Just a guess.Trumps recent tirade against Smith may be a sign he knows the hammer may come down soon

[fightforfreedom]

There was a lot of fear and anger in his recent rant against Smith. More than usual. He is scared. Trumps lawyers may have told him he is going to be indicted at some point in the secret document investigation.

The discovery of the Biden documents in no way harmed the Obstruction of a Federal investigation charge against Trump. That charge is a smoking gun case against Trump. He defied a federal grand jury subpoena, hid evidence. The American people know it. That must be prosecuted at some point. Biden has not obstructed Justice in any way. Big difference.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Yes his increasing agitation is telling us that he is getting bad news from someone.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

2. Supposedly Trump has been quaking in fear for two years now.

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When some final report is issued and Trump is never indicted, it will make Fitzmas look like justice served.

[Firestorm49]

11. I don't think he's quaking in fear, I think he gets off on it.

His entire existence is based on keeping his ugly mug in front of everybody. I think there’s much more involved than any of us can dream up, espouse upon or criticize. He’s a moron with no character whatsoever and I’ll be surprised as hell if he’s ever incarcerated.

I’m sick and tired of reading about this crap day after day. Be patient, I’m told day after day. Garland needs to cross his t’s and dotting his I’s. We wait, we speculate, we get more angry by the day. I’m not used to living a life like this and I don’t like it.

To all of you who think that Garland needs more and more and more and more time, I have a thought - we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes. To a degree, this feels like we’re living in an apartment in Moscow. Garland, by appointing another Special Prosecutor to save his personal image from being tarnished is another affront to justice, as has been stated in many DU posts.

GET ON WITH IT, damn it!

[calimary]

30. I'm tired of waiting for justice to corner him at LONG last.

I try to keep my sanity by reminding myself that nothing lasts forever.

I keep adding “…not even for trump.” But I’m wondering if he eventually dies of old age before they finally manage to slap some actual handcuffs on him.

[fightforfreedom]

12. I don't care which investigation indicts Trump first.

Willis has been giving hints she is going to indict. Her decision can come at any time now. The special grand jury was just dismissed.

I am convinced, at some point Trump must be indicted for Obstructing a Federal Grand Jury subpoena, then having a search warrant issued where they discover you were hiding evidence. Every one knows this happened. There is no gray area. How can that not be prosecuted?

It looks like the J6 investigation still has a ways to go.

[Beastly Boy]

15. May I assume that you have access to the final report?

Your categorical prediction of its impending effect leaves no room for doubting your intimate familiarity with its content.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

35. No, I don't have such access.

Keep in mind that although Cyrus Vance said Trump should be continued to be investigated, his successor, Alvin Bragg, declined to continue.

For two years people proclaim Trump will definitely be indicted, as if they had inside knowledge. None of us do. But I think we can extrapolate a lot from what has happened so far with Trump and with earlier investigations into clear wrong-doing by Republicans.

[Beastly Boy]

39. People proclaiming that Trump will be indicted are just as adamantly opinionated as

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people who insist he never will. I have little regard for either group. But claiming one of these speculative statements being false as a basis for claiming the other is true does not make much sense.

We can certainly extrapolate enough from what's been happening so far to keep making equally categorical pronouncements of either kind, but the chances of these pronouncements reflecting real outcomes are slim to none. As you rightfully remarked, none of us have inside knowledge. And knowledge is the first, if not the only ingredient to get us past idle speculations.

[gab13by13]

3. Believe it or not I agree with you,

not sure about the hammer coming down soon but I believe that his goons inside DOJ gave him bad news.

[FakeNoose]

4. OK they're going to indict him for stealing documents. Fine!

How about his high crimes in office, his failed coup attempt, his treason? Let's not forget those!

[sellitman]

10. Love this pic

Stealing to annoy my Facebook friends.

[fightforfreedom]

14. Do we really care what Trump is indicted for first?

The penalty for Obstructing a Federal investigation, a Federal Grand Jury Subpoena is severe.

[Beastly Boy]

19. Let's take it one step at a time.

You seem to agree that they are going to indict him for stealing documents. Good thing or bad?

Let's just stop and dwell on this for a while, since this is the subject of the OP.

Then, let's look at how this outcome affects all the rest of the how abouts you mentioned. Positively or negatively?

And finally, we can address the prospects of the other potential charges. What is your opinion? Will these charges be presented to grand juries? What is your opinion on the outcomes of Trump being charged with the crimes you described? Are they in any way relate to the one you agree will take place?

[FakeNoose]

25. Valid questions here - I believe he's guilty of all these things

And I believe that going after the stolen documents charge first is doing it backwards. Chump committed many crimes before he moved out of the White House. But when he vacated the premises and walked off with the sensitive national secrets, well that was right under our noses.

I'm not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV. So I can only guess that the DoJ wants to prosecute Chump for the stolen documents first because it's the easiest to prove and to get him convicted on. Am I right?

But just because it's the easiest one doesn't mean it should stop there. It's going to be a lot more work to get him on the failed coup attempt, and other crimes. What makes me angry is I fear those things will eventually get swept under the rug. Just like Nixon got his secret pardon from Gerald Ford, and Nixon was already hopping on his helicopter and flying away before we knew what happened. Every Repuke President since Nixon has pushed it a little farther and gotten away with even more.

Doesn't that make you angry? It should.

[Beastly Boy]

36. It doesn't make me angry at all

The scenario you outlined is a guess in response to a guess, and the sequence of events to come is most likely to not resemble any of it. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems you fear that the charges against Trump will end with the stolen documents. There is no indication whatsoever that this would be the case. Even if one takes your assumption at their face value, starting with charges for stealing classified documents is certainly no indication that the process will end with them. Were Trump to be prosecuted for plotting the coup first, it would have been just as illogical to presume that he would not be prosecuted for stolen documents later.

At this point, there is no reason to prefer or fear one sequence of events over another. They are all hypothetical. And there are too many hypotheticals being thrown around at this point to get angry at them all.

[FoxNewsSucks]

38. That's not what should make you angry, nor was it reason for the question.

Reread paragraph 3 above.

Does the clear history and pattern of corrupt republicons getting away with it make you angry? Or do you think it is OK?

[Beastly Boy]

40. At your request, I read Paragraph 3 again. Carefully.

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I still fail to see any evidence of "things" being swept under the rug in the current investigation. Or, consequently, how the current investigation parallels in any way the past events cited in Paragraph 3.

You asked: "Does the clear history and pattern of corrupt republicons getting away with it make you angry?" Yes, it does. But that, notwithstanding your false interpretation of Paragraph 3, was not the question which was asked of me. If you reread Paragraph 3 in its entirety without parsing it into parts you care to address and leaving out the parts you don't, it does not ask me whether "the clear history and pattern of corrupt republicons getting away with it" makes me angry". The paragraph outlines what makes the author of the post angry, namely "fear those things (unaddressed by current investigation -BB) will eventually get swept under the rug". It then cites, without forming a question, the reasons his anger appears justified, and asks me whether the same thing makes me angry as well.

At the risk of repeating myself: No, the fear of things being swept under the rug in the course of multiple ongoing investigations of Trump's criminality doesn't anger me. I consider such fear, given the current state of affairs, irrational.

However, if you still want the answer to YOUR question, "Does the clear history and pattern of corrupt republicons getting away with it make you angry?", the answer is yes, yes it does. And your point is...what exactly?

[wnylib]

27. I don't think that the charge will be

"stolen documents." It will be obstruction of an investigation and lying about hidden documents when the FBI tried to recover them. If he had just admitted that he had them, apologized for a "mistake" and then turned them in, there would probably be no charges.

[GoCubsGo]

22. Ben Meiselas (Meidas Touch brother/lawyer) says that these new threats, alone,

are felony obstruction of justice, and that he should be prosecuted for them:

[fightforfreedom]

24. Thank you for posting this.

[Walleye]

5. I did sense a lot more fear than his usual

But he’s such a coward usually, for one thing, and he always believes with the last person told him, so who knows?

[GreenWave]

6. What he needs is a gag order.

[Timewas]

8. Nah

What he needs is an indictment and a trial. This process of all talk and no action is ridiculous.

[ZonkerHarris]

31. a gag and a straitjacket

[FoxNewsSucks]

7. I'd hope so, but he's had tirades for years,

and it's alway "a sign the end is near".

I'll believe it and celebrate when I see it.

[Beastly Boy]

23. Have you celebrated other significant DOJ victories in the past ?

I am not expressing my doubts, just pleading ignorance to these celebrations taking place. It would be nice if I could establish a credible pattern to your pledge.

[FoxNewsSucks]

37. 4 credible patterns are already established. First, rich white connected people

have a long history of getting away with shit. A lot. Whether it's one, a combination, or all three of those qualifiers, accountability is often nowhere to be found. MF45 didn't just recently start committing crimes yet he has never faced meaningful consequence. In fact, the only real exception to that pattern that comes to mind is Bernie Madoff. And that's only because he stole from other rich people. Had he merely stolen from poor people, workers and everyday investors, he probably could have gotten away with it too.

Second, I've repeatedly stated in cases like prosecuting MF45 and his ilk, I'll believe it when the cell doors slam shut on them. And I damn well will celebrate justice being meted out to them. That has nothing to do with celebrating DoJ victories.

Third, MF45 is always bellowing, blubbering and whining. For years now, every time he was extra-cranky, there are those who race to proclaim THIS IS IT!!!!! TRUMP GOING DOWN!!!!!! HE GOT BAD NEWS!!!!!!! HE WON'T SURVIVE THIS!!!!!!! and then in a day or two, nothing having happened, go on to the next topic seemingly forgetting. Until, of course, the next extra-cranky tirade.

Fourth - every time someone posts here about any of the first three, a predictable few come along insisting that since we have no insider knowledge that we have no right to speculate. Actually, another pattern would be that these scolds seem oblivious to the fact that they ALSO have NO insider knowledge that would support the assumptions to which they insist we conform.

[GoCubsGo]

9. More likely, he's just upset that Biden isn't getting as bloodied by

his documents case than he would like. So, he's flinging more poo at it.

[Pobeka]

13. I was off the grid a few days. When//what about the obstruction charge against Trump?

If you don't mind sharing a link or just give me the executive summary?

Or tell me to use that google thing if it's easy to find .

[fightforfreedom]

16. Trump was issued a Federal Grand Subpoena last May, ordering him to return the documents.

Trump lied, they issued a warrant and discovered documents Trump hid, moved. He committed serious crimes, Obstruction, among other charges and he got caught with the goods in his desk. If I were sitting on a jury, following the evidence, the law, it would take me about a New York minute to vote guilty.

[Pobeka]

17. So, there isn't an actual charge from last May, but you think there should be?

I agree with that BTW.

I also think there is an obstruction charge possible for this "team" from a few weeks ago that did an independent search with no oversight from DOJ, which effectively taints and makes useless anything they claim they found.

[gab13by13]

20. DOJ is trying to subpoena the people who did that search.

Trump still not cooperating. Most likely it was Beavis and Butt head who did the search.

[gab13by13]

18. Yes, the evidence is all there

to indict Trump for at least a couple of crimes for his theft of documents. All that is lacking is pulling the trigger.

[wnylib]

28. Not for theft, but for obstruction of justice

and for lying on depositions that all had been returned when they hadn't been. If he had turned over the missing documents when first contacted about them, that would have been the end of it. The crime is that he obstructed the return of the documents, lied about them, and continued to hide some of them after claiming to have turned in all of them.

MAGAs will be screaming "unfair" and "political persecution" when he is indicted. They will claim partisanship because Biden is not likely to face any charges over the documents found on his property. So it is important that we distinguish between having the documents and obstructing justice about returning them.

[SoCalDavidS]

21. LOL!!

[getagrip_already]

26. He may have just received a target letter.....

He should have received one long ago, but the doj wasn't targeting him.

It would be about the right time frame, but it doesn't mean anything is imminent. There can be a long period between a letter and an indictment; or no indictment at all.

[LiberalFighter]

29. Can we get him more agitated?

[moondust]

32. Orange PooPoo sees the plunger coming.

Closer and closer and closer and closer...

[malaise]

33. Just indict him

And lock him up

[Carlitos Brigante]

34. How is this different from every other time he went after a perceived enemy's

spouse/family? He almost always sounds like a corner rat. Except when he's gloating about getting away with shit.

[Tree Lady]

41. My friend whose son works for

justice dept on Trumps docs said yesterday having a special prosecutor for Joe helps Smith go faster on Trumps case because he doesn't have to think about other one. She thinks Joe will be completely cleared and its better they started early now so he is cleared before campaigning.