What happens if Brazil wants to extradite George Santos?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Please discuss.

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. IOKIYAR

[chicoescuela]

2. If you gotta go, you gotta go

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Statute of limitations might save him.

[LiberalFighter]

8. Do they have statute of limitations in Brazil?

Also, wouldn't statute of limitations be paused if location is unknown?

[Eugene]

20. The court suspended statute of limitations in 2013, when they couldn't find him.

https://kesq.com/news/2023/01/04/brazilian-clerk-allegedly-defrauded-by-george-santos-calls-him-a-professional-liar/

That's not unheard of. In some places (e.g. Massachusetts), the clock stops if the suspect leaves the jurisdiction.

Anyway, Brazil's statute of limitations is up to 20 years for crimes involving imprisonment. This case is only 15 years old.

[Brother Buzz]

4. Are newly minted congress critters issued diplomatic passports?

[Blue Owl]

5. See ya, Santos. And please don't come back.

[republianmushroom]

6. nothing

[Buckeyeblue]

7. Has he even been sworn in yet?

[BumRushDaShow]

9. They were all sworn in about 1:30 am ET this morning.

[Buckeyeblue]

11. Are Democrats going to file a lawsuit over the swearing in of the insurectionists?

That's a 14th amendment violation, I believe.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. Well I expect that provision only applies

if someone is convicted of it. So until DOJ moves up the food chain to nail some of these guys - and it seems those like Perry may be at the top of the list, there's not much that can be done.

[Buckeyeblue]

21. I just read it and it doesn't say anything about conviction

It does use the word participate. But you need a 2/3rds vote to remove. We probably should have forced that vote before the end of the year.

[BumRushDaShow]

22. We never had 2/3rds of a majority in the House

(that would require 290) and without that, you would not be able to expel. What usually happens in the situation where criminal activities have been charged and/or resulted in convictions, the Rep. would resign.

The "participate" part would need to be shown beyond just voting for an "objection" to a state's certification, which was allowable through the law that was JUST changed thanks to including the text of the Electoral Count Reform Act in the last Omnibus Appropriations for FY23.

If they can nail down some of the circumstantial stuff like Boebert's communications of the location of the Speaker, but more so, since DOJ has Scott Perry's phone data, and they can definitively establish his firm involvement (and I think it's a foregone conclusion that he was involved in the planning/participation of the insurrection), that would be one to do right away.

Republican congressman says FBI seized his cell phone

By Sara Murray, Zachary Cohen, Katelyn Polantz and Whitney Wild, CNN
Updated 10:11 PM EDT, Wed August 10, 2022


CNN — Republican Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania said Tuesday that the FBI had seized his cell phone. “This morning, while traveling with my family, 3 FBI agents visited me and seized my cell phone,” he said in part in a statement.

The search is connected to an investigation being conducted in part by the Justice Department inspector general, according to a personal familiar with the matter. While Perry has not said why his phone was seized, the watchdog also is investigating the actions of former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark, and potentially others, as it examines the department’s role in seeking to assist former President Donald Trump to block certification of the 2020 election results.

Spokespeople for the Justice Department and its inspector general both declined to comment.

Perry is closely linked to Clark, who has come under scrutiny by federal investigators for his role in efforts to overturn the 2020 election and had his home searched by law enforcement officials earlier this summer.

(snip)

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/politics/scott-perry-fbi-seize-cellphone/index.html

Apparently they went after Perry in an attempt to get Clark but I expect they may now have some interesting stuff on him. The phone was imaged and then handed back to him. He sued to get his data back, but then 2 months later, abruptly withdrew the suit.

[Buckeyeblue]

24. I agree that we don't have the votes. And even with a conviction I'm not sure we would

I think we should look for ways to make them as uncomfortable as possible.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Well in Santos' case

the state of NY is all over his ass!

I also think that as more info gets reported on from the releases done by the J6 Committee (lots of interview/deposition transcripts and texts, etc), a bunch of them are going to be mentioned in that context, which will help to keep the cloak of criminality over them.

[Genki Hikari]

27. And that very vaguness in the Amendment

About how to enforce that provision of it is why it's a thorny legal issue.

If you try to invoke it without a criminal conviction, this particular USSC will side with an r thug who challenges a removal over it. They will declare that the Amendment doesn't allow that.

To err on the side of caution, getting someone booted via conviction of a felony related to insurrection would be a good idea. Then you can use that to ban the scumbag ever after from holding office.

They may try to hold office and even run for re-election from jail, but neither tends to turn out well in the modern era.

[Polybius]

15. They were sworn in two years ago, so no

Besides, no one has been charged...yet.

[Brother Buzz]

10. Yes, he's officially sworn in

Along with his newest buddy

[Ohio Joe]

12. We have an extradition treaty with Brazil...

So we should send him.

[Hekate]

14. Byeeee

[maxsolomon]

16. Unlikely.

Petty crime, quite a while ago.

Santos will serve this entire term, and, given his district has the "BS detection" abilities of a bag of hammers, probably many more.

WHERE DID THE MONEY COME FROM?

[Genki Hikari]

28. Brazil has a long statute of limitations

For felonies. 15-20 years is what I've seen, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

So don't be so sure that they don't want him back.

He ripped off elderly people, and they are much more respected and protected in Brazil than they are here. If Brazil wants him, they're gonna get him.

[maxsolomon]

30. I won't be displeased.

I'm just cynical about IOKIYAR, and don't think it will amount to much more than Trump's NARA case. AKA nothing.

[IbogaProject]

17. Brazil is looking into it

Their statute of limitations is paused as he didn't stick around after contacted by the police. And it also has to do with do we have an analogous crime and elder abuse is taken seriously here.

[Zambero]

18. A Go-Fund-Me campaign to cover his air fare

Or in this instance, a Go Fund HIM!

[RainCaster]

19. Let's cooperate

Until he has *truthfully*verified that he is a US citizen, we have no reason to keep him here.

[Wounded Bear]

23. Well, bye...

[Stinky The Clown]

26. We pick up a seat

[GoodRaisin]

29. Send him back.

It’s the only right thing to do.