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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(129,278 posts)
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 01:50 PM Nov 2022

No, Congress Didn't Permanently End Daylight Saving Time in Early 2022

Claim: A law was passed in March 2022 permanently ending Daylight Saving Time in the United States.

Rating: False

Context: Such a bill was indeed passed by the U.S. Senate but stalled in the House of Representatives, so as of this writing, Daylight Saving Time is still on the books for now.

On Nov. 6, 2022, Daylight Saving Time ended, once again, with clocks being turned back one hour, prompting confusion among some, because U.S. Congress had seemed poised to end the yearly time change earlier in the year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-congress-didn-t-permanently-end-daylight-saving-time-in-early-2022/ar-AA13QueM

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No, Congress Didn't Permanently End Daylight Saving Time in Early 2022 (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2022 OP
I thought they were making daylight savings time permanent? iemanja Nov 2022 #1
Passed the Senate, not on the active calendar in House SCantiGOP Nov 2022 #2
Right, but . . . markpkessinger Nov 2022 #22
I think the Senate bill would make it permanent SCantiGOP Nov 2022 #28
Why was it stalled in the House? Polybius Nov 2022 #3
Because it passed almost by accident in the Senate? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2022 #5
God forbid we ever go into permanent Standard Time Polybius Nov 2022 #6
I would love it! rurallib Nov 2022 #11
Why though? Polybius Nov 2022 #12
yep for one thing rurallib Nov 2022 #14
Fair enough Polybius Nov 2022 #15
Yeah, but you could get a round of golf in before work. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2022 #23
Some of us are old enough to remember when we stayed on Daylight Savings Time in 1974 . . . markpkessinger Nov 2022 #24
I know people confused by this and insisted it had happened. Renew Deal Nov 2022 #4
Heard somewhere, NPR maybe Xavier Breath Nov 2022 #7
Yes, it was NPR. GoCubsGo Nov 2022 #10
I humbly suggest we move the clock ahead 1/2 hour and leave it rurallib Nov 2022 #13
Why are they even making that a question??? efn media LiberalFighter Nov 2022 #8
Arizona is on permanent daylight savings and I love it mike_c Nov 2022 #9
I thought Arizona was on permanent Mountain Standard Time rurallib Nov 2022 #16
Arizona is more in the "standard" time zone than daylight savings muriel_volestrangler Nov 2022 #18
yes, but my point is that it does not change when the time changes... mike_c Nov 2022 #20
So it's on permanent standard time muriel_volestrangler Nov 2022 #21
Yes, but the difference is significant . . . markpkessinger Nov 2022 #25
Yes, but the difference is significant . . . markpkessinger Nov 2022 #26
Back in the 50s here in Iowa each county chose daylight or standard time for the summer rurallib Nov 2022 #17
I much prefer STANDARD time. nattyice Nov 2022 #19
MSN is confused . . . markpkessinger Nov 2022 #27

SCantiGOP

(14,604 posts)
2. Passed the Senate, not on the active calendar in House
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 01:53 PM
Nov 2022

Pelosi said it is not a priority and won't be brought up in the lame duck session. Too many other priorities.

markpkessinger

(8,859 posts)
22. Right, but . . .
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 05:11 PM
Nov 2022

. . . either the bill in question permanently ended Daylight Savings Time, or it made Daylight Savings Time permanent, Which is it? (I believe it was the latter.)

SCantiGOP

(14,604 posts)
28. I think the Senate bill would make it permanent
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 06:30 PM
Nov 2022

but some in the House want it just eliminated, and that is the holdup.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,892 posts)
5. Because it passed almost by accident in the Senate?
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 01:58 PM
Nov 2022

It wasn't seriously scrutinized or debated. It looked like some senatorial assistants saw a chance to get it through without the senators thinking about it. There wasn't a serious look as to whether going on to permanent 'normal' time would make more sense than permanent 'daylight savings' (when the middle of the day is about 1pm, rather than 12).

Polybius

(20,926 posts)
6. God forbid we ever go into permanent Standard Time
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 02:07 PM
Nov 2022

That would be a cataclysmic nightmare for me. 7:30 sundown's in June? Yeah no.

rurallib

(64,197 posts)
14. yep for one thing
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 03:11 PM
Nov 2022

Plus I always feel like time and sun are out of sync with daylight time.

Polybius

(20,926 posts)
15. Fair enough
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 03:13 PM
Nov 2022

I like it getting dark later, and I don't think dark mornings are a bad thing. They are kinda cool.

markpkessinger

(8,859 posts)
24. Some of us are old enough to remember when we stayed on Daylight Savings Time in 1974 . . .
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 05:14 PM
Nov 2022

I was in the 7th grade. That winter, when we arrived at school around 8 a.m., it was still pitch black outside (didn't get light until close to 9!). It was AWFUL!

Xavier Breath

(6,160 posts)
7. Heard somewhere, NPR maybe
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 02:07 PM
Nov 2022

that some medical establishment types agreed with scuttling the time-change concept but felt that keeping permanent standard time was more in line with human circadian rhythms. Have to admit I'd prefer Standard time as well. Whichever is chosen I'm sure we'll hear "Won't someone please think of the children/farmers/roosters?!"

GoCubsGo

(34,405 posts)
10. Yes, it was NPR.
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 02:32 PM
Nov 2022

I just got done watching the video on this on their YouTube. I prefer Standard Time, as well, although, in the end, I'm in the "Pick one and stick with it" camp. The whole "too dark in the morning/evening" thing is kind of moot, because we wind up with periods on either end of the day that are lighter or darker than some would like, regardless of ST/DST, due to the seasons.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
8. Why are they even making that a question??? efn media
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 02:12 PM
Nov 2022

If this had passed it would had been front and center on the news.

mike_c

(36,774 posts)
9. Arizona is on permanent daylight savings and I love it
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 02:27 PM
Nov 2022

Especially since I'm teaching classes online in California. I get an extra hour of sleep in the morning because it's ten o'clock here when my 9:00 AM class begins there.

rurallib

(64,197 posts)
16. I thought Arizona was on permanent Mountain Standard Time
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 03:13 PM
Nov 2022

except for the reservations.

I have a relative in Tucson. Whatever, they don't change time.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,892 posts)
18. Arizona is more in the "standard" time zone than daylight savings
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 03:33 PM
Nov 2022

It's on Mountain Standard Time, which is GMT-7. That is centered on (15 degrees*7)=105 degrees West longitude, which stretches from 97.5W to 112.5W.

https://www.mapsofworld.com/usa/states/arizona/lat-long.html

Arizona is at about 109W at its eastern border, and about -115W at its west. So most of it (including Phoenix) is geographically in the Mountain Standard zone.

mike_c

(36,774 posts)
20. yes, but my point is that it does not change when the time changes...
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 04:21 PM
Nov 2022

...everywhere else. It's currently 12:15 PM in California, 1:15 PM in Arizona, and also 1:15 PM in Colorado. Beginning March 12 it will be 1:15 PM in California (PST daylight savings), 1:15 PM in Arizona (unchanged), and 2:15 in Colorado (MST daylight savings). Another way to think about it is that Arizona is on MST during winter and PST in summer.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,892 posts)
21. So it's on permanent standard time
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 05:09 PM
Nov 2022

which is not what the Senate voted for. Which is quite a good example about how the Senate vote was not properly thought through.

markpkessinger

(8,859 posts)
25. Yes, but the difference is significant . . .
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 05:17 PM
Nov 2022

. . . Staying on standard time is one thing. Staying year round on Daylight saving time -- we tried that in 1974. I was in the 7th grade, and during the winter, it would be pitch black out when I arrived at school at 8 a.m. -- didn't get light out until close to 9 a.m.!

markpkessinger

(8,859 posts)
26. Yes, but the difference is significant . . .
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 05:17 PM
Nov 2022

. . . Staying on standard time is one thing. Staying year round on Daylight saving time -- we tried that in 1974. I was in the 7th grade, and during the winter, it would be pitch black out when I arrived at school at 8 a.m. -- didn't get light out until close to 9 a.m.!

rurallib

(64,197 posts)
17. Back in the 50s here in Iowa each county chose daylight or standard time for the summer
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 03:18 PM
Nov 2022

Time changed from Memorial Day to Labor Day. Since Illinois was fully daylight time the counties on the Mississippi river usually changed. But not all of them. So if you were taking a little trip by the river you might have to change times a couple of times.

markpkessinger

(8,859 posts)
27. MSN is confused . . .
Tue Nov 8, 2022, 05:19 PM
Nov 2022

The bill that passed in the Senate and stalled in the Senate did not "permanently end Daylight Savings Time." Instead, it made Daylight Savings Time permanent year-round! If it ended anything, it ended Standard Time!

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