate, jurors should not accept them uncritically because of the many factors that can bias such reports. For example, jurors tend to give more weight to the testimony of eyewitnesses who report that they are very sure about their identifications even though most studies indicate that highly confident eyewitnesses are generally only slightly more accurate—and sometimes no more so—than those who are less confident. In addition to educating jurors about the uncertainties surrounding eyewitness testimony, adhering to specific rules for the process of identifying suspects can make that testimony more accurate.

Reconstructing Memories
The uncritical acceptance of eyewitness accounts may stem from a popular misconception of how memory works. Many people believe that human memory works like a video recorder: the mind records events and then, on cue, plays back an exact replica of them. On the contrary, psychologists have found that memories are reconstructed rather than played back each time we recall them. The act of remembering, says eminent memory researcher and psychologist Elizabeth F. Loftus of the University of California, Irvine, is “more akin to putting puzzle pieces together than retrieving a video recording.” Even questioning by a lawyer can alter the witness’s testimony because fragments of the memory may unknowingly be combined with information provided by the questioner, leading to inaccurate recall.....

[reACTIONary]

48. Exactly... And especially...

... when the observer is traveling at some Mach number and has a lot of other things to pay attention to.

[paleotn]

49. Bingo.

[Disaffected]

62. Eye witness testimony once thought to be the best forms of evidence

is in fact one of the worst. For a good illustration, look up the beach ball/gorilla experiment and simulated police interviews in which false evidence is subtlety implanted in witnesses' recollection of an accident scene.

[nini]

60. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the magats

They want to disrupt power grids and wouldn’t put it past them wanting to do this too.

But then I come to my senses and remember they’re not that smart and can’t use guns for this.

It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Polybius]

69. Much better chance of even aliens

If MAGA's have anything near that kind of technology, we're in deep deep trouble.

[Irish_Dem]

61. DU has narrowed it down: China, Russia, NK, MAGAs, Aliens, Time Travel.

(I added time travel. What the hell.)

[Lulu KC]

74. LOL

Thanks for giggle. What the hell.

[Xoan]

68. If only they had cameras.

[Polybius]

70. Ha!

You forgot the sarcasm emoji!

[roamer65]

73. I wonder if it was an EMP device.