Beware antivaxxers are out in force tonight

[vercetti2021]

They believe the vaccine has everything to do with what happened to Damar Hamlin tonight. These fucks are so goddamn insufferable. I've been vaxxed 5 times and I'm just fine. So has a lot of us. Social media has caused severe brain rot on the weak minded.

[Lunabell]

1. Measles outbreaks are happening too.

Out of 82 cases, 74 were unvaccinated. Stupid people are killing their chikdren. RFK jr should be ashamed of himself.


https://www.13abc.com/2022/12/30/doctors-battle-measles-outbreak-central-ohio-least-80-cases-reported/?outputType=amp

[Captain Zero]

22. Measles can go into Pneumonia too

I had an uncle I never knew. 1925. Before vaccines, got measles and it went into a deep pneumonia. It took him and that was not entirely an uncommon outcome.

[ananda]

50. Also sleeping sickness. My sister had that.

She slept around the house for two weeks.

[brewens]

2. That's why I have no problem contributing to the Herman Cain awards FB page. They would be

partying in the streets if we all started dropping like flies from the vaccine.

[Ocelot II]

3. If the vaccine caused Hamlin to collapse, why aren't all the football players collapsing?

If that's what caused it, football fields all over the country should be covered with unconscious football players. I, too, have been vaxxed five times and I'm fine, and I'll get another one as soon as they'll let me have it. Or maybe I'm OK because you have to be a football player, which I am not, in order for the vaccine to knock you out.

Morons.

[GoCubsGo]

9. No hockey players collapsing, either.

NHLers couldn't cross the border to play in Canada without vaccinations until recently. They're all vaccinated. No unconscious hockey players, either. Five-time vaxxed here, as well. I suppose if I have a guy slam into my chest at breakneck speed, I'll surely collapse, as well. Which would happen regardless of whether or not I had 5 shots, or none.

"Morons" is being extremely generous for this shit-for-brains imbeciles.

[vercetti2021]

13. Also this

I watched this live and boy it was terrifying. He did die on the bench and was resuscitated and he wanted to go back in and play the game. Rich was a warrior

[GoCubsGo]

19. I remember that well.

I didn't see it live, but I remember having the surreal feelings I have now, when I learned about it the next morning. The same thing happened about five years ago to Craig Cunningham, who played for the Coyotes' AHL team. He wound up losing his leg from it.

[AZ8theist]

30. Lifetime Bruins fan here

I loved Rich as a bruin.
However, he had a heart condition that caused his irregular heartbeat. Hamlin was struck in the chest at a very precise moment in his hearts electrical rhythm.

2 different things.

[mucifer]

42. That's the theory. They might find an underlying condition.

[liberalguilt57]

36. I see anti-vaxxers claiming sports figures are dropping dead from the vaccine.

I see anti-vaxxers tonight claiming sports figures ARE dropping dead all over the place from “the jab.”
Of course, I haven’t heard this anywhere else, other than within alt-right Q conspiracy circles. The misinformation they spread is just so dangerous.

[vercetti2021]

40. Yep all I've been seeing as well

But anytime I ask for source of this. I get. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!

[NutmegYankee]

4. Conspiracy theorists suck!

I'm always reminded that they also tend to have unusually high levels of dark triad personality traits.

[JenniferJuniper]

5. The hit to the chest probably caused an arrythmia,

happened to a baseball player when I was in HS. Ball came back and hit him directly in the chest and he immediately fell down and was dead shortly thereafter.

Hopefully they got the defibulator to him in time.

[Ocelot II]

12. I was watching the clip and it does look like he got hit hard on the chest

with the other player's helmet when he tackled him - I hope he'll be OK. But the one thing that didn't cause him to collapse was the covid vaccine.

[iemanja]

41. He's intubated now

but they say his vital signs are normal. I'm not sure how that's possible when one is intubated.

[Maru Kitteh]

6. Ignorant trash. They kill the vulnerable with GLEE and abandon.

Lowest slime on the planet, antivaxxers.

[mahina]

39. I understand the frustration, but they are just people like you and me, except they have been expose

D to a lot of bs.


I realize everybody’s patience has worn thin, but we’re not going to hate our way out of this problem

[ismnotwasm]

43. I don't think it's a matter of hate

They are absolutely entrenched in their belief systems. There is no scientific or even logic to back anti-vaxxers up. They, apparently, want to be different. They want to have ‘special’ knowledge. Not be a sheep. Gleefully point out deaths and disability due to what they have decided is vaccination, with zero regard to the harm that level of misinformation causes.

They are definitely not like me.

The ones I have met actively seek out the most toxic sources possible, if it supports their belief system. If they feel personally validated. They include their children. They will put anyone’s vulnerable family members at risk, for the sake of. what is to them-comforting- delusion

That is not at all how I view the world.

If you mean they suffer from the human condition, as we all do, well sure.

Mostly they are selfish pathologically self-centered assholes, and I avoid them as a matter of principle. They deserve nothing.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

44. Hear! Hear! (nt)

[SlimJimmy]

7. Two shots and a booster, then contracted Covid about five months ago.

Spent three days in the hospital due to Covid induced myocarditis. Please understand that everyone's experience may be different. A blanket statement like yours is not always accurate.

[Ocelot II]

8. The vaccine doesn't necessarily protect everyone from *getting covid.*

The OP is pointing out that anti-vaxxers are claiming that the vaccine caused Hamlin to collapse, not that he got covid, which is a different situation. The point the OP made is that five vaccinations did not cause the OP any harm (nor did my five vaccinations, but I'm aware that I could get covid anyhow so I'm still careful with masks and social distancing).

[pnwmom]

14. If you spent 3 days in the hospital due to Covid-induced myocarditis -- despite the shots--

then without the shots you could have died.

Myocarditis is much more common as a complication of a natural Covid infection than from the vaccine.

IOW, the vaccines protected you from an outcome even worse.

[SlimJimmy]

17. You know what, The doc disagrees with you.

He said the shots could have caused the myocarditis and the Covid exacerbated it. Regardless, I won't be taking another booster.

[pnwmom]

18. What doc? I didn't see any doc disagreeing that the ODDS of a serious myocarditis is higher

with a natural infection than from a vaccine. Yes, there is a small chance of a myocarditis as a result of the vaccine, but a much smaller chance than with a natural infection.

And there's a completely unrelated possibility, too -- that Hamlin's heart reacted to a blow on his chest.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217516919

[stopdiggin]

20. you're doctor is a bleeping hack

and you should immediately start looking around for someone who goes with the science.

Sorry about your experience - but it has absolutely zippidy to do with what happened on the football field tonight. And, if the information your physician relayed to you somehow came across as suggesting that it did ... Then that makes two of you that are way out in the weeds

[Hugh_Lebowski]

45. I don't think the poster talked to his/her doctor tonight regarding football injuries

More likely, they misunderstood something their doctor told them at the time, which was 'it's POSSIBLE' the vaccine could've caused it.

Granted, all of us know it's extremely unlikely, but not impossible, ergo the doctor is right in a sense.

I think the poster took it wrong and/or this doctor is a very poor communicator (or a whack-a-doodle anti-vaxxer, also possible).

[stopdiggin]

48. that's likely the case.

and, you know, I had second thoughts about the tone of my own post (because your perspective is probably what happened there).

But - I'm just so frigging hacked off at the anti-vax crap (you know seatbelts don't save every life in auto accidents either - but that hardly changes the fact that they've saved millions - and exactly the same argument applies to the Covid vaccines). Anyway - I'm afraid the vein throbbing at my forehead temporary clouded my 'benefit of the doubt' settings. My bad.

[jcgoldie]

23. what the fuck are you talking about here?

Get yourself right. This doesnt belong here.

[edhopper]

24. Get a new doctor

Because that is bullshit.
No study shows an increase from the vaccine.

[Wednesdays]

31. Amen.

Anyone posting bullshit antivaxx propaganda here gets reported by me from now on.

[SlimJimmy]

54. How can I be anti-vax when I've had two shots and a booster?

What happened to me was real. Myocarditis is real. You're free to have your opinion, but not your own set of facts.

[SlimJimmy]

52. The cardio team docs said this. I'm sure they're all hacks

Sometimes I just have to shake my head at the responses around here. Anything that goes against the narrative is shot down. I lived it, so I guess I'll stick with my version.

[RandiFan1290]

47. 0/10

Not a good attempt, Jimmy

[SlimJimmy]

51. Not an attempt. But thanks for laughing at my hospitalization.

Do you want to pay my "fictional" bill for me?

[IbogaProject]

28. A mere 3 days in the hospital w severe COVID

Isn't a terrible outcome. The big issue is the low uptake of the vaccines and especially the recent booster. The statistics show a compelling picture if the MRNA vax efficacy and it's relative safety. The origional COVID was a vascular disease I'd bet all the variants will wreck havoc if they slip in through a leaky blood vessel.
Look into your vascular health. There is an scan for calcification in the blood vessels some kind of special x-ray. Vitamin C will strengthen your collagen in your blood vessels. And there is a way to carefully clear out the gunk once the vessels are healed.
Best wishes.
And for everyone the vaccines are for both yourself and the vulnerable among us so you spread less.

[SlimJimmy]

53. I had every test known to man while I was there. I actually didn't feel all

that bad, but the docs kept saying the numbers were really bad. After I was discharged, I went to a local caridiologist who said Covid can and does shoot the numbers all over the place. He also didn't subscribe to the vaccine causation, but said that Covid could have certainly brought on the myocarditis. I had an echo about three weeks ago and everything was back to normal. Not a fun experience at all.

[IbogaProject]

55. Whew

Glad to hear you're better.

[Ms. Toad]

33. There are a grand total of 1,626 cases of myocarditis **reported** following mRNA vaccines

(presumably the kind you had, since you're talking about boosters) - mostly men, median age 21, between the introduction of vaccines and August this year. Out of hundreds of millions of vaccinations given. VAERS (where these reports are collected) is only a collection of reports of things which happened after vaccination - not a statement that the vaccine caused it.

The J&J vaccine is more strongly associated with myocarditis. The incidence is still low - but significant enough to recommend that young men take the mRNA vaccination instead of the J&J vaccine. And the incidence of myocardiditis following COVID is far higher than even the J&J vaccine.

As to your case, it is far more likely that your myocarditits was caused by COVID (which you apparently contracted) than the vaccine. Just like my pancreatitis was caused by COVID, not the vaccine - even though it was 4 weeks after COVID and 6 weeks after my last booster. (VAERS also includes reports of pancreatitis following COVID vaccination.)

Whether you should have another booster is something you and your doctor should decide based on personal risk factors.

But your personal experience does not make the OP's assertion that vaccines had nothing to do with Hamlin's injury today any less accurate, since the likelihood that it had anything to do with vaccination is vanishingly small..

[brooklynite]

10. By "out in force" you mean "online"?

Not sure that’s any different than normal.

[vercetti2021]

11. Since this is a huge deal

They are really out there tonight pushing this shit

[Ilsa]

15. Oh yes, and I suspect not an MD or PhD researcher amongst them.

I'm guessing there's post-grad education present, but only if you lump all of their education together.

[Meowmee]

16. Oy 😖

I hope he will be ok. From what I heard he was hit in the chest. He could also have underlying undiagnosed issues as well. My brother has cardiomyopathy that athletes sometimes die suddenly from when they are younger and many are unaware that they have it.

[Yavin4]

21. Conspiracy Theories sell

That's the main reason why they exist. They make money. Alex Jones is filthy rich.

[Renew Deal]

25. They are a problem that solves itself.

[Riverman100]

26. wtf

How are these assholes so fucking stupid???>

[Ford_Prefect]

27. Social Media is merely the vector of greater and lesser lies, and propaganda

[NutmegYankee]

29. Ron Filipkowski has screen shots for those who haven't seen it.

Link to tweet

These people are monsters.

[Kennah]

32. I had a J&J first shot, Pfizer booster, then a Moderna bivalent. I play for all three teams!

[ARPad95]

34. F'ing idiots every last one of them!

No ability to think logically or critically.

[tenderfoot]

35. Almost every response from right wing notables about this has been nothing less than disgusting

It's like they cannot help themselves.

[mahina]

37. Dang, no kidding, I'm tripping over them.

Note to any lost antivaxxers with a little curiosity: if you want to know about medical research, just type in your Google question and include the search term PubMed.

You will then get peer-reviewed journal articles. It’s not that hard to read. This differs from searches without the term pubmed in that you will not see ads, such as Ivermectin scams for instance.

Usually, there are abstracts at first, some of them require a subscription to a journal, but all of them have a summary abstract and how many times they’ve been cited as well as some other information. The more times they’ve been cited, the more credible they are considered.

Good luck.

[iemanja]

38. Of course, it had nothing to do with a head-on collision with another guy

Fing morons.

Hamlin absorbed a hard hit to his upper body, stood up and then collapsed to the ground, his body limp. Medical personnel rushed to him with extreme urgency and, according to reports, administered CPR on the field before loading him into an ambulance and transporting him to University of Cincinnati Medical Center.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/01/02/bengals-bills-nfl-live-updates/

[DemocraticPatriot]

46. Voting for Trump can cause heart attacks...

TRUTH SPEAKS!


lol

[Pachamama]

49. I have a pre-existing heart condition and have been vaxxed 5 times

No problems and never had Covid

[ProfessorGAC]

56. Ask Them To Explain...

...Chuck Hugges & Flo Hyman.
They both dropped dead during a game, 51 years & 36 years before there was no such thing as a COVID vaccine.
In fact, Hughes was the only NFL player ever to die on the field. We now have around 1,600 vaccinated players and one guy was stricken? That's evidence of something?